The Official Should We Have Signed Thad Thread

[Prokorov]

you dont keep nobodies that prevent you from potentially signing allstars. thad young is a nobody. he doesnt make us a playoff team. he prevents us from signing 2 max contracts.

brook is a different story. brook isnt some nobody 13/5 player and weak defender. brook is actually an all-star calibur player. keeping him is fine.

people thinking thad young is worth 15-20 wins are off their rocker. Please go back to netsdaily if you are going to just slurp every net and pretend that thad is some lebron level impact player

[wonchobody]

I think the point people are trying to make is, that although having enough cap space for two max contracts is the most logical strategy when you are devoid of draft picks, this free agent class is not the one worth doing this for.

What initially seemed like a monster free agent class has only a few "Lebron-level" or max-worthy players available after so many potential 2016 FA's signed extensions this past summer (AD, Lillard), while the only other max worthy players besides Lebron and Durant are mostly centers, a position we re-filled this past summer.

So the only players that would realistically be available to us, unless Conley does decide to test free agency, are Thad-level players who will most undoubtedly end up signing for more than Thad did due to the rising cap.

I'm all for the cap space as long as we have some worthy targets available but it is looking more and more like nobody worth it will be available next summer.

[Paradise]

you dont keep nobodies that prevent you from potentially signing allstars. thad young is a nobody. he doesnt make us a playoff team. he prevents us from signing 2 max contracts.

brook is a different story. brook isnt some nobody 13/5 player and weak defender. brook is actually an all-star calibur player. keeping him is fine.

people thinking thad young is worth 15-20 wins are off their rocker. Please go back to netsdaily if you are going to just slurp every net and pretend that thad is some lebron level impact player

He's a nobody now? Wow. Nobody is pretending he's that good. Reality is we were a much better team with him than KG. We were a Top 10 offense after all-star break because he provided efficient production next to Brook and created floor spacing. He's making reasonable money and every capologist has suggested he is totally fine at a 12 million average. I'm not sure why is that so hard to understand.

[MrDollarBills]

you dont keep nobodies that prevent you from potentially signing allstars. thad young is a nobody. he doesnt make us a playoff team. he prevents us from signing 2 max contracts.

brook is a different story. brook isnt some nobody 13/5 player and weak defender. brook is actually an all-star calibur player. keeping him is fine.

people thinking thad young is worth 15-20 wins are off their rocker. Please go back to netsdaily if you are going to just slurp every net and pretend that thad is some lebron level impact player

No he doesn't. The Thad Young deal has been regarded league wide as good value for a productive player. His contract can be moved. He is not remotely keeping this team from doing ANYTHING. The cap is going to rise next year, and then BALLOON. You are being flat out dishonest. You have an agenda against the player, nothing more, nothing less.

You cannot use the Miami Heat as justification for your stance. The circumstances are not comparable.

The Celtics cannot be used as an example, and its kind of disappointing to see you use that after that clown enetric embarrassed himself by trying to throw that out there. The Celtics were assembled via two trades for a bevy of assets on TOP of them having a first ballot HOF SF on the roster!!!

The Cavs are not an example. Lebron wanted to go back to a team he had ties to...they already had a legit upper B tier player in place in Irving...the Cavs had assets in place to TRADE for Love...two #1 picked players from two straight drafts...you can't remotely even think that the Nets come close to that scenario.

Your stance is irrational. And you didn't respond to me pointing out the fact that the ONLY TWO players in the 2016 market who will be worth signing to the max slots you want available are Durant and Lebron. You somehow are deluded enough to believe that the Nets can entice BOTH players to come here from winning situations??

The fact that you even uttered Lebron's name a few posts back speaks volumes about how insane and unrealistic your stance is. This entire argument has just gone off the rails into outright fantasy. Having hopes for Durant...okay. Lebron AND Durant? Jesus christ dude.

[3pt_chucker]

Someone in their right minds think we can get LBJ and KD? lmaooo

This thread should've ended after post #9.

