Prospects and trade discussion

Neddy · Post #121 » by **Neddy** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:38 pm

buehler needs tommyjohn. of course...

Ranma · Post #122 » by **Ranma** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:58 pm

Neddy wrote:buehler needs tommyjohn. of course...

Well, at least the Dodgers signed him to a cheaper deal because of it, but yeah, not cool.

Ranma · Post #123 » by **Ranma** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:08 pm

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Ranma · Post #124 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:46 am

I'm not opposed to acquiring Cole Hamels, depending on the cost, but I'd rather come away with both David Price and Johnny Cueto by the trade deadline if the Tigers will indeed join the Reds as sellers.

Bob Nightengale, USA Today Sports (7/20/15)

The Tigers, barring a veto from owner Mike Ilitch, are going to surrender and be sellers within the next 10 days at the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline.

For the first time since 2008, the Tigers have no choice but to inform teams that two of their marquee commodities will be dealt by the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline.

The Tigers, according to several people inside and outside the organization familiar with their strategy, plan to put ace David Price and power-hitting outfielder Yoenis Cespedes on the trade market.

Tigers Face New Reality: They're Ready to Sell at Trade Deadline

Neddy · Post #125 » by **Neddy** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:11 am

Ranma wrote:I'm not opposed to acquiring Cole Hamels, depending on the cost, but I'd rather come away with both David Price and Johnny Cueto by the trade deadline if the Tigers will indeed join the Reds as sellers.

Bob Nightengale, USA Today Sports (7/20/15)
The Tigers, barring a veto from owner Mike Ilitch, are going to surrender and be sellers within the next 10 days at the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline.

For the first time since 2008, the Tigers have no choice but to inform teams that two of their marquee commodities will be dealt by the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline.

The Tigers, according to several people inside and outside the organization familiar with their strategy, plan to put ace David Price and power-hitting outfielder Yoenis Cespedes on the trade market.

Tigers Face New Reality: They're Ready to Sell at Trade Deadline

if the price is say, Lee and Schebler, and maybe a couple of AAA bullpen arms like Ravin for Price and Wieland Torreyes, and possibly a couple of B level prospects in the low minors for Cueto, I would love it.

Quake Griffin · Post #126 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:45 am

Ranma wrote:I'm not opposed to acquiring Cole Hamels, depending on the cost, but I'd rather come away with both David Price and Johnny Cueto by the trade deadline if the Tigers will indeed join the Reds as sellers.

Bob Nightengale, USA Today Sports (7/20/15)
The Tigers, barring a veto from owner Mike Ilitch, are going to surrender and be sellers within the next 10 days at the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline.

For the first time since 2008, the Tigers have no choice but to inform teams that two of their marquee commodities will be dealt by the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline.

The Tigers, according to several people inside and outside the organization familiar with their strategy, plan to put ace David Price and power-hitting outfielder Yoenis Cespedes on the trade market.

Tigers Face New Reality: They're Ready to Sell at Trade Deadline

becoming less and less enamored with the idea of trading for Hamels because of the price tag.
I want this organization to stick with what they said they would do when they got here and that's building a "pipeline" from the minors to the majors. Our new FO has done great job adding more depth to our farm but for now, it's still a little top heavy until some of these younger island players begin to develop. I'm not interested in giving up significant pieces to bring him in.

I'm thinking of the 2011 Phillies. Trade for Halladay. Sign Cliff. Deal for Oswalt. Never worked out. We have some more work to do down below before we can call ourselves ready to deal for a guy like Cole.

Isn't Price a choke in the postseason? Meh.

Ranma · Post #127 » by **Ranma** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:34 am

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Quake Griffin · Post #128 » by **Quake Griffin** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:20 am

http://www.dodgersnation.com/dodgers-trade-rumors-cole-hamels-deal-package-may-not-require-corey-seager-julio-urias/2015/07/22

So apparently Jayson Stark is saying that it might not require Seager and Urias for Hamels but it's going to require some depth (6 players)….

DeLeon looks promising. Holmes shot up the charts but I doubt he ever becomes a top of the line starter.
I'm iffy on whether or not I want to give up 6 players.
Bright side: they aren't Seager and Urias…or Yadier Alvarez

Ranma · Post #129 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:42 am

I'm okay with giving up 6 prospects--I'm actually in favor of it--as long as the quality of those prospects are lowered, which I doubt is what the Phillies have in mind. I wouldn't give up 6 quality prospects for Hamels, so Philadelphia can try to see if they can get that package elsewhere. Teams value cost-controlled young talent more than ever and Ned Colletti is no longer at the helm of the Dodgers' front office.

