Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[Puff]

He is supposedly a superstar, a guy like that in his prime should not miss the playoffs regardless of his roster. Chris Paul hauled some horrible Hornet teams to the 2nd round, LeBron dragged a complete joke of a Cavs deep on several deep playoff runs.

Please stop praising Chris Paul. It burns my eyes.

Chris Paul is garbage. He is not on the level of great players like Bryant, or Steve Nash(Sorry had to throw in a 2nd player so I didn't feel dirty speaking positively of Bryant).

Chris Paul has done nothing in the league. All players he's played with that looked good with him, had success and shown to be good with out him.
The NOH teams that Chris Paul lead to mediocrity were not terrible aside from him. He had teams that had David West & Tyson Chandler in the starting line-up, and other good players like Peja. Now I am not implying that those guys are superstars, but those are guys that you combine with true great players and can do some damage in the league.
Chris Paul just this year lost to a Houston Rockets team that is James Harden and nothing. Ok and Dwight Howard, but is Howard even better than DeAndre "no 5" Jordan?
Paul is the most B plus-iest player I have ever seen that has been regarded as a great player.

I don't know. Valid points, but I'd probably take Chris Paul over Kobe. Kobe didn't go anywhere unless he was playing Shaq (one of the best bigs ever) or a combination of Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom...both VERY good players...Bynum wasn't a scrub either. Also MWP and Fisher and Horry both had the super clutch factor...way more than Kobe did.

When Paul left the the Hornets, they won the lottery, and when he got to the Clips, he took a team that NEVER made the playoffs to the second round a few times. He has horribly choked the last two years though in two crucial games, so it's tough. I thought two years ago was a fluke, and I actually didn't watch this year's Houston blowout game so I don't know if it's his fault.

I think Chris Paul is a pretty good leader though, and I think Kobe is an awful one.

Think about this

Steve Nash is wildly regarded as a great leader and was responsible for much of our success during 7SOL.

If Steve would have played for the Lakers and Phil Jackson, with Kobe and Shaq, he probably would have either come off the bench or had a secondary role in the triangle at best. Steve would have never been given the opportunity to become the player he did under MDA and 7 SOL. My bet is that Phil hesitated on coming to the Lakers after they fired Mike Brown due to not wanting Nash on that roster. Enter MDA, who in the end could not connect with ISO ball, Kobe. Gasol and Howard style.

[blacksun]

For those of you scoring at home, @SonnyWeems13 will wear No. 10, @Teletovic33 will wear No. 35 and Ronnie Price will wear No. 14 for @Suns.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Espo/status/622163652162949120

Do you guys think well be retiring #13 soon?

[Flying Colors]

For those of you scoring at home, @SonnyWeems13 will wear No. 10, @Teletovic33 will wear No. 35 and Ronnie Price will wear No. 14 for @Suns.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Espo/status/622163652162949120

Do you guys think well be retiring #13 soon?

within the next 3 years i bet

[letsgosuns]

Kobe Bryant is the best player I have ever seen in person besides Michael Jordan. It is not even close. I have seen Lebron a couple times but I have never feared him the way I feared Kobe in his prime. I used to watch Kobe and say how can you possibly stop this guy. He is phenomenal.

People that are saying he did not do much without Shaq and Gasol, think about this. What did Gasol ever do before he teamed with Kobe? Nothing. Never even won a playoff game. Now Shaq was always awesome but he had his greatest success by far with Kobe, not without him. Kobe led two horrible teams to the playoffs in the West in 2006 and 2007. Those teams were atrocious. That Lakers team started Kobe, Odom, Smush Parker, Luke Walton, and Kwame Brown. Talk about terrible. Besides Kobe, only Odom was a good player. The Lakers team in 2009 that won the finals started Kobe, Fisher, Ariza, Gasol, and Bynum. Not one starter from the 2006 team besides Kobe. In addition, Kobe reached the finals three straight times at two different times in his career. He won 5 of 6 championships. How many players can say that about their careers.

