PC Board OT thread

[E-Balla]

Quick question: Would you guys be happy if you found out your team traded a future first for Ty Lawson. Just settling an argument (I wouldn't want him).

Quite honestly, I think an established borderline All-Star PG like Lawson is a better choice than a first round pick. Even a guy chosen #1 overall may turn out to be a bust. I'd rather have Lawson. He's easily a top 15 PG, quite possibly top 10.

No. I'd want a first back and I'd be happy.

Well, you guys have Westbrook. . Almost everyone is a clear downgrade compared to him.

Well I mean you aren't just getting Ty Lawson the top 15 PG but Ty Lawson the immature, questionable decision making on and off the court, DUI magnet.

[bondom34]

Quick question: Would you guys be happy if you found out your team traded a future first for Ty Lawson. Just settling an argument (I wouldn't want him).

Quite honestly, I think an established borderline All-Star PG like Lawson is a better choice than a first round pick. Even a guy chosen #1 overall may turn out to be a bust. I'd rather have Lawson. He's easily a top 15 PG, quite possibly top 10.

No. I'd want a first back and I'd be happy.

Well, you guys have Westbrook. . Almost everyone is a clear downgrade compared to him.

Nope, pretty much in a vacuum. The only idea I've heard I kind of like is the Cavs because I think Lebron and co could get him to be semi-OK. Other than that I wouldn't touch him.

[Quotatious]

Well I mean you aren't just getting Ty Lawson the top 15 PG but Ty Lawson the immature, questionable decision making on and off the court, DUI magnet.

To be honest with you, I think those off-court issues are less of a problem than being unproven on the court. Persoanlly, as a GM, I would always make decisions based on basketball abilities rather than personality concerns, first and foremost.

Nope, pretty much in a vacuum. The only idea I've heard I kind of like is the Cavs because I think Lebron and co could get him to be semi-OK. Other than that I wouldn't touch him.

Well, Cavs have Kyrie. Honestly I wonder how well he would do as a replacement for Parker in San Antonio. If Pop and Duncan wouldn't be able to rein him in, nobody would. Probably a crazy idea, but Parker seems like he's really slowing down. He was never a reliable postseason performer, but now it seems much worse than usual. He was historically bad last season.

[bondom34]

Well I mean you aren't just getting Ty Lawson the top 15 PG but Ty Lawson the immature, questionable decision making on and off the court, DUI magnet.

To be honest with you, I think those off-court issues are less of a problem than being unproven on the court. Persoanlly, as a GM, I would always make decisions based on basketball abilities rather than personality concerns, first and foremost.

Nope, pretty much in a vacuum. The only idea I've heard I kind of like is the Cavs because I think Lebron and co could get him to be semi-OK. Other than that I wouldn't touch him.

Well, Cavs have Kyrie. Honestly I wonder how well he would do as a replacement for Parker in San Antonio. If Pop and Duncan wouldn't be able to rein him in, nobody would. Probably a crazy idea, but Parker seems like he's really slowing down. He was never a reliable postseason performer, but now it seems much worse than usual. He was historically bad last season.

I like that idea too but I think hes got too many flags even for them. 3 DUIs, the thing after the draft, a down season, a few years left on his deal....I don't see anyone touching him.


If you'd like, we'd welcome this on the trade board . There's a thread there and most people wouldn't offer just expirings for him.

[E-Balla]

Well I mean you aren't just getting Ty Lawson the top 15 PG but Ty Lawson the immature, questionable decision making on and off the court, DUI magnet.

To be honest with you, I think those off-court issues are less of a problem than being unproven on the court. Persoanlly, as a GM, I would always make decisions based on basketball abilities rather than personality concerns, first and foremost.

Nope, pretty much in a vacuum. The only idea I've heard I kind of like is the Cavs because I think Lebron and co could get him to be semi-OK. Other than that I wouldn't touch him.

Well, Cavs have Kyrie. Honestly I wonder how well he would do as a replacement for Parker in San Antonio. If Pop and Duncan wouldn't be able to rein him in, nobody would. Probably a crazy idea, but Parker seems like he's really slowing down. He was never a reliable postseason performer, but now it seems much worse than usual. He was historically bad last season.

I think fit always matters. Teams full of malcontents almost always implode at some point.

[RSCD3_]

Well I mean you aren't just getting Ty Lawson the top 15 PG but Ty Lawson the immature, questionable decision making on and off the court, DUI magnet.

To be honest with you, I think those off-court issues are less of a problem than being unproven on the court. Persoanlly, as a GM, I would always make decisions based on basketball abilities rather than personality concerns, first and foremost.

Nope, pretty much in a vacuum. The only idea I've heard I kind of like is the Cavs because I think Lebron and co could get him to be semi-OK. Other than that I wouldn't touch him.

