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RaisingArizona · Post #961 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:37 pm

Who told me that Booker wasn't athletic enough to do anything other than be a spot up shooter? Don't make me search for it...

jcsunsfan · Post #962 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:05 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:Who told me that Booker wasn't athletic enough to do anything other than be a spot up shooter? Don't make me search for it...

Probably the same person who was insisting his arms are too short to truly be be effective. Funny the outright misinformation that gets perpetuated. Maybe its why he slipped the #13. Worked in our favor.

Revived · Post #963 » by **Revived** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:41 pm

NavLDO wrote:
SF88 wrote:It's funny, I was really wanted us to draft Booker at the draft because I was so impressed and in love with his shooting form and yet, every time I see him play, I'm still more and more impressed by it.

It's one of those shooting strokes that people will eventually come to try and imitate when playing at the rec center or the park. Miss or make, his stroke remains the same and it's absolutely beautiful.

He's also very unselfish and makes the right play most of the time on the ball whether it's passing or scoring.

If this kid can get stronger, stay healthy and continue to work hard and add bits to his game every season, he will be worth more than anyone else on this roster. I hope I'm not jinxing him, the last player I was so excited about that we drafted was Goodwin and he's still having a hard time finding playing time.

Wish ya all the best Mr. Booker. The kind of shooting form this kid has isn't something you see in the draft every year.

But he was drafted 13th overall--you know, that 'late lotto pick' that we've had 5 of the last 7 years. He can't possibly have positive impact on this team--he can't ever be a 'star' player in he NBA...

And no, that wasn't directed at you, per se. Just seems to be the sentiment around here that we'll never improve if we keep drafting in the late lotto, hence, we need to tank for a couple of years to get REAL NBA talent on the team.

I know sundeuce already posted this in the treadmill thread but I'll say it here, yes I believe in Booker but that doesn't take away from the fact that Russel, Okafor, Towns all have higher ceilings than him and apparently NBA executives think they have a higher chance of being a top player as well.

Sure some #13 picks turn out super good like that one Steve Nash guy but the percentages and statistics say that top 5 picks usually do better than late lottery picks.

saintEscaton · Post #964 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:50 pm

SF88 wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
SF88 wrote:It's funny, I was really wanted us to draft Booker at the draft because I was so impressed and in love with his shooting form and yet, every time I see him play, I'm still more and more impressed by it.

It's one of those shooting strokes that people will eventually come to try and imitate when playing at the rec center or the park. Miss or make, his stroke remains the same and it's absolutely beautiful.

He's also very unselfish and makes the right play most of the time on the ball whether it's passing or scoring.

If this kid can get stronger, stay healthy and continue to work hard and add bits to his game every season, he will be worth more than anyone else on this roster. I hope I'm not jinxing him, the last player I was so excited about that we drafted was Goodwin and he's still having a hard time finding playing time.

Wish ya all the best Mr. Booker. The kind of shooting form this kid has isn't something you see in the draft every year.

But he was drafted 13th overall--you know, that 'late lotto pick' that we've had 5 of the last 7 years. He can't possibly have positive impact on this team--he can't ever be a 'star' player in he NBA...

And no, that wasn't directed at you, per se. Just seems to be the sentiment around here that we'll never improve if we keep drafting in the late lotto, hence, we need to tank for a couple of years to get REAL NBA talent on the team.

I know sundeuce already posted this in the treadmill thread but I'll say it here, yes I believe in Booker but that doesn't take away from the fact that Russel, Okafor, Towns all have higher ceilings than him and apparently NBA executives think they have a higher chance of being a top player as well.

Sure some #13 picks turn out super good like that one Steve Nash guy but the percentages and statistics say that top 5 picks usually do better than late lottery picks.