When it comes to Chris Paul, I think he is really good, but not a superstar. He is an all-star and can have superstar games, but I do not put him up there with the true superstars in the league. He is definitely a top five point guard. I would never in a million years take him over Kobe though. I do not even consider Paul a great leader. He had that really poor relationship with DeAndre Jordan that was a huge catalyst in Jordan almost leaving in the first place. Blake Griffin become a better player while Paul was out injured. Paul is really good, but so far in his career, he has never even won a second round series, and that does not bode well for his resume.

[Two Time]

He is supposedly a superstar, a guy like that in his prime should not miss the playoffs regardless of his roster. Chris Paul hauled some horrible Hornet teams to the 2nd round, LeBron dragged a complete joke of a Cavs deep on several deep playoff runs.

Please stop praising Chris Paul. It burns my eyes.

Chris Paul is garbage. He is not on the level of great players like Bryant, or Steve Nash(Sorry had to throw in a 2nd player so I didn't feel dirty speaking positively of Bryant).

Chris Paul has done nothing in the league. All players he's played with that looked good with him, had success and shown to be good with out him.
The NOH teams that Chris Paul lead to mediocrity were not terrible aside from him. He had teams that had David West & Tyson Chandler in the starting line-up, and other good players like Peja. Now I am not implying that those guys are superstars, but those are guys that you combine with true great players and can do some damage in the league.
Chris Paul just this year lost to a Houston Rockets team that is James Harden and nothing. Ok and Dwight Howard, but is Howard even better than DeAndre "no 5" Jordan?
Paul is the most B plus-iest player I have ever seen that has been regarded as a great player.

I don't know. Valid points, but I'd probably take Chris Paul over Kobe. Kobe didn't go anywhere unless he was playing Shaq (one of the best bigs ever) or a combination of Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom...both VERY good players...Bynum wasn't a scrub either. Also MWP and Fisher and Horry both had the super clutch factor...way more than Kobe did.

When Paul left the the Hornets, they won the lottery, and when he got to the Clips, he took a team that NEVER made the playoffs to the second round a few times. He has horribly choked the last two years though in two crucial games, so it's tough. I thought two years ago was a fluke, and I actually didn't watch this year's Houston blowout game so I don't know if it's his fault.

I think Chris Paul is a pretty good leader though, and I think Kobe is an awful one.

Sir, I love your Kobe hate. It makes my heart happy.
I will say I wish Paul coulda subbed in for Bryant in the '10 WCF's. I would have liked the Suns chances much more.

[blacksun]

Yup there's no comparing Paul to Kobe because Kobe is in another level altogether, as painful as it is for us suns fans to admit.

[bwgood77]

Kobe Bryant is the best player I have ever seen in person besides Michael Jordan. It is not even close. I have seen Lebron a couple times but I have never feared him the way I feared Kobe in his prime. I used to watch Kobe and say how can you possibly stop this guy. He is phenomenal.

People that are saying he did not do much without Shaq and Gasol, think about this. What did Gasol ever do before he teamed with Kobe? Nothing. Never even won a playoff game. Now Shaq was always awesome but he had his greatest success by far with Kobe, not without him. Kobe led two horrible teams to the playoffs in the West in 2006 and 2007. Those teams were atrocious. That Lakers team started Kobe, Odom, Smush Parker, Luke Walton, and Kwame Brown. Talk about terrible. Besides Kobe, only Odom was a good player. The Lakers team in 2009 that won the finals started Kobe, Fisher, Ariza, Gasol, and Bynum. Not one starter from the 2006 team besides Kobe. In addition, Kobe reached the finals three straight times at two different times in his career. He won 5 of 6 championships. How many players can say that about their careers.

When it comes to Chris Paul, I think he is really good, but not a superstar. He is an all-star and can have superstar games, but I do not put him up there with the true superstars in the league. He is definitely a top five point guard. I would never in a million years take him over Kobe though. I do not even consider Paul a great leader. He had that really poor relationship with DeAndre Jordan that was a huge catalyst in Jordan almost leaving in the first place. Blake Griffin become a better player while Paul was out injured. Paul is really good, but so far in his career, he has never even won a second round series, and that does not bode well for his resume.

