Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland

[BeesWax]

Meh - half the playoff teams didn't have a 20 ppg scorer. Multiple efficient scorers in the teens can be really effective.

While I agree with the premise we don't have any proven efficient scorers. That is what scares me. We are hanging our hopes on guys who have not gotten there yet.

[Eoghan]

Judging trades/drafts/FA based upon future outcomes is flawed anyways. It's an outcome bias and doesn't indicate whether or not a decision was rooted in logic.

What's logical about trading a top ten pick and a starter for a guy on a 1 year deal coming off a bad year?

[Mystical Apples]

Judging trades/drafts/FA based upon future outcomes is flawed anyways. It's an outcome bias and doesn't indicate whether or not a decision was rooted in logic.

What's logical about trading a top ten pick and a starter for a guy on a 1 year deal coming off a bad year?

What's logical about trading an above average starter on a potential championship contender when that top 10 pick may never be good?

[MKGsMotor]

Judging trades/drafts/FA based upon future outcomes is flawed anyways. It's an outcome bias and doesn't indicate whether or not a decision was rooted in logic.

What's logical about trading a top ten pick and a starter for a guy on a 1 year deal coming off a bad year?

What's logical about trading an above average starter on a potential championship contender when that top 10 pick may never be good?

When that "championship contender" is getting worse yearly, just lost its star, and is about to rebuild. Very logical to me

[Mystical Apples]

What's logical about trading a top ten pick and a starter for a guy on a 1 year deal coming off a bad year?

What's logical about trading an above average starter on a potential championship contender when that top 10 pick may never be good?

When that "championship contender" is getting worse yearly, just lost its star, and is about to rebuild. Very logical to me

the trade happened before FA and Portland won 50 games last 2 years, which included Matthews missing time. Speculating how good/bad they'd be this year is like speculating Vonleh is going to good

[BlackOutBuzz]

We got the best player in the deal, IMO we "win" the deal if we can re-sign him. I was a huge Noah fan too, wanted him on the Hornets since watching him in high school. But at some point you've gotta consolidate assets to better fit the team

[MKGsMotor]

What's logical about trading an above average starter on a potential championship contender when that top 10 pick may never be good?

When that "championship contender" is getting worse yearly, just lost its star, and is about to rebuild. Very logical to me

the trade happened before FA and Portland won 50 games last 2 years, which included Matthews missing time. Speculating how good/bad they'd be this year is like speculating Vonleh is going to good

Yea but I'm sure they had a good idea which direction they were going this off season. LA sounded like he was never going to consider resigning. They had several other peices that would have been expensive to keep in order for them just to be worse next year. Trading for a top ten pick and a cheaper SG for a player likely to leave in 12 months is logical. It could work out for us as well, but if Batum leaves its bad, and that seems like a thing that will happen.

[JDR720]

we got the best player in the deal, but we also gave up the player with the highest ceiling. it basically comes down to who ends up the better player between current Nic and future Noah.

[Liver_Pooty]

I think Noah's ceiling is entirely overrated.

[Mystical Apples]

When that "championship contender" is getting worse yearly, just lost its star, and is about to rebuild. Very logical to me

the trade happened before FA and Portland won 50 games last 2 years, which included Matthews missing time. Speculating how good/bad they'd be this year is like speculating Vonleh is going to good

Yea but I'm sure they had a good idea which direction they were going this off season. LA sounded like he was never going to consider resigning. They had several other peices that would have been expensive to keep in order for them just to be worse next year. Trading for a top ten pick and a cheaper SG for a player likely to leave in 12 months is logical. It could work out for us as well, but if Batum leaves its bad, and that seems like a thing that will happen.

We don't know. But it's odd of the top 17 free agent salaries, 15 of the 17 stayed put. The 2 of the 17 that left were from Portland, who lost 4 of 5 starters from a 50+ win team and this all happened after the Batum trade. Could be cause. Could be effect.

[Mystical Apples]

I think Noah's ceiling is entirely overrated.

