Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[MrMiyagi]

lol, only on realgm.

I thought it was obvious I was joking...

You need to use the Miyagi font

What font?

[bwgood77]

I thought it was obvious I was joking...

You need to use the Miyagi font

What font?

You still need to hit that Zach thread on the general board and make some good posts.

[Kerrsed]

You need to use the Miyagi font

What font?

You still need to hit that Zach thread on the general board and make some good posts.

Ive read that whole thread and am trying to refrain from posting in it. Its amazing how it starts out and how all of a sudden 76ers fans start bashing us out of nowhere, turning into what it is now, a 76ers Vs Suns (Noel Vs Len) thread. Yeah, just ignore that we win more games every year, while talking about how they made the playoffs 1 year since we havent. Ignore that we play a larger majority of our games against better teams in the west and would have made the playoffs EVERY YEAR if we were in the sucky Eastern Conference like them.

Somehow they feel like they have a better future. Its comical.

[DirtyDez]

What font?

You still need to hit that Zach thread on the general board and make some good posts.

Ive read that whole thread and am trying to refrain from posting in it. Its amazing how it starts out and how all of a sudden 76ers fans start bashing us out of nowhere, turning into what it is now, a 76ers Vs Suns (Noel Vs Len) thread. Yeah, just ignore that we win more games every year, while talking about how they made the playoffs 1 year since we havent. Ignore that we play a larger majority of our games against better teams in the west and would have made the playoffs EVERY YEAR if we were in the sucky Eastern Conference like them.

Somehow they feel like they have a better future. Its comical.

IIRC a lot of us were pleased when McD started the full-on tank before things went shockingly well winning 48 games. Had we been terrible these past couple years collecting top-3 picks I'd be defending McD for his longterm patience. I don't have a problem with either the Suns or Sixers current plan.

[thamadkant]

76ers have a stud in Noel and Okafor.... no doubt in my mind.
But their fans are being fed hog wash by their GM who is stealing money technically.

I can honestly say I can do ALL the things Hinkie has done in the last 2-3 years. As in browse the net for mock drafts for top 5, trade away players playing well for crappy players and 2nd round picks, pull moves that DOESNT make them competitive. To get paid millions to perform BAD must be an amazing feeling.

[Revived]

You still need to hit that Zach thread on the general board and make some good posts.

Ive read that whole thread and am trying to refrain from posting in it. Its amazing how it starts out and how all of a sudden 76ers fans start bashing us out of nowhere, turning into what it is now, a 76ers Vs Suns (Noel Vs Len) thread. Yeah, just ignore that we win more games every year, while talking about how they made the playoffs 1 year since we havent. Ignore that we play a larger majority of our games against better teams in the west and would have made the playoffs EVERY YEAR if we were in the sucky Eastern Conference like them.

Somehow they feel like they have a better future. Its comical.

IIRC a lot of us were pleased when McD started the full-on tank before things went shockingly well winning 48 games. Had we been terrible these past couple years collecting top-3 picks I'd be defending McD for his longterm patience. I don't have a problem with either the Suns or Sixers current plan.

Iirc, Kerrsed was on the pro tankers bandwagon prior to that '13-'14 season as well. But I'm with you, I wouldn't have had a problem if we took that approach either.

[thamadkant]

But 76ers are just tanking without a specific plan. They just want to keep picking top 5 every year until they draft a star.

I too was on the "Strategic Draft Positioning" direction post Nash era.... but you have to have a window and then you have to have a Free Agency plan to go along your Draft / Development plan. Players move around the league and players can easily opt for a Qualifying offer and leave after their rookie year. So blatantly tanking year after year without "building" around your high draftee is not a good approach. Thunder lucked out... they nailed Durant, Harden, Westbrook.... thats just ACE of a draft portfolio.... probably best in the last 20-25 years... 76ers trying to repeat it so soon... not gonna happen.