But the draft is a total crapshoot. They probably just pull names from a hat to decide . Our execs/scouts and talent evaluators are the only ones who have a clue what they're doing so this means that teams who pick ahead of us will royally screw up and let the best prospect fall to us always because they are purposefully sucking in order to stay where they are . There's no real difference between winning the lotto and picking at #13 the reasoning being we can just replicate SSOL where Colangelo picked all of his stars outside of the Top 5

SunsFanSSOL · Post #965 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:26 pm

I like Mike James, and I think McD will pick him over McConnell (fits the athletic small guard McD mold), but I like McConnell better. He's less flashy, less athletic and probably a worse defender, but he has better PG skills, a good contrast to the guards we already have on the roster.

aIvin adams · Post #966 » by **aIvin adams** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:46 pm

mike james is way better than mcconnell. no knock on mcconnell he is a very impressive player but it's hard to make it in the NBA if you are undersized and not particularly athletic

james is bigger and he is particularly athletic. he is also very skilled (altho not as 'PG'-skilled as micky mcconnell)

MrMiyagi · Post #967 » by **MrMiyagi** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:50 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
But the draft is a total crapshoot. They probably just pull names from a hat to decide . Our execs/scouts and talent evaluators are the only ones who have a clue what they're doing so this means that teams who pick ahead of us will royally screw up and let the best prospect fall to us always because they are purposefully sucking in order to stay where they are . There's no real difference between winning the lotto and picking at #13 the reasoning being we can just replicate SSOL where Colangelo picked all of his stars outside of the Top 5

Because our talent evaluators are inherently awful because they work for the Suns. Those teams in the top 5 are there because they're great talent evaluators and have proven it with the product they put on the court.

jcsunsfan · Post #968 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:56 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
SF88 wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
But he was drafted 13th overall--you know, that 'late lotto pick' that we've had 5 of the last 7 years. He can't possibly have positive impact on this team--he can't ever be a 'star' player in he NBA...

And no, that wasn't directed at you, per se. Just seems to be the sentiment around here that we'll never improve if we keep drafting in the late lotto, hence, we need to tank for a couple of years to get REAL NBA talent on the team.

I know sundeuce already posted this in the treadmill thread but I'll say it here, yes I believe in Booker but that doesn't take away from the fact that Russel, Okafor, Towns all have higher ceilings than him and apparently NBA executives think they have a higher chance of being a top player as well.

Sure some #13 picks turn out super good like that one Steve Nash guy but the percentages and statistics say that top 5 picks usually do better than late lottery picks.

But the draft is a total crapshoot. They probably just pull names from a hat to decide . Our execs/scouts and talent evaluators are the only ones who have a clue what they're doing so this means that teams who pick ahead of us will royally screw up and let the best prospect fall to us always because they are purposefully sucking in order to stay where they are . There's no real difference between winning the lotto and picking at #13 the reasoning being we can just replicate SSOL where Colangelo picked all of his stars outside of the Top 5

too hard to read. Darker green, please.

thamadkant · Post #969 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:57 pm

JMac1 wrote:
1UPZ wrote: just need to calm down when trying to go rambo.

No, you need Booker to go Rambo if he is killing it like Rambo....... "Hey kid stop shooting, you are hot and making too many shots. pass to the guys who aren't making shots

No, Im not referring to his shooting... but him trying to also play make and take his man off the dribble when he has open team mates... but open shots??.. all day long!

thamadkant · Post #970 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:04 pm

Regarding Booker.
For a 6'6 guy he does have average wingspan (6'8) and yes probably worked out best for the Suns since he didnt have elite physical traits thats why he fell.

And Booker is athletic, but he isnt Gerald Green, JR Smith athletic... nor Iguadala, nor even Bledsoe or Goodwin athletic... I'd say he is between average and good. But not elite..

He will make his living off using screens and craftiness over outright athleticism.

Post #971 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:07 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
SF88 wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
But he was drafted 13th overall--you know, that 'late lotto pick' that we've had 5 of the last 7 years. He can't possibly have positive impact on this team--he can't ever be a 'star' player in he NBA...

And no, that wasn't directed at you, per se. Just seems to be the sentiment around here that we'll never improve if we keep drafting in the late lotto, hence, we need to tank for a couple of years to get REAL NBA talent on the team.

I know sundeuce already posted this in the treadmill thread but I'll say it here, yes I believe in Booker but that doesn't take away from the fact that Russel, Okafor, Towns all have higher ceilings than him and apparently NBA executives think they have a higher chance of being a top player as well.

Sure some #13 picks turn out super good like that one Steve Nash guy but the percentages and statistics say that top 5 picks usually do better than late lottery picks.

