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Hotmayo · Post #761 » by **Hotmayo** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:24 pm

brendan dawson will average 12/10 off the bench immediately. The guy is larry johnson 2.0 reborn. Yea his technique on shooting needs to improve but he will average 12/10. Whenever a guy goes through 4 yrs at msu under izzo, man thats dudes ready.

i already want denzel valentine so bad on the pistons. dudes gonna be a stud in the nba

ImHeisenberg · Post #762 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:25 pm

Hotmayo wrote:brendan dawson will average 12/10 off the bench immediately. The guy is larry johnson 2.0 reborn. Yea his technique on shooting needs to improve but he will average 12/10. Whenever a guy goes through 4 yrs at msu under izzo, man thats dudes ready.

i already want denzel valentine so bad on the pistons. dudes gonna be a stud in the nba

Can you name me anyone who has averaged 12/10 off the bench in the last decade? Regardless of how many years they've been in the league?

Blkbrd671 · Post #763 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:37 pm

Hotmayo wrote:brendan dawson will average 12/10 off the bench immediately. The guy is larry johnson 2.0 reborn. Yea his technique on shooting needs to improve but he will average 12/10. Whenever a guy goes through 4 yrs at msu under izzo, man thats dudes ready.

i already want denzel valentine so bad on the pistons. dudes gonna be a stud in the nba

Your vastly either overrated get summer league or under rating the jump to the nba. Dawson lacks technique and fundamental play that nba coaches will exploit. Furthermore nba scrubs will exploit. Dawson is a player that will do well in certain systems and be out the league in others

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ComboGuardCity · Post #764 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:46 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
Hotmayo wrote:brendan dawson will average 12/10 off the bench immediately. The guy is larry johnson 2.0 reborn. Yea his technique on shooting needs to improve but he will average 12/10. Whenever a guy goes through 4 yrs at msu under izzo, man thats dudes ready.

i already want denzel valentine so bad on the pistons. dudes gonna be a stud in the nba

Can you name me anyone who has averaged 12/10 off the bench in the last decade? Regardless of how many years they've been in the league?

Brendan Dawson - Summer league. Checkmate

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Scout Taron · Post #765 » by **Scout Taron** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:31 am

Hotmayo wrote:brendan dawson will average 12/10 off the bench immediately. The guy is larry johnson 2.0 reborn. Yea his technique on shooting needs to improve but he will average 12/10. Whenever a guy goes through 4 yrs at msu under izzo, man thats dudes ready.

i already want denzel valentine so bad on the pistons. dudes gonna be a stud in the nba

In actuality... very few Izzo players end up ready for the NBA... Let alone the ones that stay four years...

bballnmike · Post #766 » by **bballnmike** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:44 am

Scout Taron wrote:
Hotmayo wrote:brendan dawson will average 12/10 off the bench immediately. The guy is larry johnson 2.0 reborn. Yea his technique on shooting needs to improve but he will average 12/10. Whenever a guy goes through 4 yrs at msu under izzo, man thats dudes ready.

i already want denzel valentine so bad on the pistons. dudes gonna be a stud in the nba

In actuality... very few Izzo players end up ready for the NBA... Let alone the ones that stay four years...

I agree. (And yes I realize both of us have Michigan logos, and Michigan has had a few not so great nba players recently too... before anyone points that out. And Draymond is great lol)

But with that said, I think it's more of a testament to Izzo getting the most out of his players and getting them to buy into his system.

Piston Pete · Post #767 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:07 pm

Reports are now saying Josh Smith has decided to sign with the Clippers.

Post #768 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:15 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Reports are now saying Josh Smith has decided to sign with the Clippers.

Yep. They have no cap space and already spent their MLE on Paul Pierce, so Smith is signing for peanuts, and we will get no salary relief.

Not that it really matters that much, just Smith saying "eh, money doesn't matter on these new contracts since I'm still laughing my way to the bank with Piston money".

Man, been a while since I've hated an NBA player this much. Welcome to being my new least favorite NBA team, Clippers. You now narrowly beat out Houston.

detroitKG · Post #769 » by **detroitKG** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:19 pm

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tmorgan · Post #770 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:26 pm

That doesn't make much sense, even though it's apparently happening. He's going to have even less of a role on the Clips than he did on the Rockets -- they needed a playmaking forward to some extent, but the Clips already have a much, much better one in Griffin.

ducler · Post #771 » by **ducler** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:01 pm

He'll play some SF for the big pleasure of Clippers' fans lol

BIG BEN'S FRO · Post #772 » by **BIG BEN'S FRO** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:07 am

bballnmike wrote:
Scout Taron wrote:
Hotmayo wrote:brendan dawson will average 12/10 off the bench immediately. The guy is larry johnson 2.0 reborn. Yea his technique on shooting needs to improve but he will average 12/10. Whenever a guy goes through 4 yrs at msu under izzo, man thats dudes ready.

i already want denzel valentine so bad on the pistons. dudes gonna be a stud in the nba

In actuality... very few Izzo players end up ready for the NBA... Let alone the ones that stay four years...