[Zachbretton]

Clearly there are two polarizing opinions on this topic that are not going to be resolved ANY time soon and arguing about it is silly.

I like signing Thad but I'm not going to sit here and deny that Prok's argument isn't valid. It is currently stopping us from signing 2 max players. I think we can trade him, but if we can't somehow, then he's not wrong.

It's all a matter of opinion and I just don't see anyone convincing anyone either way. I think this is a stupid thread and we all need to move on


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[3pt_chucker]

I would love to know who are these 2 max players Thad stops us from signing. No fantasy of LBJ and KD but realistic options. I don't see any.

[NyCeEvO]

Clearly there are two polarizing opinions on this topic that are not going to be resolved ANY time soon and arguing about it is silly.

I like signing Thad but I'm not going to sit here and deny that Prok's argument isn't valid. It is currently stopping us from signing 2 max players. I think we can trade him, but if we can't somehow, then he's not wrong.

It's all a matter of opinion and I just don't see anyone convincing anyone either way. I think this is a stupid thread and we all need to move on


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I've been saying this for months now.

There's validity to both sides of the argument even though I think the route the Nets have taken is the more wise one.

It's time to move on. We're beating a dead horse now.

[kerry kittles]

I would love to know who are these 2 max players Thad stops us from signing. No fantasy of LBJ and KD but realistic options. I don't see any.

Prok's side is if you reach for the stars and fall short you can acquire players on Thad's level. Example: Knicks signing Afflalo, Robin Lopez. Lakers absorbing Hibbert into their cap space.
That there is no guarantee we move Thad to create room - a serious injury or he just packs in after getting paid.

We're in between a rock and hard place because we don't control our picks moving forward. I think i've read the same arguments on here recycled countless times.

[CalamityX12]

[MrDollarBills]

Clearly there are two polarizing opinions on this topic that are not going to be resolved ANY time soon and arguing about it is silly.

I like signing Thad but I'm not going to sit here and deny that Prok's argument isn't valid. It is currently stopping us from signing 2 max players. I think we can trade him, but if we can't somehow, then he's not wrong.

It's all a matter of opinion and I just don't see anyone convincing anyone either way. I think this is a stupid thread and we all need to move on


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The Nets are set to have up to 40 mil in capspace and even more once the cap rises. It is an outright fallacy at this point to say that Thad is stopping the Nets from doing anything unless you're also of the opinion that the Nets have a chance at signing Lebron James and Kevin Durant next summer that's the entire core of Prok's argument...being able to sign Lebron and Durant. A fantasy.

I found it odd as to why he kept vehemently arguing in favor of having two max slots for a 2016 FA market that isn't really going to warrant signing two max players since most of the players in the market aren't exactly attractive options outside of Mike Conley, save for two players: Lebron and Durant.

This is why he avoided saying that outright because he would have been ridiculed for it...but vaguely saying "have enough for two max players" and not stating exactly who these two players are makes the argument legitimate. It isn't...nor is it feasible/realistic.

[MrDollarBills]

Someone in their right minds think we can get LBJ and KD? lmaooo

This thread should've ended after post #9.

I didn't realize he seriously believed that the Nets could lure both of those guys until he brought up Lebron's name...and then it clicked and I understood why he is so upset about Thad being retained

So basically the plan is a)clear as much space as possible to somehow convince Lebron and Durant to leave winning situations to come to a floundering Nets team, and if that fails b)sign a bunch of Thad-level players to a bunch of deals that would be probably MORE than what Thad is making now.

I'm not sure how anyone can look at that plan and find it to be of sound mind and logic.

[Paradise]

The plan makes sense if you land someone that will make Durant think twice about the other options around him. Yet, nobody that great is going to be available.

[Universe]

The plan makes sense if you land someone that will make Durant think twice about the other options around him. Yet, nobody that great is going to be available.

Tim Duncan was on the market for a bit this summer, but of course Billy King didn't even put in a call. That could have changed Durant's mind.

