Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

Post #341 » by **Qwigglez** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:41 am

SF88 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/billoram/status/621513318365163520[/tweet]

Is anyone else a little annoyed by this?
Why isn't he helping Suns players? I'm sure our guys could use some pointers from Nash.

NTB · Post #342 » by **NTB** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:44 am

Qwigglez wrote:
SF88 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/billoram/status/621513318365163520[/tweet]

Is anyone else a little annoyed by this?
Why isn't he helping Suns players? I'm sure our guys could use some pointers from Nash.

He is feeling bad for not playing for Lakers cause of injuries so he is compensating.

Mr Puddles · Post #343 » by **Mr Puddles** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:48 am

NTB wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
SF88 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/billoram/status/621513318365163520[/tweet]

Is anyone else a little annoyed by this?
Why isn't he helping Suns players? I'm sure our guys could use some pointers from Nash.

He is feeling bad for not playing for Lakers cause of injuries so he is compensating.

Hopefully he's only teaching them how to play defense

Revived · Post #344 » by **Revived** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:40 am

Qwigglez wrote:
SF88 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/billoram/status/621513318365163520[/tweet]

Is anyone else a little annoyed by this?
Why isn't he helping Suns players? I'm sure our guys could use some pointers from Nash.

I'm sure if he can really teach Clarkson much but I think he's good for a pass first PG like Russel.

DRK · Post #345 » by **DRK** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:44 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Did I just read someone say McNeal is a beast? Im logging off for a couple of days.

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As long as you make it back in time for the Fantasy Drafts buddy!

Post #346 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:11 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
IIRC a lot of us were pleased when McD started the full-on tank before things went shockingly well winning 48 games. Had we been terrible these past couple years collecting top-3 picks I'd be defending McD for his longterm patience. I don't have a problem with either the Suns or Sixers current plan.

I agree. I was happy with the chance at Wiggins or Parker, but when you do what we did, what are you going to do? Dump the players that showed success in hopes for something better? Not going to work.

Yeah, but the difference also is that we are a young team. If our success was solely because of Goran or Channing, I would've been all in favor of dumping them, and in fact we did eventually. It would be one thing if we were a middling veteran group, but we aren't. It's just that our conglomeration of youngsters happens to be better than teams like Philly, Utah, etc., and on no planet is that a bad thing. That gap can certainly close if Utah and Philly keep picking higher every year, but we aren't what most would call a treadmill team due to age. There's no doubt in my mind that our youngsters are far from finished products.

I agree. That's why that JDizzle guy on the Zach Lowe thread needs to have his head examined. Feel free to chime in there.

RunDogGun · Post #347 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:50 pm

It would make sense if Nash was helping out the Lakers out of guilt. He was paid well for very little work.

NavLDO · Post #348 » by **NavLDO** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:54 pm

Los Soles wrote:
NavLDO wrote:...blablabla...I don't understand advanced stats ...blablabla...when I don't understand something, it makes me angry ...blablabla...complex stuff makes my brain hurt ...blablabla...where's Charles Barkley? I can understand him ...

The fact is, I, and others, would rather have Mirza than Gallinari on this team.

Dude, the debate's over. It was sorta interesting a few years ago, but it's over now.

...blablabla...I like to make emoticons when I can't defend the argument...blablabla...and say a bunch of "blablabla"...when I can't refute what the stats say, because I make the overused "everyone believes this now" argument...

It was cute the first time you did it, now it just shows your maturity level...it's not about understanding advanced stats-I get the concept. I always find it funny that one can attempt to insult one's intelligence, yet at the same time, is unable to respond with a coherent argument--oh, and I'm SURE your first thought is that it's not worth your time, or something to that effect. And that somehow, since you stated that the debate is over, when you didn't even reply back without an actual argument, that the debate is over...how does that work, exactly??

However, rather than actually provide a substantial argument, all you can say is everyone believes in RAPM/APM, and since Gallinari's numbers are 2.81 higher than Mirza, he's worth the extra $6M/per this year. Is that the extent of your argument? Oh, well, that and your ever insightful "bla, bla, bla" with emoticons...

The fact is, Gallinari is not so decisively better than Kieff or Mirza to the point that he is worth the extra $6M(Mirza) or $3.6M(Kieff). Especially considering we have Kieff locked up for 4 more years, and Gallo just one.