I agree. (And yes I realize both of us have Michigan logos, and Michigan has had a few not so great nba players recently too... before anyone points that out. And Draymond is great lol)

But with that said, I think it's more of a testament to Izzo getting the most out of his players and getting them to buy into his system.

This doesn't sound very right at all. There are a fairly decent number of Izzo disciples hat have had solid NBA careers. Of course Green, but multiple other lower recruited players have had great nba careers over time. Zach Randolph, Jason Richardson, draymond green and Alan Anderson Are all on secondary contracts. Eric snow, Shannon Broan and Morris Peterson in the past did. Respert , Cleaves, Bell, Dawson, Lorbek, Taylor, Payne, Davis, and Gary Harris were all drafted. I am sure I am missing many but if 25% of the guys you send to the nba at all are multicontract players you would think that's pretty good. And that's counting second rounders.

Did I forget any?

bballnmike · Post #773 » by **bballnmike** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:38 am

BIG BEN'S FRO wrote:
bballnmike wrote:
Scout Taron wrote:In actuality... very few Izzo players end up ready for the NBA... Let alone the ones that stay four years...

I agree. (And yes I realize both of us have Michigan logos, and Michigan has had a few not so great nba players recently too... before anyone points that out. And Draymond is great lol)

But with that said, I think it's more of a testament to Izzo getting the most out of his players and getting them to buy into his system.

This doesn't sound very right at all. There are a fairly decent number of Izzo disciples hat have had solid NBA careers. Of course Green, but multiple other lower recruited players have had great nba careers over time. Zach Randolph, Jason Richardson, draymond green and Alan Anderson Are all on secondary contracts. Eric snow, Shannon Broan and Morris Peterson in the past did. Respert , Cleaves, Bell, Dawson, Lorbek, Taylor, Payne, Davis, and Gary Harris were all drafted. I am sure I am missing many but if 25% of the guys you send to the nba at all are multicontract players you would think that's pretty good. And that's counting second rounders.

Did I forget any?

Oh there's lots of good players for sure, I wasn't disputing that. I meant more so that 4 years of Izzo doesn't necessarily mean ready for the nba, Mateen would be a good example of that. Unless ready for the NBA means being drafted.
I was generally thinking of more recent players too (Randolph and JRich are great). They recruit well, not Kentucky or Duke level, but still well. And given the amount of success and all the final fours, I'd expect a little more than Mo Pete or Shannon Brown.

Now that we're talking about it, I'd be curious to see some stats on Izzo players who were drafted after their senior year vs those who left early... then again maybe the better ones naturally leave early? I don't know. (obviously not gonna be the same type of players as Cal's one-and-dones).

Here's a list, I'm too lazy to go through it all. http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=michiganst

tmorgan · Post #774 » by **tmorgan** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:18 am

If anything, Izzo is a miracle worker. He's never been a great recruiter and rarely even tries for the top guys, but instead picks guys that fit his system (bruising bigs, ball control guards and wings) and turns them into better players than you'd expect.

Izzo is a helluva coach.

KC3 · Post #775 » by **KC3** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:44 am

Seems det are in denver rumors to unload lawson.

ImHeisenberg · Post #776 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:00 pm

KC3 wrote:Seems det are in denver rumors to unload lawson.

Lawson's stock has just plummeted. I'd take him if we just shipped Jennings and something minor out for him, that would be an absolute steal.

zeebneeb · Post #777 » by **zeebneeb** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:05 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
KC3 wrote:Seems det are in denver rumors to unload lawson.

Lawson's stock has just plummeted. I'd take him if we just shipped Jennings and something minor out for him, that would be an absolute steal.

Agreed. This type of move, is what Stan has been doing since he got here. Sending out minimal assets, for better ones.

I know alot of people don't want "knuckleheads" on Thier team, but detroit is known for having players like that around.

I would do this deal, in a heartbeat. I like jennings, but you don't know what your going to get back when coming off that injury. You know exactly what your getting in lawson. An extremely talented starting PG, who's a drunk, for an expiring contract.

I would do this in a heartbeat.

MrBigShot · Post #778 » by **MrBigShot** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:18 pm

Gallo about to get 17 mil a year for 2 years. Him, Kanter and Carrol are making Reggie's deal look very reasonable.

sc8581 · Post #779 » by **sc8581** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:20 pm

MrBigShot wrote:Gallo about to get 17 mil a year for 2 years. Him, Kanter and Carrol are making Reggie's deal look very reasonable.

I have a feeling the Nuggets are extending these guys so that they're easier to trade for value.

ImHeisenberg · Post #780 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:29 pm

sc8581 wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:Gallo about to get 17 mil a year for 2 years. Him, Kanter and Carrol are making Reggie's deal look very reasonable.

I have a feeling the Nuggets are extending these guys so that they're easier to trade for value.

Funny enough, I had that same thought.