SUMMER LEAGUE 2015 (Non-Wizards)

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Portis doesn't have a very high NBA ceiling imo. You can see that his athleticism is limited, and he's not a great defensive rebounder against good competition (which a few posted pointed out pre-draft that he rated as average there, props to them). His stretch four capabilities were somewhat of a mirage, he's not gonna be hitting threes in volume or 'stretching' anything this season.

We were all shocked when the Wiz passed on Portis, but the dude worked out for a ton of teams and dropped to 22. It looks like a lot of teams (including the Wizards) probably noticed some things in his workout that they didn't like, eg his subpar athleticism and second jump.

Even if Oubre doesn't 100% pan out, I'm still glad the team took a shot on high potential, with possibly our last chance to swing for the fences on a lottery pick.

If we were rebuilding, I'd be perfectly fine picking Oubre, but we're not. Missing is what GM's have done every year. Sometimes they do analysis by paralysis and can't see the forest from the trees. But I think the Wiz had a far greater need for a player like Portis than the teams picking ahead of them did. No doubt he's not a great athlete - he's basically the same in that regard as Kaminsky, but they're both excellent basketball players.

We had a need for a stretch four, Portis is not that. We still have a need for a rotation quality PF/C for the 2015-2016 season, Portis imo isn't yet rotation quality (and won't play a ton as a rookie)

Also we have just as much a need for Oubre. All of the vets we signed this year are expiring, after this season Porter would have been our only SF under contract. If anything, it's not seeing the forest for the trees to assume that we're somehow 'set' at the wings and just need to stock up at big men. The team needs young talent everywhere and another versatile defensive wing player in the pipeline will only help our prospects.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2015/players/sl_bobby_portis/

Portis did make 5-9 NBA threes in Summer League.

I think he's got as good or better handle than Drew Gooden. I see absolutely no reason why Portis cannot be a good stretch four.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If we were rebuilding, I'd be perfectly fine picking Oubre, but we're not. Missing is what GM's have done every year. Sometimes they do analysis by paralysis and can't see the forest from the trees. But I think the Wiz had a far greater need for a player like Portis than the teams picking ahead of them did. No doubt he's not a great athlete - he's basically the same in that regard as Kaminsky, but they're both excellent basketball players.

We had a need for a stretch four, Portis is not that. We still have a need for a rotation quality PF/C for the 2015-2016 season, Portis imo isn't yet rotation quality (and won't play a ton as a rookie)

Also we have just as much a need for Oubre. All of the vets we signed this year are expiring, after this season Porter would have been our only SF under contract. If anything, it's not seeing the forest for the trees to assume that we're somehow 'set' at the wings and just need to stock up at big men. The team needs young talent everywhere and another versatile defensive wing player in the pipeline will only help our prospects.

I don't know where you got the idea that Portis isn't a stretch 4. He's got a great jump shot with NBA 3 point range. He can also score inside - taking advantage of his length and motor. Of course he's not going to play much as a rookie - Chicago's loaded up front with veterans that are actually good.

As far as the team needing young wings, that's the only place where they already have young talent. And fwiw, in my opinion Portis is just as talented as Oubre. Talent is the ability to play basketball - not just the ability to look like a good run and jump athlete. Portis is a good basketball player.

Agreed.

Portis is a good basketball player that this team could have used.

[Illmatic12]

If we were rebuilding, I'd be perfectly fine picking Oubre, but we're not. Missing is what GM's have done every year. Sometimes they do analysis by paralysis and can't see the forest from the trees. But I think the Wiz had a far greater need for a player like Portis than the teams picking ahead of them did. No doubt he's not a great athlete - he's basically the same in that regard as Kaminsky, but they're both excellent basketball players.

We had a need for a stretch four, Portis is not that. We still have a need for a rotation quality PF/C for the 2015-2016 season, Portis imo isn't yet rotation quality (and won't play a ton as a rookie)

Also we have just as much a need for Oubre. All of the vets we signed this year are expiring, after this season Porter would have been our only SF under contract. If anything, it's not seeing the forest for the trees to assume that we're somehow 'set' at the wings and just need to stock up at big men. The team needs young talent everywhere and another versatile defensive wing player in the pipeline will only help our prospects.