[NyCeEvO]

The plan makes sense if you land someone that will make Durant think twice about the other options around him. Yet, nobody that great is going to be available.

Tim Duncan was on the market for a bit this summer, but of course Billy King didn't even put in a call. That could have changed Durant's mind.

There's no way a 39yo Duncan who has been contemplating retirement for the last few seasons would attract Durant.

Durant would be look to pair up with a player in his prime to maximize the championship window.

[Universe]

The plan makes sense if you land someone that will make Durant think twice about the other options around him. Yet, nobody that great is going to be available.

Tim Duncan was on the market for a bit this summer, but of course Billy King didn't even put in a call. That could have changed Durant's mind.

There's no way a 39yo Duncan who has been contemplating retirement for the last few seasons would attract Durant.

Durant would be look to pair up with a player in his prime to maximize the championship window.

[Paradise]

The plan makes sense if you land someone that will make Durant think twice about the other options around him. Yet, nobody that great is going to be available.

Tim Duncan was on the market for a bit this summer, but of course Billy King didn't even put in a call. That could have changed Durant's mind.

There's no way a 39yo Duncan who has been contemplating retirement for the last few seasons would attract Durant.

Durant would be look to pair up with a player in his prime to maximize the championship window.

He was being sarcastic, bro lol

[Hello Brooklyn]

This argument needs to die. Everyone has said their peace already.

Personally, I think Thad is one of 3-5 talented players that we have on this roster, one of whom is very injury prone. If we had our draft pick this year then it would make sense to let him AND Lopez walk.

But the idea that we should let him leave to gift a pick to Boston is insane. And yes he would have an impact on this team. Because we literally have no one on our bench to replace him that even resembles a starter.

And the justification for it being "Well in 2016 Lebron in Durant are free agents." And maybe just maybe they would want to team up to one of the most horribly managed franchise in sports, which they have no ties too, whos only good player is a borderline all star injury prone big man in a league thats going small. This whole idea is (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

Maybe second tier free agents would look at us, but I don't care. I don't want to overpay anyone and let it be Joe Johnson Part II. I just want us to ride out this wave till 2019, then tank. Get some good draft picks, and draft a superstar. Cutting corners isn't gonna work anymore. Build a team organically.

Its an approach the Nets haven't taken in forever.

[Trader_Joe]

http://hoopshype.com/2015/07/19/the-great-big-myth-of-free-agency-2016/

There is the potential for 24 out of 30 teams looking to have an estimated $825 million in cap space. Many fans are wide-eyed by the idea of their favorite team having “lots of cap space” for the summer of 2016. After all, LeBron James and Kevin Durant are free agents next year.

Yet when you look closer… Beyond these two All-Stars, what is the talent level available? Will there be enough true talent for teams to spend at least $81 million?
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If you think you can land a restricted free agent, think again. The summer of 2015 proved one more time that restricted free agents are hard to get. Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard agreed to terms on the first day with Chicago and San Antonio. The next prized restricted free agent, Draymond Green, agreed to terms the following day with Golden State.
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So who has the advantage going into next summer?

Teams that spent money either retaining their own free agents or landing a key player this past summer already have an edge going into 2016.
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The free agent class of 2016 may end up being known as the summer of inflation. What no one is really talking about yet but should be is the class of the summer of 2017. That’s when the free agent class really overflows with talent. Stephen Curry, Chris Paul (PO), Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin (PO), Hayward (PO), Serge Ibaka, Rudy Gay (PO), Paul Millsap (PO) and Monroe (PO) just to name a few.

There will be much more talent to go around with a free agent class that is full of young stars with tremendous upsides. But can teams find a way to navigate the unpredictable waters of the much-hyped summer of 2016 to get the real treasure?

Bobby Marks was the Nets’ assistant general manager from 2010 to 2015. You can follow him on Twitter @bobbymarks42.

[kerry kittles]

Cap space won't mean a damn thing with Billy King running the show. The summer of 2016 should be the summer we rid ourselves of Billy King and head in a new direction.