Urias, Seager, and Alvarez are untouchable. DeLeon, Leon, Barnes, and Lee are prospects we should hold onto. I'm fine with giving up from a pool of Holmes, Anderson, Verdugo, Sweeney, Stripling, Wieland, Schebler, and Guerrero if we can get back both David Price and Johnny Cueto. The Phillies' asking price continues to remain steep and I'd rather pursue deals with the Reds and Tigers, anyway. Even Scott Kazmir from Oakland looks like a more promising opportunity in terms of value.

Ranma · Post #130 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:12 am

For some reason, there seems to be increased fan chatter over Jayson Stark's prediction last month that the Dodgers would get both Cueto and Chapman from the Reds. Also, David Vassegh just tweeted out that David Price was looking forward to coming to L.A. presumably when Friedman was asking for Pederson, Seager, and Urias on behalf of the Rays when he was their GM. Apparently, those feelings haven't changed or have been rekindled this time around for the upcoming trade deadline with Friedman now on the other end as President of Baseball Operations for the Dodgers.

Getting that pitching trio to go along with our trinity of Kershaw, Greinke, and Jansen would be downright filthy and the the best-case scenario, in my opinion. This assumes, of course, that we wouldn't give up Seager and Urias or any of DeLeon, Leon, Lee, and Barnes. I believe Alvarez along with the other recent international signings and draft selections would be ineligible to be traded given that enough time has not elapsed since their respective arrivals.

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Jayson Stark, ESPN (6/18/15)

Johnny Cueto, RHP, Reds

Cueto threw a scare into the pre-deadline shopping crowd by missing a start last month with a tender elbow. But he has a 2.84 ERA in four starts since, with a 26-4 strikeout-to-walk ratio. So if he keeps that up for the next month, he'll be a huge attraction with the rent-an-ace crowd.

A bunch of teams that have checked in report the Reds are hanging on to Cueto and their other prominent trade chips until the All-Star Game has come and gone. But after that, they're looking for what one NL exec described as "big-time, top-of-the-heap prospects" in return. And given that the Rays didn't even get that sort of haul last year for David Price, who had a season and a half of control remaining, it'll be interesting to see if someone is willing to pay that freight.

Our prediction: Cueto lands with the pitching-hungry Dodgers on July 28.
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Aroldis Chapman, LHP, Reds

Since we're on a closer roll, we can't overlook the best of them all. On one hand, Chapman is the only closer out there whom other teams drool over. And unlike Papelbon, who can block deals to 17 teams, Chapman has no control over where he ends up. So it won't be just clubs looking for pure closers that have interest.

On the other hand, the Reds have all major deals on hold for another four weeks, until after the All-Star Game. So teams in need of immediate help might not be able to wait that long. Nevertheless, he's a dominator who can't be a free agent until after 2016. And "he's on the short list of the very best guys out there," said one of the execs quoted earlier. So next to Hamels, he might be the biggest difference-maker on the shelves next month.

Our prediction: Gets traded to the Dodgers to form a scary, late-inning, swing-and-miss tag team with Jansen.

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Ranma · Post #131 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:25 pm

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Ranma wrote:Jonah Keri, Grantland (10/15/14)
Add it all up, and it might take a year to see the full ramifications of Friedman’s hiring. Maddon would be a free agent at that point, and another disappointing season in L.A. could prompt the Dodgers to pursue him then, if not sooner. Price also becomes eligible for free agency after the 2015 season, and sources say he has quietly expressed an interest in becoming a Dodger. So, too, has Giancarlo Stanton, the Marlins slugger who’s rebuffed overtures to sign an extension in Miami, becomes free agency–eligible after 2016, and could be trade bait before that.

The Friedman Effect: What’s Next for the Dodgers and Rays?

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Ranma · Post #132 » by **Ranma** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:10 pm

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I'm concerned with the cost it would take to get Hamels, especially after his no-hitter, but I'm fine with Cueto going to the Royals. I believe since he can't be offered a qualifying offer as an impending UFA, it won't cost the Dodgers a draft pick to sign him as a free agent. Plus, I don't think I would want to match the prospects package the Royals gave up for Cueto.