They should be signing players to fit around Okafor, Noel now... even trade Embiid for proper players/depth. They could make the east playoffs if they actually "TRY"....

[saintEscaton]

Ive read that whole thread and am trying to refrain from posting in it. Its amazing how it starts out and how all of a sudden 76ers fans start bashing us out of nowhere, turning into what it is now, a 76ers Vs Suns (Noel Vs Len) thread. Yeah, just ignore that we win more games every year, while talking about how they made the playoffs 1 year since we havent. Ignore that we play a larger majority of our games against better teams in the west and would have made the playoffs EVERY YEAR if we were in the sucky Eastern Conference like them.

Somehow they feel like they have a better future. Its comical.

IIRC a lot of us were pleased when McD started the full-on tank before things went shockingly well winning 48 games. Had we been terrible these past couple years collecting top-3 picks I'd be defending McD for his longterm patience. I don't have a problem with either the Suns or Sixers current plan.

Iirc, Kerrsed was on the pro tankers bandwagon prior to that '13-'14 season as well. But I'm with you, I wouldn't have had a problem if we took that approach either.

Ideally you need to find an middle ground between the two divergent and seemingly polar paths. You gotta know when the ship is no longer steadied on course and decisiely blow it up at the right time so you put yourself in a position where you have a higher liklihood of acquiring a franchise talent via the draft which is nevertheless a crapshoot and game of chance. Suns were never willing to go down this riskier route due to Sarver wanting to play it safe and operate on a profit and opting to field a squad just intriuing enough to sell tickets and remain in the hunt(which we still miserably fail at due to overpricing). You can't bank on just one avenue so it helps to actually have pieces in place before you start up the tank, something the Sixers obviously forsook because they were worried that it would get in the way of their suckage.

Yet as a GM you can't entirely gut your roster and treat it as a mere conglomerate of expendable assets to play career DLeaguers and absorb scrubs on terrible contracts just to gain more picks the reasoning being "The more shots you got the less you miss". Hinkie turns a profit by operating well under the cap floor and manipulating a loophole in end of the year salary calculation Over $22 million of #Sixers' $54M payroll last season was spent on at least 6 players waived after being acquired in trades

.What the Sixers are doing is simply gaming the system and imbibing a culture that incentivizes losing that simply can't be overturend once they are satisfied.Too many wannabe GMs are drinking the Hinkie koolaid and chanting the "Trust in the process" mantra in hopes of self-validation

[bwgood77]

You still need to hit that Zach thread on the general board and make some good posts.

Ive read that whole thread and am trying to refrain from posting in it. Its amazing how it starts out and how all of a sudden 76ers fans start bashing us out of nowhere, turning into what it is now, a 76ers Vs Suns (Noel Vs Len) thread. Yeah, just ignore that we win more games every year, while talking about how they made the playoffs 1 year since we havent. Ignore that we play a larger majority of our games against better teams in the west and would have made the playoffs EVERY YEAR if we were in the sucky Eastern Conference like them.

Somehow they feel like they have a better future. Its comical.

IIRC a lot of us were pleased when McD started the full-on tank before things went shockingly well winning 48 games. Had we been terrible these past couple years collecting top-3 picks I'd be defending McD for his longterm patience. I don't have a problem with either the Suns or Sixers current plan.

I agree...getting Parker or Wiggins would have been great, but we did well that season...should they have said "hey, Dragic, Bledsoe, Frye, Markieff, sit down" to hopefully get one of those guys? We could have ended up with the 4th pick and Embiid who won't play for a while and maybe not ever.

[bwgood77]

IIRC a lot of us were pleased when McD started the full-on tank before things went shockingly well winning 48 games. Had we been terrible these past couple years collecting top-3 picks I'd be defending McD for his longterm patience. I don't have a problem with either the Suns or Sixers current plan.

Iirc, Kerrsed was on the pro tankers bandwagon prior to that '13-'14 season as well. But I'm with you, I wouldn't have had a problem if we took that approach either.