I don't know where you got the idea that Portis isn't a stretch 4. He's got a great jump shot with NBA 3 point range. He can also score inside - taking advantage of his length and motor. Of course he's not going to play much as a rookie - Chicago's loaded up front with veterans that are actually good.

As far as the team needing young wings, that's the only place where they already have young talent. And fwiw, in my opinion Portis is just as talented as Oubre. Talent is the ability to play basketball - not just the ability to look like a good run and jump athlete. Portis is a good basketball player.

We're still on that huh? Have you seen Portis' jumpshot release? He's not gonna be a 'stretch' anything for a while, at the NBA level the guy is not anywhere near a volume 3pt shooter at this time.

Go on the Bulls board and see what they think about Portis and his prospects of becoming a legit stretch 4. He will make threes every now and then, but there's no indication that he's gonna be remotely decent beyond the 3pt line or even better than someone like Gooden.

If I had to guess, I'd bet he'll shoot the three at around 30-34% on low volume (which is barely worth calling someone a stretch 4)

Also, I don't believe that Portis will consistently score inside at the NBA level. He's groundbound already gets his shots blocked/bothered a ton in SL against weaker competition.. you are vastly overrating Portis' NBA prospects imo. There may be a reason why he seemingly dropped after his workouts and 21 teams passed on him. Not that he can't be a solid rotation player, but he's certainly not without limitations that may keep him from truly maximizing value in the league.

[Ruzious]

We had a need for a stretch four, Portis is not that. We still have a need for a rotation quality PF/C for the 2015-2016 season, Portis imo isn't yet rotation quality (and won't play a ton as a rookie)

Also we have just as much a need for Oubre. All of the vets we signed this year are expiring, after this season Porter would have been our only SF under contract. If anything, it's not seeing the forest for the trees to assume that we're somehow 'set' at the wings and just need to stock up at big men. The team needs young talent everywhere and another versatile defensive wing player in the pipeline will only help our prospects.

I don't know where you got the idea that Portis isn't a stretch 4. He's got a great jump shot with NBA 3 point range. He can also score inside - taking advantage of his length and motor. Of course he's not going to play much as a rookie - Chicago's loaded up front with veterans that are actually good.

As far as the team needing young wings, that's the only place where they already have young talent. And fwiw, in my opinion Portis is just as talented as Oubre. Talent is the ability to play basketball - not just the ability to look like a good run and jump athlete. Portis is a good basketball player.

We're still on that huh? Have you seen Portis' jumpshot release? He's not gonna be a 'stretch' anything for a while, at the NBA level the guy is not anywhere near a volume 3pt shooter at this time.

Go on the Bulls board and see what they think about Portis and his prospects of becoming a legit stretch 4. He will make threes every now and then, but there's no indication that he's gonna be remotely decent beyond the 3pt line or even better than someone like Gooden.

If I had to guess, I'd bet he'll shoot the three at around 30-34% on low volume (which is barely worth calling someone a stretch 4)

Also, I don't believe that Portis will consistently score inside at the NBA level. He's groundbound already gets his shots blocked/bothered a ton in SL against weaker competition.. you are vastly overrating Portis' NBA prospects imo. There may be a reason why he seemingly dropped after his workouts and 21 teams passed on him. Not that he can't be a solid rotation player, but he's certainly not without limitations that may keep him from truly maximizing value in the league.

Maybe we'd drop it if you didn't asking about him. Let's agree to disagree for the time being and actually watch the guy play in the NBA before assuming he can't do something that he probably can do.

[Illmatic12]

Agreed, Ruzious. It remains to be seen how any of these guys turn out, and who knows what could happen with injuries etc

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Step-back three point shot by Terry Rozier to tie the ballgame late...impressive.


http://www.nba.com/games/20150718/SASBOS/gameinfo.html?ls=slt

[Ruzious]

Step-back three point shot by Terry Rozier to tie the ballgame late...impressive.


http://www.nba.com/games/20150718/SASBOS/gameinfo.html?ls=slt

SMH. That means even less than him going 2 for 12 for the game. Fwiw, Jordan Mickey was easily the most impressive of their rookies in the SL.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Step-back three point shot by Terry Rozier to tie the ballgame late...impressive.


http://www.nba.com/games/20150718/SASBOS/gameinfo.html?ls=slt

SMH. That means even less than him going 2 for 12 for the game. Fwiw, Jordan Mickey was easily the most impressive of their rookies in the SL.