Quake Griffin · Post #133 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:43 pm

I like Price. Shouldn't cost us as much as Cole. Read he was excited about coming here last season when we were discussing him.
Younger than Hamels as well.

I'm not ready to mortgage our future….for ages 32-37 for someone.

I'm looking at it now. We're boom or bust in this market. Teams either want Seager and Urias or they want a haul. Either way that's a blow to us because even though we're deeper down under, we're not as deep as we can be. Lose Seager and Urias? the top end talent isn't that great down low. Give up 5 or 6 players? and our farm is incredibly top heavy and there's not much there but 16-18 year olds.

I'd put my chips in the Price basket to minimize losing a lot plus he'd probably re-sign here when Greinke opts out.

Neddy · Post #134 » by **Neddy** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:41 pm

man, first of all, I feel like the reds made out like bandits out of this. Cueto is a rental without a compensation pick, and they got Finnigan, the first rounder from 2014 who already showed what he can do when it counts the most in playoffs, then they got Cody Reed... these two kids are under 23. John Lamb is basically a lefty version of Zach Lee. once a top notch prospect who did not develop at the pace as expected, but this year down in AAA, he has been lights out. he is ready. I just wonder which one of the trio failed the physical initially. I see Lamb in the rotation before the season is over for the Reds.

secondly, glad we didn't outbid KC. as Ranma pointed out, we can grab Cueto during this offseason without losing a compensation pick. but now I am afraid of what the price is for Hamels is. it has got to be more than Lee+Holmes+Anderson by now. I would hate to lose 4 plus-pitching prospects or one of the remaining two top cards.

Neddy · Post #135 » by **Neddy** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:50 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:I like Price. Shouldn't cost us as much as Cole. Read he was excited about coming here last season when we were discussing him.
Younger than Hamels as well.

I'm not ready to mortgage our future….for ages 32-37 for someone.

I'm looking at it now. We're boom or bust in this market. Teams either want Seager and Urias or they want a haul. Either way that's a blow to us because even though we're deeper down under, we're not as deep as we can be. Lose Seager and Urias? the top end talent isn't that great down low. Give up 5 or 6 players? and our farm is incredibly top heavy and there's not much there but 16-18 year olds.

I'd put my chips in the Price basket to minimize losing a lot plus he'd probably re-sign here when Greinke opts out.

if the price for Price is pricey, I say no. but the price being say, Lee, Wieland, and one of Sweeney/Uter/Bellinger, I have no problem as the 1st base is locked for years with Gonzo, and second base having limitless options next year from Oliveras, Guerrero/Turner, resigning Kendrick, or even Austin Barnes.

Quake Griffin · Post #136 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:47 am

My betting money is that we get Hamels and that Puig is involved in the deal.

Ranma · Post #137 » by **Ranma** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:41 am

Yeah, I'm a little concerned that the pressures and perception of having to make a deal will result in the Dodgers overpaying for a pitcher. Price remains my top target, but I hope the organization sticks to its guns. I'd rather just settle for Gallardo to take the spot behind Kershaw and Greinke instead of selling the farm for a rental or even Hamels. This way we can just pursue Price and Cueto when they become free agents. With our spending power and appeal, we shouldn't have trouble luring prospects. The only danger is having to commit to a long-term contract that extends too far past the age of 35. While I no longer think Puig is untouchable, I can't see the front office giving up on him just yet. I have tentative faith that Friedman, Zaidi, et al will do what's right.

Ranma · Post #138 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:03 am

Color me surprised. Looks like you might be right, Quake. Although, it sounds like the Astros, Rangers, and D-Backs may be ahead of us in the running for Cole Hamels. I suspect Puig is being used as bait more for a deal with the Mets in exchange for one of their fine young pitchers (Harvey, deGrom, or Syndergaard) instead of Hamels. It also seems like we're concentrating our efforts on David Price as the top target for an elite starter this season even though he's technically not yet available.

Quake Griffin wrote:My betting money is that we get Hamels and that Puig is involved in the deal.

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Ranma · Post #139 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:56 pm

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Quake Griffin · Post #140 » by **Quake Griffin** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:49 am

not a fan of Puig's latest comments.

wish he'd say something to the tune of wanting to be here.