Signed By Indiana - The Jeremy Lamb Thread

[catch20two]

Meh, Batum averages 4.3 3-point attempts per game to Lamb's 2.6.

In twice as many minutes per game. Batum is kinda gunshy but he's a major tremendous awesome upgrade from what we had at taking 3s.

[yosemiteben]

Can someone explain why Lamb's +/- stats last year were so embarrassingly bad? I know rotation stuff can go into it, but they are terrible. Lance had a better +/- for us than Lamb had for OKC last year.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Meh, Batum averages 4.3 3-point attempts per game to Lamb's 2.6.

And compared to hendo last year?

0.6

Batum literally takes 7x as many threes as Hendo.

[MasterIchiro]

Meh, Batum averages 4.3 3-point attempts per game to Lamb's 2.6.

In twice as many minutes per game. Batum is kinda gunshy but he's a major tremendous awesome upgrade from what we had at taking 3s.

That's not the comp that matters to me. It's batum vs hendo with mkg being the constant. It won't work. Lamb will find his way with batum. There is no shooting comparison between lamb and mkg.

[RollingWave]

My problem with Lamb is that he's been too .... shall we say.... sheepish?

puns aside, that is kinda his problem, disappearing way too much in games and just doesn't try to assert himself much on either ends of the floor.

[BlackOutBuzz]

I feel the need to point out that I loved the Lamb trade. If you told me in 2012 that we'd end up with both MKG and Lamb I'd be ecstatic, they were both in my top 5-7 prospects.

However, he hasn't been a difference maker thus far, I mean his team traded him for a second rounder. He's also not the player Batum is, though that's not really an insult since Batum has been an above average starter for longer than Lamb has been an NBA player.

Hopefully you guys are right though and Lamb kills it. At least he'll be restricted when Batum can just walk.

[Joest2003]

My problem with Lamb is that he's been too .... shall we say.... sheepish?

puns aside, that is kinda his problem, disappearing way too much in games and just doesn't try to assert himself much on either ends of the floor.

Dont let that half baked look fool you that guy is just as athletic and explosive as anyone else in the league not named Russell Westbrook.

[RollingWave]

Dont let that half baked look fool you that guy is just as athletic and explosive as anyone else in the league not named Russell Westbrook.

Oh I have no doubt on his athletic ability, wing players that gets drafted in the first round should almost never have that in question to begin with.

My doubt is him actually being able to consistently use said ability in a game, which we haven't seen really so far in his pro career.

[Joest2003]

Dont let that half baked look fool you that guy is just as athletic and explosive as anyone else in the league not named Russell Westbrook.

Oh I have no doubt on his athletic ability, wing players that gets drafted in the first round should almost never have that in question to begin with.

My doubt is him actually being able to consistently use said ability in a game, which we haven't seen really so far in his pro career.

I thought he did pretty well for the limited experience he had and playing with Westbrook who would NEVER pass him the ball. His defensive numbers are better than Waiters and his current player efficiency rating is right around 15 while Batums is only 13. Leaving OKC where he had the expectations from the Harden trade and the pressure of being on a championship contender in the West should do wonders for him. Essentially the same reason Lin wanted to sign here. No pressure.

[catch20two]

Can someone explain why Lamb's +/- stats last year were so embarrassingly bad? I know rotation stuff can go into it, but they are terrible. Lance had a better +/- for us than Lamb had for OKC last year.

He only plays garbage minutes or when everybody injured. Let him play with Durant and Westbrook and he'll have a ultra +/-. Lol. When he usually come in the game Durant and Westbrook are out.

[RollingWave]

Dont let that half baked look fool you that guy is just as athletic and explosive as anyone else in the league not named Russell Westbrook.

Oh I have no doubt on his athletic ability, wing players that gets drafted in the first round should almost never have that in question to begin with.

My doubt is him actually being able to consistently use said ability in a game, which we haven't seen really so far in his pro career.

I thought he did pretty well for the limited experience he had and playing with Westbrook who would NEVER pass him the ball. His defensive numbers are better than Waiters and his current player efficiency rating is right around 15 while Batums is only 13. Leaving OKC where he had the expectations from the Harden trade and the pressure of being on a championship contender in the West should do wonders for him. Essentially the same reason Lin wanted to sign here. No pressure.

well, being better than Dion Waiter at this point is hardly a comforting thought

but yeah, his PER was fine, it's more of his +/- that scares the crap out of me. then again, that's a fairly common issue for younger player.