Ideally you need to find an middle ground between the two divergent and seemingly polar paths. You gotta know when the ship is no longer steadied on course and decisiely blow it up at the right time so you put yourself in a position where you have a higher liklihood of acquiring a franchise talent via the draft which is nevertheless a crapshoot and game of chance. Suns were never willing to go down this riskier route due to Sarver wanting to play it safe and operate on a profit and opting to field a squad just intriuing enough to sell tickets and remain in the hunt(which we still miserably fail at due to overpricing). You can't bank on just one avenue so it helps to actually have pieces in place before you start up the tank, something the Sixers obviously forsook because they were worried that it would get in the way of their suckage. Yet as a GM you can't entirely gut your roster and treat it as a mere conglomerate of expendable assets to play career DLeaguers and absorb scrubs on terrible contracts just to gain more picks the reasoning being "The more shots you got the less you miss". Hinkie turns a profit by operating well under the cap floor and manipulating a loophole in end of the year salary calculation s. Over $22 million of #Sixers' $54M payroll last season was spent on at least 6 players waived after being acquired in trades.What the Sixers are doing is simply gaming the system and imbibing a culture that incentivizes losing that simply can't be overturend once they are satisfied.Too many wannabe GMs are drinking the Hinkie koolaid and chanting the "Trust in the process" mantra in hopes of self-validation

Paragraphs are there to help people read. Please use them. I am guessing few people will even read that. I didn't want to and I have to, so I'm guessing most people won't. If you split it into three paragraphs with an edit, everyone will read it, if you don't, I'm guessing you might get 20-40%.

[bwgood77]

You still need to hit that Zach thread on the general board and make some good posts.

Ive read that whole thread and am trying to refrain from posting in it. Its amazing how it starts out and how all of a sudden 76ers fans start bashing us out of nowhere, turning into what it is now, a 76ers Vs Suns (Noel Vs Len) thread. Yeah, just ignore that we win more games every year, while talking about how they made the playoffs 1 year since we havent. Ignore that we play a larger majority of our games against better teams in the west and would have made the playoffs EVERY YEAR if we were in the sucky Eastern Conference like them.

Somehow they feel like they have a better future. Its comical.

IIRC a lot of us were pleased when McD started the full-on tank before things went shockingly well winning 48 games. Had we been terrible these past couple years collecting top-3 picks I'd be defending McD for his longterm patience. I don't have a problem with either the Suns or Sixers current plan.

I agree. I was happy with the chance at Wiggins or Parker, but when you do what we did, what are you going to do? Dump the players that showed success in hopes for something better? Not going to work.

[bwgood77]

By the way, Bondom is probably my favorite mod out there, so he deserves props. He had been arguing for the Suns on the GB board relentlessly. I noticed him before I became a mod. I don't know the tendencies of all mods, so I can't say he is the best out there, but from what I've seen, he is a well reasoned one. He has backed us up in that thread more than just about everyone. Gaspar and I have done our duty there, despite some unreasonable people, but he has done even more.

[lilfishi22]

As far as Gallinari goes, I still have not heard a single compelling reason to trade for him instead of pursuing him in free agency next year. I'd be down if he costs us trash like Tucker and a second, but that is not going to happen. Giving real value for Gallo would be a huge spew.

That would be my only argument. I like Gallo and I think he could help but his health and the fact we're giving up assets to aqcuire him does not appeal. I'd rather go after him in FA and see how Kieff progresses.

[saintEscaton]

By the way, Bondom is probably my favorite mod out there, so he deserves props. He had been arguing for the Suns on the GB board relentlessly. I noticed him before I became a mod. I don't know the tendencies of all mods, so I can't say he is the best out there, but from what I've seen, he is a well reasoned one. He has backed us up in that thread more than just about everyone. Gaspar and I have done our duty there, despite some unreasonable people, but he has done even more.