Well, Cavs have Kyrie. Honestly I wonder how well he would do as a replacement for Parker in San Antonio. If Pop and Duncan wouldn't be able to rein him in, nobody would. Probably a crazy idea, but Parker seems like he's really slowing down. He was never a reliable postseason performer, but now it seems much worse than usual. He was historically bad last season.

I think fit always matters. Teams full of malcontents almost always implode at some point.

Quotatious is a blazer fan IIRC, the only malcontents they've had was...never mind just remember the Jailblazer era

[Quotatious]

Quotatious is a blazer fan IIRC, the only malcontents they've had was...never mind just remember the Jailblazer era

I don't have one favorite franchise. My first favorite team were the Bulls during the second three peat era, then I was a Celtics fan for a long time (basically since Pierce was drafted, until PP and KG were traded in 2013), and the Blazers in the recent years (first liked them when Roy was in his prime), but not really during the Jail Blazer era. I remember there were certainly some "characters" on that team, though.

Besides, I actually care about chemistry. I think that's pretty important, too. I'd just rather focus primarily on basketball skills, because who cares how good of a teammate or how much of a hardworker you are, if you can't play? Personality/attitude is important, as well, but somewhat of a secondary concern.

To be fair to Lawson, he had some reasons to be a malcontent in the last two seasons in Denver.

[bondom34]

Quotatious is a blazer fan IIRC, the only malcontents they've had was...never mind just remember the Jailblazer era

I don't have one favorite franchise. My first favorite team were the Bulls during the second three peat era, then I was a Celtics fan for a long time (basically since Pierce was drafted, until PP and KG were traded in 2013), and the Blazers in the recent years (first liked them when Roy was in his prime), but not really during the Jail Blazer era. I remember there were certainly some "characters" on that team, though.

Besides, I actually care about chemistry. I think that's pretty important, too. I'd just rather focus primarily on basketball skills, because who cares how good of a teammate or how much of a hardworker you are, if you can't play? Personality/attitude is important, as well, but somewhat of a secondary concern.

To be fair to Lawson, he had some reasons to be a malcontent in the last two seasons in Denver.

Agree he had reason, but not to drive drunk 3 times.

[Quotatious]

Agree he had reason, but not to drive drunk 3 times.

Obviously not. That's inexcusable. In terms of basketball, the Nuggets seemed really dysfunctional under Shaw.

[Texas Chuck]

Quotatious is a blazer fan IIRC, the only malcontents they've had was...never mind just remember the Jailblazer era

I don't have one favorite franchise. My first favorite team were the Bulls during the second three peat era, then I was a Celtics fan for a long time (basically since Pierce was drafted, until PP and KG were traded in 2013), and the Blazers in the recent years (first liked them when Roy was in his prime), but not really during the Jail Blazer era. I remember there were certainly some "characters" on that team, though.

Besides, I actually care about chemistry. I think that's pretty important, too. I'd just rather focus primarily on basketball skills, because who cares how good of a teammate or how much of a hardworker you are, if you can't play? Personality/attitude is important, as well, but somewhat of a secondary concern.

To be fair to Lawson, he had some reasons to be a malcontent in the last two seasons in Denver.

Agree he had reason, but not to drive drunk 3 times.

To get caught 3 times. I'd imagine he drove dunk dozens or more times to get caught 3x.

And as a fan of a team in desperate need of a PG, I'd want no part of him. He's got at least one serious problem that can't be blamed on the Nuggets organization. Guy needs to prioritize dealing with that issue first then worry about his basketball life. No way I would give value to get him and then give him a role where my team depended on him.

[bondom34]

Good point on that Chuck.

[sp6r=underrated]

I don't know why I find the expected dispiriting the NBA owners claiming they are once again losing money really depresses me. The last two major CBA changes have both dramatically favored the owners and yet they continue to claim they are losing money. They are primarily lying and the few teams that are losing money are doing so voluntarily. If they wanted to ensure that not a single owner would be forced to lose money they could do away with the BRI guarantee. They won't ever propose this because if you removed that cap players would actually be paid more money. This is proof that NBA players are in the aggregate underpaid relative to their actual market value.

I know a majority of fans will irrationally side with the owners even though their proposals aren't even designed to improve the quality of basketball and instead are about lowering labor costs and increasing money for capital. It looks like there is a decent chance of another owner caused lockout that deprives basketball fans of North American basketball. I strongly hope that European basketball continues to develop and we reach a point when the NBA cartel will have to eliminate salary caps, drafts and other measures that shrink the talent pool and lower the quality of basketball.

[E-Balla]

I don't know why I find the expected dispiriting the NBA owners claiming they are once again losing money really depresses me. The last two major CBA changes have both dramatically favored the owners and yet they continue to claim they are losing money. They are primarily lying and the few teams that are losing money are doing so voluntarily. If they wanted to ensure that not a single owner would be forced to lose money they could do away with the BRI guarantee. They won't ever propose this because if you removed that cap players would actually be paid more money. This is proof that NBA players are in the aggregate underpaid relative to their actual market value.