I said it's tough, but when you say Pau never did anything, you are somewhat right, just like Kobe never did anything without Pau (or Shaq). Pau got to the first round and eliminated with Memphis just like Kobe did without him or Shaq with the Lakers. Kobe even missed the playoffs once. I seriously doubt LeBron would miss the playoffs. Now Kobe vs Paul is debatable, and most would take Kobe's side, but LeBron is clearly on a different level than Kobe, regardless of how many would side with Kobe.

[bwgood77]

Sir, I love your Kobe hate. It makes my heart happy.
I will say I wish Paul coulda subbed in for Bryant in the '10 WCF's. I would have liked the Suns chances much more.

I would have hated that. Bryant wasn't that great, and Paul would have utilized the bigs much better to likely destroy us. Part of the reason Paul has failed is his bigs are young. Gasol and Odom were not at that time. They were savvy vets. Bynum was young, but he didn't play in their best lineups.

[letsgosuns]

Kobe Bryant is the best player I have ever seen in person besides Michael Jordan. It is not even close. I have seen Lebron a couple times but I have never feared him the way I feared Kobe in his prime. I used to watch Kobe and say how can you possibly stop this guy. He is phenomenal.

People that are saying he did not do much without Shaq and Gasol, think about this. What did Gasol ever do before he teamed with Kobe? Nothing. Never even won a playoff game. Now Shaq was always awesome but he had his greatest success by far with Kobe, not without him. Kobe led two horrible teams to the playoffs in the West in 2006 and 2007. Those teams were atrocious. That Lakers team started Kobe, Odom, Smush Parker, Luke Walton, and Kwame Brown. Talk about terrible. Besides Kobe, only Odom was a good player. The Lakers team in 2009 that won the finals started Kobe, Fisher, Ariza, Gasol, and Bynum. Not one starter from the 2006 team besides Kobe. In addition, Kobe reached the finals three straight times at two different times in his career. He won 5 of 6 championships. How many players can say that about their careers.

When it comes to Chris Paul, I think he is really good, but not a superstar. He is an all-star and can have superstar games, but I do not put him up there with the true superstars in the league. He is definitely a top five point guard. I would never in a million years take him over Kobe though. I do not even consider Paul a great leader. He had that really poor relationship with DeAndre Jordan that was a huge catalyst in Jordan almost leaving in the first place. Blake Griffin become a better player while Paul was out injured. Paul is really good, but so far in his career, he has never even won a second round series, and that does not bode well for his resume.

I said it's tough, but when you say Pau never did anything, you are somewhat right, just like Kobe never did anything without Pau (or Shaq). Pau got to the first round and eliminated with Memphis just like Kobe did without him or Shaq with the Lakers. Kobe even missed the playoffs once. I seriously doubt LeBron would miss the playoffs. Now Kobe vs Paul is debatable, and most would take Kobe's side, but LeBron is clearly on a different level than Kobe, regardless of how many would side with Kobe.

Idk how you can compare Kobe's Lakers rosters in 2006 and 2007 to Gasol's Grizzlies rosters at all. The Grizzlies rosters had several good players and were top defensive teams. The 2004-05 team alone had Gasol, Shane Battier, James Posey, Mike Miller, Jason Williams (when he was still decent), and a bunch of other guys like Bonzi Wells and Brian Cardinal. How can you compare that to Luke Walton, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown? There is no way. Gasol had legitimately really good players around him on good Grizzlies teams and never won a single playoff game. Kobe was able to take a team with a bunch of awful players and had the Lakers up 3-1 on a far superior Suns team in 2006. That is remarkable and a testament to how amazing Kobe has been during his career. He led the league in scoring in 2006 and 2007 too. He was also 1st team All NBA and 1st team All Defense both those years as well. I would not call that doing nothing without Pau or Shaq.