But yeah, certainly would like to see him get a real shot.

[catch20two]

well, being better than Dion Waiter at this point is hardly a comforting thought

But that's the argument everyone use against Lamb, that he wasn't in the normal rotation. Waiters got consistent minutes and played worse than Lamb but that didn't make Brooks bench Waiters. The guys that were playing over Lamb weren't playing better.

I'm sure we've all work at a job or two where the boss or manager just had something against you for whatever reason even tho you did the job better than the other guys that he didn't bother. It be like that sometimes. Lamb's PER and per 36 numbers show that he's a decent player that just haven't gotten consistent minutes.

[HornetJail]

Oh I have no doubt on his athletic ability, wing players that gets drafted in the first round should almost never have that in question to begin with.

My doubt is him actually being able to consistently use said ability in a game, which we haven't seen really so far in his pro career.

I thought he did pretty well for the limited experience he had and playing with Westbrook who would NEVER pass him the ball. His defensive numbers are better than Waiters and his current player efficiency rating is right around 15 while Batums is only 13. Leaving OKC where he had the expectations from the Harden trade and the pressure of being on a championship contender in the West should do wonders for him. Essentially the same reason Lin wanted to sign here. No pressure.

well, being better than Dion Waiter at this point is hardly a comforting thought

but yeah, his PER was fine, it's more of his +/- that scares the crap out of me. then again, that's a fairly common issue for younger player.

But yeah, certainly would like to see him get a real shot.

His plus minus would be ****, since he probably played most of his minutes with Reggie Jackson instead of Russell Westbrook.

[yosemiteben]

Can someone explain why Lamb's +/- stats last year were so embarrassingly bad? I know rotation stuff can go into it, but they are terrible. Lance had a better +/- for us than Lamb had for OKC last year.

He only plays garbage minutes or when everybody injured. Let him play with Durant and Westbrook and he'll have a ultra +/-. Lol. When he usually come in the game Durant and Westbrook are out.

But weren't both Durant and Westbrook hurt a lot last year? His +/- was much, much worse this year than the year before, which I would expect to be the opposite if they weren't playing as much. Seems to go counter to your argument.

[catch20two]

Can someone explain why Lamb's +/- stats last year were so embarrassingly bad? I know rotation stuff can go into it, but they are terrible. Lance had a better +/- for us than Lamb had for OKC last year.

He only plays garbage minutes or when everybody injured. Let him play with Durant and Westbrook and he'll have a ultra +/-. Lol. When he usually come in the game Durant and Westbrook are out.

But weren't both Durant and Westbrook hurt a lot last year? His +/- was much, much worse this year than the year before, which I would expect to be the opposite if they weren't playing as much. Seems to go counter to your argument.

It doesn't counter my argument tho. Lamb played almost 1000 minutes less this year than last year. Brooks was a idiot and that's why he got fired despite having prolly the most talented team in the league.

[catch20two]

Lamb didn't play 1 single minute with both Westbrook and Durant on the floor this past season.

Last year he played 161 minutes with them and had a 116 offensive rating and a +9 net rating.

In his rookie year he only played a super small sample size of 10 minutes with them.

Brooks never gave Lamb a chance and those minute distributions should emphasize that since he never was on the floor with the team's best players. Only got garbage minutes or minutes when everybody was injured.

[BlackOutBuzz]

I'm fairly certain BigSlam would have a positive net rating if Durant and Westbrook were on the floor with him.

[mrknowitall215]

I'm fairly certain BigSlam would have a positive net rating if Durant and Westbrook were on the floor with him.

Kendrick Perkins and Caron Butler didn't (2013-14 season)

[catch20two]

Was just tryna make a example that you can't try to use +/- against Lamb when he's usually playing with Reggie Jackson and Steven Adams instead of Durant and Westbrook.

[Mystical Apples]

Lamb had the worst +/- of all OKC guards playing in more than 20 games and averaging more than 10 minutes. . He was 7th out of 7 at minus 1.6. Next worst had a PLUS .6