He has measurables but his athleticism is overrated. And he always seems like no one told him the play. It's like watching Michael Beasley who's in a perpetual state of confusion.

[Eoghan]

Judging trades/drafts/FA based upon future outcomes is flawed anyways. It's an outcome bias and doesn't indicate whether or not a decision was rooted in logic.

What's logical about trading a top ten pick and a starter for a guy on a 1 year deal coming off a bad year?

What's logical about trading an above average starter on a potential championship contender when that top 10 pick may never be good?

what championship contender, I thought we were talking about Portland? Did they relocate to the East?

[Mystical Apples]

What's logical about trading a top ten pick and a starter for a guy on a 1 year deal coming off a bad year?

What's logical about trading an above average starter on a potential championship contender when that top 10 pick may never be good?

what championship contender, I thought we were talking about Portland? Did they relocate to the East?

Ha - no team preemptively starts a dismantle on a 50 win team with all starters under 30. I'd blame Allen before Olshey on that.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Cho was really hamstrung this offseason. A gaping hole on the wing, no cap space, and no viable options in the draft (yeah, yeah I loved Winslow too, but he'd only compound our spacing issues). And Cho is certainly on a one-year timetable to get back to the playoffs.

Can't do that without a 3-point threat in the starting lineup. So his only option was to trade. Lance/Hendo/Vonleh became Batum/Lamb/Hawes, and then he took the best shooter in the draft at 9.

Losing Vonleh sucks, but you're not gonna get a player like Batum without giving up some value.

[BlackOutBuzz]

But it's odd of the top 17 free agent salaries, 15 of the 17 stayed put.

Cool stat. Makes me feel better about bringing back Batum as well.

[therebirth]

Didn't the assistant GM mention that he told batam he was gonna find a way to get him here? I think they are are pretty sure he will resign. I'm just afraid that vonleh is going to turn into a monster.

[catch20two]

We're obsessed with role players. When are we gonna get or groom somebody that can score over 20ppg as a go-to guy? Batum barely moves the needle for me outside of the fact that he can and will take 3s unlike Hendo.

I mean, teams aren't exactly willing to just give up All-Star talent.

That's why I said groom one. We had some hope with Vonleh but now we don't. We know what Batum is. We gotta hope MKG pull a Jimmy Butler which is possible but he gonna need to breathe in a triple bag of confidence over the summer and add some range for that to happen.

[Mystical Apples]

We're obsessed with role players. When are we gonna get or groom somebody that can score over 20ppg as a go-to guy? Batum barely moves the needle for me outside of the fact that he can and will take 3s unlike Hendo.

I mean, teams aren't exactly willing to just give up All-Star talent.

That's why I said groom one. We had some hope with Vonleh but now we don't. We know what Batum is. We gotta hope MKG pull a Jimmy Butler which is possible but he gonna need to breathe in a triple bag of confidence over the summer and add some range for that to happen.

There's something about Marquette junior/senior wings the NBA perpetually under-values

[LofJ]

I mean, teams aren't exactly willing to just give up All-Star talent.

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That's why I said groom one. We had some hope with Vonleh but now we don't. We know what Batum is. We gotta hope MKG pull a Jimmy Butler which is possible but he gonna need to breathe in a triple bag of confidence over the summer and add some range for that to happen.

There's something about Marquette junior/senior wings the NBA perpetually under-values

Right on Wade, Butler, and Crowder were all undervalued. Wade not as much because he was still the 5th pick, but he is clearly the 2nd best player from that draft.

[Mystical Apples]

m
That's why I said groom one. We had some hope with Vonleh but now we don't. We know what Batum is. We gotta hope MKG pull a Jimmy Butler which is possible but he gonna need to breathe in a triple bag of confidence over the summer and add some range for that to happen.

There's something about Marquette junior/senior wings the NBA perpetually under-values

Right on Wade, Butler, and Crowder were all undervalued. Wade not as much because he was still the 5th pick, but he is clearly the 2nd best player from that draft.

Undrafted Wesley Matthews. Even Steve Novak hanging around