You can SYH all you want.

Where were you when I posted stats of him scoring 19 pts. including 7 in the last 36 seconds of a close ball game to get his team the win?

Rozier has come up big on more than one occasion for his team and that game was no exception. He struggled to score but hit a very difficult shot to put his team in position to possibly win in overtime.



P.S. though they'll fail to call you out, I'm sure many posters in here now realize---if they didn't before--- that your comparison of Rozier to a lesser version of Avery Bradley is completely bogus.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

TJ Warren's awesome too, I only became content with not being able to draft him because Otto Porter was drafted the year before.

[wizfactor94]

I would take Seth Curry serious if It wasn't for his horrific three point shooting.

[gambitx777]

seth curry is going to be a great NBA PG, his 3 PT shooting is not horrible, he was just having a bad go of it. He was one of the best 3 PT shooters in the D league last year.

[closg00]

Some player write-ups.
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-summer-league-day-9-1

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Some player write-ups.
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-summer-league-day-9-1

Top Performers:

...

Bobby Portis, Chicago: Even though the Bulls came up short against the Suns, Bobby Portis clawed tooth and nail during what eventually was his final outing in Summer League. Taking Doug McDermott’s place as the go-to scorer, Portis finished with 25 points on 8-18 FG and 9-9 from the line. He also attacked the glass with reckless abandon, as he finished with 15 rebounds (6 offensive). The Bulls frontcourt is still obviously quite crowded at this point in time, though it seems that they went with the best player available in Portis. With their salary cap situation more than likely requiring them to lose one of their big men in due time, Portis has shown enough ability to soften the blow considerably.

Seth Curry was stifled at times during the 1st half, as Aaron Craft gave him next to no room to breathe. As the game progressed, he was able to find ways to score and finished with 24 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists to go along with 4 steals. There has been very little containment of Curry here and he is most definitely in the running to bring home the Summer League MVP. Just when Stephen had a dream season, Seth is having an incredible Summer League that is likely to land him closer to his dream of a spot on a NBA roster.

[FAH1223]

Some player write-ups.
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-summer-league-day-9-1

Top Performers:

...

Bobby Portis, Chicago: Even though the Bulls came up short against the Suns, Bobby Portis clawed tooth and nail during what eventually was his final outing in Summer League. Taking Doug McDermott’s place as the go-to scorer, Portis finished with 25 points on 8-18 FG and 9-9 from the line. He also attacked the glass with reckless abandon, as he finished with 15 rebounds (6 offensive). The Bulls frontcourt is still obviously quite crowded at this point in time, though it seems that they went with the best player available in Portis. With their salary cap situation more than likely requiring them to lose one of their big men in due time, Portis has shown enough ability to soften the blow considerably.

Seth Curry was stifled at times during the 1st half, as Aaron Craft gave him next to no room to breathe. As the game progressed, he was able to find ways to score and finished with 24 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists to go along with 4 steals. There has been very little containment of Curry here and he is most definitely in the running to bring home the Summer League MVP. Just when Stephen had a dream season, Seth is having an incredible Summer League that is likely to land him closer to his dream of a spot on a NBA roster.

Kyle Anderson has really improved.

And that dude Jonathon Simmons the Spurs just signed reminds me a little bit of Lance Stephenson. Looks out of control but is in control, very shifty, but he has more ups than Lance... was dunking every game.

Becky Hammon for Wizards Head Coach... hell, make her the GM... She'd do better than Grunfail.

[Dat2U]

We had a need for a stretch four, Portis is not that. We still have a need for a rotation quality PF/C for the 2015-2016 season, Portis imo isn't yet rotation quality (and won't play a ton as a rookie)

Also we have just as much a need for Oubre. All of the vets we signed this year are expiring, after this season Porter would have been our only SF under contract. If anything, it's not seeing the forest for the trees to assume that we're somehow 'set' at the wings and just need to stock up at big men. The team needs young talent everywhere and another versatile defensive wing player in the pipeline will only help our prospects.

I don't know where you got the idea that Portis isn't a stretch 4. He's got a great jump shot with NBA 3 point range. He can also score inside - taking advantage of his length and motor. Of course he's not going to play much as a rookie - Chicago's loaded up front with veterans that are actually good.