So my point is I'm taking the big picture into consideration, and you are just simply stating that since A>B, so we should take A drop B. It' not that easy.

And since Gallo's playoff stats are pitiful, I don't see him as being a game changer for us either to make the playoffs, or win when we get there.

So you can dismiss every other reason why taking on Gallo at his salary on a one year rental is not a great idea for us, and then attempt to insult me and my intelligence, when you know absolutely NOTHING about me. But you are the one being short sided here, pointing to nothing but an RAPM advantage telling you why he's a great fit for us. You claim you take other pieces of information into consideration when making your analysis, but it's clear you are not.

-Gallo's stats are not overwhelming better, and in some cases, worse than Mirza
-Gallo's salary is almost double Mirza'a
-Mirza played on the trainwreck we know as the Nets, whereas Gallo played on a talented, albeit young, team in Denver--what does your lineup analysis point to on these two.
-And most importantly, paying a guy that much that is one season removed from missing the entire season, and has injury concerns throughout his career.

Sorry, but Gallo is not the difference maker we need on this team, IMO, when considering more than just the metrics/stats.
My point is I'm not buying it, and if I'm spending $11.6M on a player this year, why on earth would it be for Gallinari?!?!

Flying Colors · Post #349 » by **Flying Colors** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:54 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
SF88 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/billoram/status/621513318365163520[/tweet]

Is anyone else a little annoyed by this?
Why isn't he helping Suns players? I'm sure our guys could use some pointers from Nash.

Because Nash retired as a Laker not a Sun, this is something we are going to have to accept unfortunately

King4Day · Post #350 » by **King4Day** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:39 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
SF88 wrote:Iirc, Kerrsed was on the pro tankers bandwagon prior to that '13-'14 season as well. But I'm with you, I wouldn't have had a problem if we took that approach either.

Ideally you need to find an middle ground between the two divergent and seemingly polar paths. You gotta know when the ship is no longer steadied on course and decisiely blow it up at the right time so you put yourself in a position where you have a higher liklihood of acquiring a franchise talent via the draft which is nevertheless a crapshoot and game of chance. Suns were never willing to go down this riskier route due to Sarver wanting to play it safe and operate on a profit and opting to field a squad just intriuing enough to sell tickets and remain in the hunt(which we still miserably fail at due to overpricing). You can't bank on just one avenue so it helps to actually have pieces in place before you start up the tank, something the Sixers obviously forsook because they were worried that it would get in the way of their suckage. Yet as a GM you can't entirely gut your roster and treat it as a mere conglomerate of expendable assets to play career DLeaguers and absorb scrubs on terrible contracts just to gain more picks the reasoning being "The more shots you got the less you miss". Hinkie turns a profit by operating well under the cap floor and manipulating a loophole in end of the year salary calculation s. Over $22 million of #Sixers' $54M payroll last season was spent on at least 6 players waived after being acquired in trades.What the Sixers are doing is simply gaming the system and imbibing a culture that incentivizes losing that simply can't be overturend once they are satisfied.Too many wannabe GMs are drinking the Hinkie koolaid and chanting the "Trust in the process" mantra in hopes of self-validation

Paragraphs are there to help people read. Please use them. I am guessing few people will even read that. I didn't want to and I have to, so I'm guessing most people won't. If you split it into three paragraphs with an edit, everyone will read it, if you don't, I'm guessing you might get 20-40%.

Agreed. That's the different between me reading posts and not.
Or if it's just super long (with or without a paragraph)

Post #351 » by **Qwigglez** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:03 pm

For all you science nerds out there...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OSrvzNW9FE[/youtube]

LukasBMW · Post #352 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:17 pm

I'm sure half of the reason Nash is decided to stay with the Lakers is because he realized he could live by the beach and enjoy 77o summer days instead of 110o summer days,

Did you see his crib in those Grantland documentary videos? He was steps to the sand and surrounded by MILFs!

Being a 40 year old single millionaire in LA probably doesn't suck.

$10 says he starts banging an actress or singer.

LukasBMW · Post #353 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:21 pm

1UPZ wrote:76ers have a stud in Noel and Okafor.... no doubt in my mind.
But their fans are being fed hog wash by their GM who is stealing money technically.