Also, Lebron has always played in the East and the East has been horrible his whole career so far. And It looks like that trend is continuing this year. If you put a prime Kobe on the same teams that Lebron had in Miami and this year in Cleveland, especially in the East, and he will make the finals easily just like Lebron has the past five years. No doubt. That conference is horrible.

[bwgood77]

Kobe Bryant is the best player I have ever seen in person besides Michael Jordan. It is not even close. I have seen Lebron a couple times but I have never feared him the way I feared Kobe in his prime. I used to watch Kobe and say how can you possibly stop this guy. He is phenomenal.

People that are saying he did not do much without Shaq and Gasol, think about this. What did Gasol ever do before he teamed with Kobe? Nothing. Never even won a playoff game. Now Shaq was always awesome but he had his greatest success by far with Kobe, not without him. Kobe led two horrible teams to the playoffs in the West in 2006 and 2007. Those teams were atrocious. That Lakers team started Kobe, Odom, Smush Parker, Luke Walton, and Kwame Brown. Talk about terrible. Besides Kobe, only Odom was a good player. The Lakers team in 2009 that won the finals started Kobe, Fisher, Ariza, Gasol, and Bynum. Not one starter from the 2006 team besides Kobe. In addition, Kobe reached the finals three straight times at two different times in his career. He won 5 of 6 championships. How many players can say that about their careers.

When it comes to Chris Paul, I think he is really good, but not a superstar. He is an all-star and can have superstar games, but I do not put him up there with the true superstars in the league. He is definitely a top five point guard. I would never in a million years take him over Kobe though. I do not even consider Paul a great leader. He had that really poor relationship with DeAndre Jordan that was a huge catalyst in Jordan almost leaving in the first place. Blake Griffin become a better player while Paul was out injured. Paul is really good, but so far in his career, he has never even won a second round series, and that does not bode well for his resume.

I said it's tough, but when you say Pau never did anything, you are somewhat right, just like Kobe never did anything without Pau (or Shaq). Pau got to the first round and eliminated with Memphis just like Kobe did without him or Shaq with the Lakers. Kobe even missed the playoffs once. I seriously doubt LeBron would miss the playoffs. Now Kobe vs Paul is debatable, and most would take Kobe's side, but LeBron is clearly on a different level than Kobe, regardless of how many would side with Kobe.

Idk how you can compare Kobe's Lakers rosters in 2006 and 2007 to Gasol's Grizzlies rosters at all. The Grizzlies rosters had several good players and were top defensive teams. The 2004-05 team alone had Gasol, Shane Battier, James Posey, Mike Miller, Jason Williams (when he was still decent), and a bunch of other guys like Bonzi Wells and Brian Cardinal. How can you compare that to Luke Walton, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown? There is no way. Gasol had legitimately really good players around him on good Grizzlies teams and never won a single playoff game. Kobe was able to take a team with a bunch of awful players and had the Lakers up 3-1 on a far superior Suns team in 2006. That is remarkable and a testament to how amazing Kobe has been during his career. He led the league in scoring in 2006 and 2007 too. He was also 1st team All NBA and 1st team All Defense both those years as well. I would not call that doing nothing without Pau or Shaq.

Also, Lebron has always played in the East and the East has been horrible his whole career so far. And It looks like that trend is continuing this year. If you put a prime Kobe on the same teams that Lebron had in Miami and this year in Cleveland, especially in the East, and he will make the finals easily just like Lebron has the past five years. No doubt. That conference is horrible.

OK, I might agree with your good points in the first paragraph, and even your first two sentences in the second one. But Kobe on any of those teams that made the finals...doubtful..I can''t remember the specifics of every year, but there is NO WAY he does as well as LeBron. LeBron is basicallly a 6'9 point forward who runs the offense, can hit 3s at a high rate, and can rebound and play as good as defense as anyone. He is in a different world than Kobe. Kobe jacks up shots, and is a decent passer when he decides to be. LeBron can do everything.