Lol that JDrizzle guy is beyond reproach. Quote on quote" Comparing Len to Noel is like calling Eddy Curry Baby Shaq."

[bwgood77]

By the way, Bondom is probably my favorite mod out there, so he deserves props. He had been arguing for the Suns on the GB board relentlessly. I noticed him before I became a mod. I don't know the tendencies of all mods, so I can't say he is the best out there, but from what I've seen, he is a well reasoned one. He has backed us up in that thread more than just about everyone. Gaspar and I have done our duty there, despite some unreasonable people, but he has done even more.

Lol that JDrizzle guy is beyond reproach. Quote on quote" Comparing Len to Noel is like calling Eddy Curry Baby Shaq."

And you have been almost arguing in his camp.

[AtheJ415]

But 76ers are just tanking without a specific plan. They just want to keep picking top 5 every year until they draft a star.

I too was on the "Strategic Draft Positioning" direction post Nash era.... but you have to have a window and then you have to have a Free Agency plan to go along your Draft / Development plan. Players move around the league and players can easily opt for a Qualifying offer and leave after their rookie year. So blatantly tanking year after year without "building" around your high draftee is not a good approach. Thunder lucked out... they nailed Durant, Harden, Westbrook.... thats just ACE of a draft portfolio.... probably best in the last 20-25 years... 76ers trying to repeat it so soon... not gonna happen.

They should be signing players to fit around Okafor, Noel now... even trade Embiid for proper players/depth. They could make the east playoffs if they actually "TRY"....

I don't have a huge problem with tanking either, but I agree that the 76ers have a nonsensical plan. Why did they trade KJ McDaniels? When you rebuild, you get picks and retain young talent when you hit on those picks. McDaniels showed a lot of promise, and they moved him for nothing. His mom on twitter is not an explanation. Only thing I can think of was in a greater effort to tank and that's just ridiculous. If that's the case, why even draft him in the first place?

[AtheJ415]

Ive read that whole thread and am trying to refrain from posting in it. Its amazing how it starts out and how all of a sudden 76ers fans start bashing us out of nowhere, turning into what it is now, a 76ers Vs Suns (Noel Vs Len) thread. Yeah, just ignore that we win more games every year, while talking about how they made the playoffs 1 year since we havent. Ignore that we play a larger majority of our games against better teams in the west and would have made the playoffs EVERY YEAR if we were in the sucky Eastern Conference like them.

Somehow they feel like they have a better future. Its comical.

IIRC a lot of us were pleased when McD started the full-on tank before things went shockingly well winning 48 games. Had we been terrible these past couple years collecting top-3 picks I'd be defending McD for his longterm patience. I don't have a problem with either the Suns or Sixers current plan.

I agree. I was happy with the chance at Wiggins or Parker, but when you do what we did, what are you going to do? Dump the players that showed success in hopes for something better? Not going to work.

Yeah, but the difference also is that we are a young team. If our success was solely because of Goran or Channing, I would've been all in favor of dumping them, and in fact we did eventually. It would be one thing if we were a middling veteran group, but we aren't. It's just that our conglomeration of youngsters happens to be better than teams like Philly, Utah, etc., and on no planet is that a bad thing. That gap can certainly close if Utah and Philly keep picking higher every year, but we aren't what most would call a treadmill team due to age. There's no doubt in my mind that our youngsters are far from finished products.

[Revived]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/billoram/status/621513318365163520[/tweet]

[Revived]

Interesting that Trey freaking Burke gets an invite to the Team USA tryouts but not Bledsoe or Knight?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/41-nba-players-will-be-competing-for-team-usa-s-12-olympic-roster-spots-215731430.html

[batsmasher]

So um, Horny's killin it in Daryl Morey's ping pong tournament.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/seth_rosenthal/status/621567501575438336[/tweet]

Wait no, he then lost to Rich Cho lol.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/621588910741688320[/tweet]