30 Point Threshold - Noah Vonleh Thread

[yosemiteben]

I like to think of the trade as Batum for Vonleh...since I was hoping Hendo would opt out anyway.

I think must of us do the same, though it's definitely unfair to Hendo. He was not a good fit in our starting line-up, but he definitely has value.

[BigSlam]

Where does freshman Vonleh even get drafted in 2015?

Based on a guys like Portis, Martin and McCullough - mid to late 1st round?

[Mystical Apples]

Where does freshman Vonleh even get drafted in 2015?

Based on a guys like Portis, Martin and McCullough - mid to late 1st round?

I'd say best case is first big after Lyles. But does he for sure go before 6'9" Dekker or Portis?

[Hornet Mania]

Where does freshman Vonleh even get drafted in 2015?

Last year's draft was allegedly stacked (although the hype sort of tapered off as the summer approached) and he was considered a top-5 prospect. That designation is sort of misleading though because about 7 guys every draft cycle are tagged as top-5 prospects.

Assuming Vonleh's hype in 2015 would be the same as it was in 2014 he'd be in the Hezonja/Johnson/Winslow/WCS group. Solidly second-tier behind the obvious first four picks plus Mudiay. That's where he was last year as well, after Wiggins/Parker/Embiid the next tier was Gordon/Randle/Vonleh/Smart and their draft order came down to team need and personal preference of those front offices. So he's probably drafted between picks 6-10 regardless.

[Mystical Apples]

Where does freshman Vonleh even get drafted in 2015?

Last year's draft was allegedly stacked (although the hype sort of tapered off as the summer approached) and he was considered a top-5 prospect. That designation is sort of misleading though because about 7 guys every draft cycle are tagged as top-5 prospects.

Assuming Vonleh's hype in 2015 would be the same as it was in 2014 he'd be around Hezonja/Johnson/Winslow/WCS range. So he's probably drafted between picks 7-10 unless the Kings preferred him over WCS for some reason, they were definitely targeting a big guy to pair with Cousins.

Whoa - that would be contrary to projected win shares, projected RPM etc....depending on service 2014 had around 7 quality starters and 2015 has 15 or more. This year was deepest or close in last 20 years.

[Mystical Apples]

Teams in lottery said no to trades and for good reason

[Hornet Mania]

Where does freshman Vonleh even get drafted in 2015?

Last year's draft was allegedly stacked (although the hype sort of tapered off as the summer approached) and he was considered a top-5 prospect. That designation is sort of misleading though because about 7 guys every draft cycle are tagged as top-5 prospects.

Assuming Vonleh's hype in 2015 would be the same as it was in 2014 he'd be around Hezonja/Johnson/Winslow/WCS range. So he's probably drafted between picks 7-10 unless the Kings preferred him over WCS for some reason, they were definitely targeting a big guy to pair with Cousins.

Whoa - that would be contrary to projected win shares, projected RPM etc....depending on service 2014 had around 7 quality starters and 2015 has 15 or more. This year was deepest or close in last 20 years.

I would be very interested to see how accurately those projections actually translate to NBA production. The draft is always a total crap shoot. 2014 was billed several years in advance as the "stacked" draft and several teams pretty obviously tanked for it, not just the Sixers, while 2015 never seemed to reach that level of hype. I won't be shocked if the 2015 class is superior, you never really know until 5 years or more down the line, but perception at the time was that the 2014 class was special. Guys like Randle/Gordon/Vonleh/Exum had loads of hype. Their rookie seasons certainly did not deliver on that promise, but the buzz was certainly there.

[Mystical Apples]

For example Dekker picked at 18 this year had projected RPM of 4.5. That would have been 8 or 9 last year. Hollis Jefferson picked in 20's would've been 2014 Lotto

[Mystical Apples]

2014 was "stacked" for projected stars but thinned out real quick at 5. Less depth

[BigSlam]

Last year's draft was allegedly stacked (although the hype sort of tapered off as the summer approached) and he was considered a top-5 prospect. That designation is sort of misleading though because about 7 guys every draft cycle are tagged as top-5 prospects.

Assuming Vonleh's hype in 2015 would be the same as it was in 2014 he'd be around Hezonja/Johnson/Winslow/WCS range. So he's probably drafted between picks 7-10 unless the Kings preferred him over WCS for some reason, they were definitely targeting a big guy to pair with Cousins.