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[jcsunsfan]

I said it's tough, but when you say Pau never did anything, you are somewhat right, just like Kobe never did anything without Pau (or Shaq). Pau got to the first round and eliminated with Memphis just like Kobe did without him or Shaq with the Lakers. Kobe even missed the playoffs once. I seriously doubt LeBron would miss the playoffs. Now Kobe vs Paul is debatable, and most would take Kobe's side, but LeBron is clearly on a different level than Kobe, regardless of how many would side with Kobe.

Idk how you can compare Kobe's Lakers rosters in 2006 and 2007 to Gasol's Grizzlies rosters at all. The Grizzlies rosters had several good players and were top defensive teams. The 2004-05 team alone had Gasol, Shane Battier, James Posey, Mike Miller, Jason Williams (when he was still decent), and a bunch of other guys like Bonzi Wells and Brian Cardinal. How can you compare that to Luke Walton, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown? There is no way. Gasol had legitimately really good players around him on good Grizzlies teams and never won a single playoff game. Kobe was able to take a team with a bunch of awful players and had the Lakers up 3-1 on a far superior Suns team in 2006. That is remarkable and a testament to how amazing Kobe has been during his career. He led the league in scoring in 2006 and 2007 too. He was also 1st team All NBA and 1st team All Defense both those years as well. I would not call that doing nothing without Pau or Shaq.

Also, Lebron has always played in the East and the East has been horrible his whole career so far. And It looks like that trend is continuing this year. If you put a prime Kobe on the same teams that Lebron had in Miami and this year in Cleveland, especially in the East, and he will make the finals easily just like Lebron has the past five years. No doubt. That conference is horrible.

OK, I might agree with your good points in the first paragraph, and even your first two sentences in the second one. But Kobe on any of those teams that made the finals...doubtful..I can''t remember the specifics of every year, but there is NO WAY he does as well as LeBron. LeBron is basicallly a 6'9 point forward who runs the offense, can hit 3s at a high rate, and can rebound and play as good as defense as anyone. He is in a different world than Kobe. Kobe jacks up shots, and is a decent passer when he decides to be. LeBron can do everything.

Kobe in his prime was a prime time assassin the LeBron will never be.

[bwgood77]

Kobe in his prime was a prime time assassin the LeBron will never be.

Agreed. LeBron is more of the director of the assassin squad. Bigger and more important than the actual assassin.

[gaspar]

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[nevetsov]

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Is that Kieff working out with Rasheed and the Pistons? Man, just trade this guy for Ilyasova and a pick already...

[NTB]

Rasheed is not working with Pistons after SVG came. He is just wearing a Pistons shirt lol.

Nice to see Kieff working on low post game but couldn't he find someone has been known for his post defense to work with?

[NTB]

The Suns have waived guard Jerel McNeal. McNeal played in six games with the Suns in 2014-15, totaling nine points in 36 minutes after initially signing with the team on April 1.

suns.com

Nice

[nevetsov]

Rasheed is not working with Pistons after SVG came. He is just wearing a Pistons shirt lol.

Nice to see Kieff working on low post game but couldn't he find someone has been known for his post defense to work with?

Every time I see a current pic of Rasheed, he's always wearing Pistons gear. Is he so broke now that he can't afford to buy normal clothes?

[nevetsov]

The Suns have waived guard Jerel McNeal. McNeal played in six games with the Suns in 2014-15, totaling nine points in 36 minutes after initially signing with the team on April 1.

suns.com

Nice

So our depth chart is now:

Bledsoe, Knight/Goodwin, Price
Knight/Goodwin, Weems, Booker
Tucker, Warren
Morris, Teletovic, Leuer
Chandler, Len

*Guard rotation adjusted to accommodate dual PG starters.

Perhaps Leuer becomes 3rd string C and we sign Harrellson?

[NTB]

Rasheed is not working with Pistons after SVG came. He is just wearing a Pistons shirt lol.

Nice to see Kieff working on low post game but couldn't he find someone has been known for his post defense to work with?

Every time I see a current pic of Rasheed, he's always wearing Pistons gear. Is he so broke now that he can't afford to buy normal clothes?

Maybe a diehard Pistons fan?