But the draft is a total crapshoot. They probably just pull names from a hat to decide . Our execs/scouts and talent evaluators are the only ones who have a clue what they're doing so this means that teams who pick ahead of us will royally screw up and let the best prospect fall to us always because they are purposefully sucking in order to stay where they are . There's no real difference between winning the lotto and picking at #13 the reasoning being we can just replicate SSOL where Colangelo picked all of his stars outside of the Top 5

I think everyone here knows that the higher you draft, the better the odds are of getting a good player. And everyone knows there will always be busts and surprises. I don't totally understand why we are going back and forth here stating the obvious.

itlnsunsfan · Post #972 » by **itlnsunsfan** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:33 pm

JMac1 wrote:
itlnsunsfan wrote:I like Booker. He had an excellent game. However, I find it curious that Booker garners so much admiration for his shooting when he hasn't shot that well, with an overall field goal percentage of 41% (granted he is averaging 37% from 3). What I find especially interesting is while I'm watching, I'm seeing Archie Goodwin hit jumpers consistently, an ability that seemed so distant but a year ago, and yet I don't see much talk about it. Statistically, he is shooting 46% overall and 33% from 3, and while not fantastic numbers, they are certainly serviceable. My question is has Archie actually developed a decent jumpshot from that horrifying thing he called a shot when he first came into the league?

You said it. Shooting 33 percent is not serviceable for what we are looking for; we are looking for 3pt shooting and rebounding. We shot 34 percent as a team and that was unacceptable, why would we accept Archie 33 percent? His overall 46 percent is because of his fast break layups. Archie is not a good shooter. Just the fact that you want to applaud him on his growth to 33 percent is proof. Someone pull up his summer shot chart.

Except I didn't say it. I said his shooting numbers have certainly been serviceable, which they have been. For comparison, Kobe Bryant has shot 45% overall and 33% from 3 for his career. While Kobe Bryant isn't the model of efficiency, I think we can all agree he has put up at least serviceable shooting numbers since he has been in the nba. Comparing Archie's numbers from last year's summer league, he shot 36% overall and 12.5% from 3. The improvement is startling. Disregarding this stark improvement seems unreasonable to me.

Two Time · Post #973 » by **Two Time** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:35 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
SF88 wrote:I know sundeuce already posted this in the treadmill thread but I'll say it here, yes I believe in Booker but that doesn't take away from the fact that Russel, Okafor, Towns all have higher ceilings than him and apparently NBA executives think they have a higher chance of being a top player as well.

Sure some #13 picks turn out super good like that one Steve Nash guy but the percentages and statistics say that top 5 picks usually do better than late lottery picks.

But the draft is a total crapshoot. They probably just pull names from a hat to decide . Our execs/scouts and talent evaluators are the only ones who have a clue what they're doing so this means that teams who pick ahead of us will royally screw up and let the best prospect fall to us always because they are purposefully sucking in order to stay where they are . There's no real difference between winning the lotto and picking at #13 the reasoning being we can just replicate SSOL where Colangelo picked all of his stars outside of the Top 5

I think everyone here knows that the higher you draft, the better the odds are of getting a good player. And everyone knows there will always be busts and surprises. I don't totally understand why we are going back and forth here stating the obvious.

Hey, this is officially a green font thread. GOH with this regular post!

JTrain · Post #974 » by **JTrain** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:48 pm

This tweet sure does suck:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/purplePHXorange/status/623262870403321856[/tweet]

Revived · Post #975 » by **Revived** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:53 pm

Kyle Anderson vs TJ Warren in this Finals showdown!!!

Gorilla Warfare · Post #976 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:52 pm

Becky Hammon...

GetYourPHX · Post #977 » by **GetYourPHX** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:40 am

I'm way to hyped considering this is just a Summer League game. Here's hoping El Nino makes it rain for the second day in a row.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #978 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:05 am

Archie is so frustrating.

Grots · Post #979 » by **Grots** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:10 am

for once they're not starting slow

JTrain · Post #980 » by **JTrain** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:16 am

How bad you want it how bad you want it?

Of the Summer league guys, who would you most like to see make our team?