I can honestly say I can do ALL the things Hinkie has done in the last 2-3 years. As in browse the net for mock drafts for top 5, trade away players playing well for crappy players and 2nd round picks, pull moves that DOESNT make them competitive. To get paid millions to perform BAD must be an amazing feeling.

I agree 100% in Noel and Okafor being studs.

I think now that Philly has stockpiled picks, they will start to acquire more talent and vets to surround Okafor and Noel with...as long as Noel and Okafor perform as expected.

The only talent they really traded away for future picks in the past 2 years was Michael Carter Williams. And his stats were inflated due to being the only guy on the roster with some talent.

Philly probably has one more year in the trash and then they start looking really dangerous.

C: Okafor
PF: Noel
F: Saric
SG: future lottery picks they have stockpiled
PG: Their own 2016 lottery pick

Then they either trade Embiid or keep him as a backup. Scary.

NTB · Post #354 » by **NTB** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:23 pm

Lol PHI is not scary at all.

Post #355 » by **Qwigglez** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:44 pm

LukasBMW wrote:I'm sure half of the reason Nash is decided to stay with the Lakers is because he realized he could live by the beach and enjoy 77o summer days instead of 110o summer days,

Did you see his crib in those Grantland documentary videos? He was steps to the sand and surrounded by MILFs!

Being a 40 year old single millionaire in LA probably doesn't suck.

$10 says he starts banging an actress or singer.

I think this is probably the reason. As well as he wants to help his secondary Director career.

Post #356 » by **rsavaj** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:11 pm

LukasBMW wrote:
1UPZ wrote:76ers have a stud in Noel and Okafor.... no doubt in my mind.
But their fans are being fed hog wash by their GM who is stealing money technically.

I can honestly say I can do ALL the things Hinkie has done in the last 2-3 years. As in browse the net for mock drafts for top 5, trade away players playing well for crappy players and 2nd round picks, pull moves that DOESNT make them competitive. To get paid millions to perform BAD must be an amazing feeling.

I agree 100% in Noel and Okafor being studs.

I think now that Philly has stockpiled picks, they will start to acquire more talent and vets to surround Okafor and Noel with...as long as Noel and Okafor perform as expected.

The only talent they really traded away for future picks in the past 2 years was Michael Carter Williams. And his stats were inflated due to being the only guy on the roster with some talent.

Philly probably has one more year in the trash and then they start looking really dangerous.

C: Okafor
PF: Noel
F: Saric
SG: future lottery picks they have stockpiled
PG: Their own 2016 lottery pick

Then they either trade Embiid or keep him as a backup. Scary.

Or they could face the OKC problem and have trouble figuring out how to keep all of those guys if they all pan out.

letsgosuns · Post #357 » by **letsgosuns** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:26 pm

I do not care what Steve Nash does now. The Lakers paid him almost 30 million dollars for three years and he unfortunately hardly ever played. Makes sense that he would at least help their young players. Regardless, the Suns made out like bandits in the Nash trade. They used three of the four picks they got for Nash to help in acquiring Bledsoe, Goodwin, and Knight.

LukasBMW · Post #358 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:41 pm

NTB wrote:Lol PHI is not scary at all.

They will be in a few years with:

-The best young post player in the league - Okafor
-A Marcus Camby clone - Noel
-The best player in Europe coming over - Saric (or whatever his name is)
-Plus whoever they trade Embiid for
-Plus whoever they draft with their stockpile of picks.

An Ewing/Camby/Ginobli core would be something to fear and I think that's not a completely unreasonable comparison.

NTB · Post #359 » by **NTB** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:43 pm

LukasBMW wrote:
NTB wrote:Lol PHI is not scary at all.

They will be in a few years with:

-The best young post player in the league - Okafor
-A Marcus Camby clone - Noel
-The best player in Europe coming over - Saric (or whatever his name is)
-Plus whoever they trade Embiid for
-Plus whoever they draft with their stockpile of picks.

An Ewing/Camby/Ginobli core would be something to fear and I think that's not a completely unreasonable comparison.

You are overrating them.

aIvin adams · Post #360 » by **aIvin adams** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:46 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
SF88 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/billoram/status/621513318365163520[/tweet]

Is anyone else a little annoyed by this?
Why isn't he helping Suns players? I'm sure our guys could use some pointers from Nash.

maybe he wants to stay close to his kids tho