Whoa - that would be contrary to projected win shares, projected RPM etc....depending on service 2014 had around 7 quality starters and 2015 has 15 or more. This year was deepest or close in last 20 years.

I would be very interested to see how accurately those projections actually translate to NBA production. The draft is always a total crap shoot. 2014 was billed several years in advance as the "stacked" draft and several teams pretty obviously tanked for it, not just the Sixers, while 2015 never seemed to reach that level of hype. I won't be shocked if the 2015 class is superior, you never really know until 5 years or more down the line, but perception at the time was that the 2014 class was special. Guys like Randle/Gordon/Vonleh/Exum had loads of hype. Their rookie seasons certainly did not deliver on that promise, but the buzz was certainly there.

You are talking about top end talent though. Mystical Apples is talking about depth.

2014 might have had nice top end talent but *2015 appears to be (on the surface) way, way, way deeper - which likely would have pushed Vonleh a lot further down should he have entered this year the same way he entered last year (as a Freshman).


* = Not that there is anything wrong with the top end talent in the 2015 class.

[Mystical Apples]

For sure always calculated projections. But everyone was tanking for top 5 in part because after that no projected game changers. That being said Embiid, Parker, and Randle had bad injuries. Stauskas and Smart went top 10

[Mystical Apples]

Interesting Stauskas went 8. Dekker was considered at 8 before Detroit smartly chose Johnson. That's a reasonable comp Dekker and Stauskas were evenly evaluated in Big Ten

[BlackOutBuzz]

He'd probably go 9th.

[BigSlam]

He'd probably go 9th.

Interesting BoB.

You feel that if they were in the same draft class and on the board when it was our turn to pick and were given the option of either Vonleh or Frank our FO would go with Vonleh?

[fatlever]

You guys know I dont watch much college hoops anymore, but based on what Ive seen so far from this draft class, I think this draft class is better than last year, at the top and definitely in depth. Although I am happy to see my guy McDermott looking really good in summer league. Also TJ Warren has one of the coolest games I can remember.

[SeanBobcats]

He'd probably go 9th.

Interesting BoB.

You feel that if they were in the same draft class and on the board when it was our turn to pick and were given the option of either Vonleh or Frank our FO would go with Vonleh?

It's no secret that our front office had to have been in love with Frank. I think they would have still went with him.

[Mystical Apples]

Myles Turner was picked 11th this year. Does anyone think he goes after Smart, Randle, and Stauskas in 2014? Maybe after Exum but that's 6th

[yosemiteben]

Myles Turner was picked 11th this year. Does anyone think he goes after Smart, Randle, and Stauskas in 2014? Maybe after Exum but that's 6th

Not sure, but he does have the red flag of his bizarre leg development, which probably would have dropped him down to 9/10.

[BlackOutBuzz]

He'd probably go 9th.

Interesting BoB.

You feel that if they were in the same draft class and on the board when it was our turn to pick and were given the option of either Vonleh or Frank our FO would go with Vonleh?

I was being a bit snarky but I do think he's being underrated a bit now. It's tough to gauge where he'd go, because I'd take him over guys like WCS (6) and Johnson (8) but after Winslow (10) and, yes, Frank. Not necessarily because Frank is the better prospect, but he is the better player right now which is obviously what we need.

I was really, really high on Noah and had him ranked 4th at the time of the draft. You could've even talked me into putting him 3rd given Embiid's injury. Obviously I was thrilled with the pick, but I also know why we made the trade.

Both drafts dropped off at 11 IMO, and frankly I like the overall potential of that group in 2014 over 2015 (just basing it on them as prospects, not including NBA experience). It's just that rookies tend to suck. We've seen the 2014 class battle injury and acclimation, whereas the 2015 class is fresh, new, and full of potential.

Orlando would've been a nice spot for Vonleh either year (picked 4th then 5th) but that may be a bit high, same with the Kings (8th then 6th). After that though he likely slides past Denver, Detroit, Charlotte, Miami and maybe Indiana, but I couldn't see him sliding past Utah at 12.

[Mystical Apples]

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It's just that rookies tend to suck.

Most accurate line ever.