I know a majority of fans will irrationally side with the owners even though their proposals aren't even designed to improve the quality of basketball and instead are about lowering labor costs and increasing money for capital. It looks like there is a decent chance of another owner caused lockout that deprives basketball fans of North American basketball. I strongly hope that European basketball continues to develop and we reach a point when the NBA cartel will have to eliminate salary caps, drafts and other measures that shrink the talent pool and lower the quality of basketball.

NBA owners look at other sports leagues and notice they're the only ones not shafting their players. That's really the only reason.

[Clyde Frazier]

I don't know why I find the expected dispiriting the NBA owners claiming they are once again losing money really depresses me. The last two major CBA changes have both dramatically favored the owners and yet they continue to claim they are losing money. They are primarily lying and the few teams that are losing money are doing so voluntarily. If they wanted to ensure that not a single owner would be forced to lose money they could do away with the BRI guarantee. They won't ever propose this because if you removed that cap players would actually be paid more money. This is proof that NBA players are in the aggregate underpaid relative to their actual market value.

I know a majority of fans will irrationally side with the owners even though their proposals aren't even designed to improve the quality of basketball and instead are about lowering labor costs and increasing money for capital. It looks like there is a decent chance of another owner caused lockout that deprives basketball fans of North American basketball. I strongly hope that European basketball continues to develop and we reach a point when the NBA cartel will have to eliminate salary caps, drafts and other measures that shrink the talent pool and lower the quality of basketball.

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[PaulieWal]

I don't know why I find the expected dispiriting the NBA owners claiming they are once again losing money really depresses me. The last two major CBA changes have both dramatically favored the owners and yet they continue to claim they are losing money. They are primarily lying and the few teams that are losing money are doing so voluntarily. If they wanted to ensure that not a single owner would be forced to lose money they could do away with the BRI guarantee. They won't ever propose this because if you removed that cap players would actually be paid more money. This is proof that NBA players are in the aggregate underpaid relative to their actual market value.

I know a majority of fans will irrationally side with the owners even though their proposals aren't even designed to improve the quality of basketball and instead are about lowering labor costs and increasing money for capital. It looks like there is a decent chance of another owner caused lockout that deprives basketball fans of North American basketball. I strongly hope that European basketball continues to develop and we reach a point when the NBA cartel will have to eliminate salary caps, drafts and other measures that shrink the talent pool and lower the quality of basketball.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/621198901387722752[/tweet]

Absolutely pathetic.

It's the same thing as how all Hollywood movies "lose money" on paper because of creative accounting.

And just like last time 95% of the public will again side with the owners and believe that the players make too much/teams are losing a lot of money. I am surprised the owners don't just come out and say all 30 teams lose money. We are so poor!!

[kingkirk]

Quick question: Would you guys be happy if you found out your team traded a future first for Ty Lawson. Just settling an argument (I wouldn't want him).

Given the troubles he has off the court, i'd be annoyed if my team added him off the waivers let alone trading a first rounder for him.

[penbeast0]

Fully lottery protected first, I'd be thrilled, despite having John Wall ahead of him. He's a good player and those are risky picks. Top 10 protected and I'd be going back and forth but probably okay with it. The DUIs do show a real problem but there are ways to deal with it.

[bondom34]

Per Spears:

https://in.news.yahoo.com/vin-baker-s-advice-for-ty-lawson---make-your-life-your-priority-024514038.html

The Nuggets were asking for a first-round pick and a young player for Lawson in trade talks just days prior to his latest arrest, one league source said. Even prior to Lawson's latest arrest there was little to no interest from teams, another source said.

"Good luck trading Ty now," one NBA assistant general manager said. "They might as well keep him and hope he eventually raises his value back up."

[trex_8063]

I just took a look at the InsideHoops.com NBA forum for the first time in awhile, and once again I must express how grateful I am to have the cast of posters and the level of discussion we have here on the PC forum. Well-played team.

(Seriously.......It's like a multitude of vulgar, bickering, insecure, insensitive, all-bravado-and-no-brains juveniles over there. And apparently barely moderated [if at all???]. Gawd.....)

[bondom34]

I just took a look at the InsideHoops.com NBA forum for the first time in awhile, and once again I must express how grateful I am to have the cast of posters and the level of discussion we have here on the PC forum. Well-played team.

(Seriously.......It's like a multitude of vulgar, bickering, insecure, insensitive, all-bravado-and-no-brains juveniles over there. And apparently barely moderated [if at all???]. Gawd.....)

I've never posted there, just lurked a few times, and every time the same feeling when I look in.

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