As far as the team needing young wings, that's the only place where they already have young talent. And fwiw, in my opinion Portis is just as talented as Oubre. Talent is the ability to play basketball - not just the ability to look like a good run and jump athlete. Portis is a good basketball player.

We're still on that huh? Have you seen Portis' jumpshot release? He's not gonna be a 'stretch' anything for a while, at the NBA level the guy is not anywhere near a volume 3pt shooter at this time.

Go on the Bulls board and see what they think about Portis and his prospects of becoming a legit stretch 4. He will make threes every now and then, but there's no indication that he's gonna be remotely decent beyond the 3pt line or even better than someone like Gooden.

If I had to guess, I'd bet he'll shoot the three at around 30-34% on low volume (which is barely worth calling someone a stretch 4)

Also, I don't believe that Portis will consistently score inside at the NBA level. He's groundbound already gets his shots blocked/bothered a ton in SL against weaker competition.. you are vastly overrating Portis' NBA prospects imo. There may be a reason why he seemingly dropped after his workouts and 21 teams passed on him. Not that he can't be a solid rotation player, but he's certainly not without limitations that may keep him from truly maximizing value in the league.

I'm not sure I understand your analysis? At #15, #19 or #22 all your looking for is a solid rotation player. Of course he has limitations otherwise he'd been drafted in the top 10 but I don't see folks vastly overrating his prospects. No one is calling him a superstar. But a young big with a high motor and a very solid skill level is a pretty safe bet to be a solid NBA player.

[gtn130]

We had a need for a stretch four, Portis is not that. We still have a need for a rotation quality PF/C for the 2015-2016 season, Portis imo isn't yet rotation quality (and won't play a ton as a rookie)

Also we have just as much a need for Oubre. All of the vets we signed this year are expiring, after this season Porter would have been our only SF under contract. If anything, it's not seeing the forest for the trees to assume that we're somehow 'set' at the wings and just need to stock up at big men. The team needs young talent everywhere and another versatile defensive wing player in the pipeline will only help our prospects.

I don't know where you got the idea that Portis isn't a stretch 4. He's got a great jump shot with NBA 3 point range. He can also score inside - taking advantage of his length and motor. Of course he's not going to play much as a rookie - Chicago's loaded up front with veterans that are actually good.

As far as the team needing young wings, that's the only place where they already have young talent. And fwiw, in my opinion Portis is just as talented as Oubre. Talent is the ability to play basketball - not just the ability to look like a good run and jump athlete. Portis is a good basketball player.

We're still on that huh? Have you seen Portis' jumpshot release? He's not gonna be a 'stretch' anything for a while, at the NBA level the guy is not anywhere near a volume 3pt shooter at this time.

Go on the Bulls board and see what they think about Portis and his prospects of becoming a legit stretch 4. He will make threes every now and then, but there's no indication that he's gonna be remotely decent beyond the 3pt line or even better than someone like Gooden.

If I had to guess, I'd bet he'll shoot the three at around 30-34% on low volume (which is barely worth calling someone a stretch 4)

Also, I don't believe that Portis will consistently score inside at the NBA level. He's groundbound already gets his shots blocked/bothered a ton in SL against weaker competition.. you are vastly overrating Portis' NBA prospects imo. There may be a reason why he seemingly dropped after his workouts and 21 teams passed on him. Not that he can't be a solid rotation player, but he's certainly not without limitations that may keep him from truly maximizing value in the league.

This is ridiculous analysis. The speed of his release is immaterial if he isn't shooting off the dribble with defenders draped on him. Players can also completely change their shot over the course of their careers. Predicting his 3pt shooting down to the percentage is outrageous. Were you also predicting Drew Gooden would start shooting 40% from 3 in year 11 of his career?

I'm all for speculating about prospects, but you can do better than taking random guesses at what a player will shoot from 3. That's one thing that is virtually unknowable.

[gtn130]

Do people think Kyle Korver and Steph Curry shoot at the same speed? Writing off a prospect because of his shot release is comical

[Dat2U]

I'd like to toot my own horn on Justin Anderson who would have been my pick at #19 if Portis wasn't there. He looked really good for Dallas' summer league team. I think he's a role player that's ready to contribute immediately considering his improved jumper, physically imposing build for a wing and his smarts/work ethic.