Are We Still the Worst Franchise?

Quake Griffin · Post #1 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:10 pm

in terms of the whole package….since our inception…looking at wins, losses, PO runs etc. etc.
????

I obviously don't think with the new ownership etc. etc. that we have the worst operation going right now…but we are what we are at this point in terms of accomplishments.

If you think we are, what would get us out of that position? a chip? consistent winning for how many years? 5? 10 years?

inspired by this thread.
viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1400369#start_here

nickhx2 · Post #2 » by **nickhx2** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:32 pm

we're not but if people think we are then they're pretty moronic

mattd13 · Post #3 » by **mattd13** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:41 pm

I believe this franchise is on the rise for sure. we have a great first unit and hopefully the second will get there.

LACtdom · Post #4 » by **LACtdom** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:08 pm

We are definitely behind the pack in terms of achievements. Let's just start by getting to the WCF. We're going through exciting times so let's just enjoy the ride.

Neddy · Post #5 » by **Neddy** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:11 pm

Meh, Im not stressed over such things. the premise of that thread Quake posted seems fitting, and we are the team with the worst winning % of all time, just edging the Timberwoloves by a faction and we are the only two teams with less than 40% winning percentage of all time since inception of each franchise.

but so what.

the all time winning-est 61%er flaker **** lost 61 games last season, winning only 21 games in the process. they won less games than we lost! that's all it matters and all this hate will simply STFU themselves once we win it all. I feel like this year is it. we are just a Jamal trade (which should bring in a backup big and a back up pure PG) away from completing this team for its destiny.

nickhx2 · Post #6 » by **nickhx2** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:37 pm

yeah lol.

listen, if some mouth breathers think that the current clips are even remotely close to the old ones then good for them. being unable to accurately assess and compare the past with the present is not a great way to go about life, but good for them. and it doesn't change the facts.

the team's winning and making progress towards a championship. there's no air of impropriety like the pats, no owners getting DUI's like the colts, no brothers and sisters bickering and sabotaging each other like the lakers, none of that. it takes time to build yourselves the model way. this organization isn't there yet but they are definitely on the right track and people living in history can go ahead and keep living in it if they like. all anyone needs to know is that we're here where we are at now and we have a team and organization we can be very proud of.

nickhx2 · Post #7 » by **nickhx2** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:43 pm

Neddy wrote:Meh, Im not stressed over such things. the premise of that thread Quake posted seems fitting, and we are the team with the worst winning % of all time, just edging the Timberwoloves by a faction and we are the only two teams with less than 40% winning percentage of all time since inception of each franchise.

but so what.

the all time winning-est 61%er flaker **** lost 61 games last season, winning only 21 games in the process. they won less games than we lost! that's all it matters and all this hate will simply STFU themselves once we win it all. I feel like this year is it. we are just a Jamal trade (which should bring in a backup big and a back up pure PG) away from completing this team for its destiny.

i don't think any hate or mislabeling of the franchise will ever go away. you will always have idiots who struggle to explain what they see simply resort to old labels.

it's why magic said "same old clippers" after the team busted out. it's why people in this thread, to begin with, are putting the clippers in their worst franchise lists.

it's just how people are. people can't explain or rationalize things what they see in front of them so they pick the easiest way possible to do so. the clippers have the popular label of being a joke and it's a lot easier to just make the joke than to stop people and actually prove them wrong.

Post #8 » by **mkwest** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:46 am

We have had small beginnings, but the future looks much brighter.

This franchise's past sucks. That can't be changed, nor can it be argued otherwise. At the end of the day, you should not dwell on the past in anything. That's a little easier when you have something going for yourself right now. If your best days are behind you, then it's easier to reminisce like the Polk High great, Al "4 touchdowns in a single game" Bundy.

Having said all of that...

There are 11 teams with no hardware (3 of which who have been in the league the same amount of time or longer).
If there is any concern about overall winning percentage, we should surpass Minnesota this season barring an unforeseen performance by either team. As far as breaking even, that's going to take a long time no matter how many good to great seasons we can roll out in years to come.

You win a championship, then perceptions totally change.

The Pittsburgh Steelers have the most Super Bowl victories in NFL history with 6. They are 5th overall in total championships with those 6 Super Bowl wins placing them behind the likes of the Packers (13), Bears (9), Giants (8) and Browns (8). In the first 37 years of the Steelers franchise existence (originated as the Pittsburgh Pirates), they had a winning percentage of .388. During that time, they had 1 playoff appearance. What does that mean now? Practically nothing. It's more of a trivia question or a fun fact than an identity. Since that time, they've posted a winning percentage of .618.

Likewise, there are some franchises that started off great and and took a turn for the worse.

The Clippers franchise has been around for 44 years. The pieces that are around today, shouldn't be burdened by those of the past. They didn't earn that reputation and should only be accountable for what they can control themselves. Anyone saying anything that has to do with long-term history with regards to the current era of team is talking foolish, just as it would for any other franchise. It's about now and where you are headed.

Post #9 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:36 pm

been there. Mavs weren't just the worst NBA franchise, but perhaps the worst franchise in all of American professional sports. We blew lotto pick after lotto pick after lotto pick on the likes of Randy White and Cherokee Parks and then when we hit 3 years in a row on Jason Kidd, Jamal Mashburn, and Jimmy Jackson we immediately trade them all away for the net return of Finley and an AC Green consecutive games banner. Multiple seasons where we had to go on late surges to reach even double digits in wins and never won a lottery. Never even moved up.

We then had a decent owner sell the team with Ross Perot Jr only buying them because he wanted to do the real estate deal surrounding the new arena. We hired stupid coaches and made stupid moves.

But then we got Dirk and Cuban bought the team and we have been one of the most consistent franchises for 15 years now. I'm just hoping when Dirk is done that we don't return to the dregs for another decade.

So don't let people pointing out your history bother you. It's there obviously. But you have a new owner and currently a great team with a still young superstar in Blake.

DLaren · Post #10 » by **DLaren** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:13 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Are We Still the Worst Franchise?"

Yes.

The Clippers probably seem like an awesome franchise to all of the new fans we've picked-up these last few years, and if we were an expansion team that started in 2010, this would be an awesome franchise. But the LA Clippers have existed since 1984...we've won 4 playoff series in 30 years of existence and have never been to the conference finals.

Quake Griffin wrote:If you think we are, what would get us out of that position?

Time won't heal those wounds...neither will a new owner, new jerseys, new logo, new superstars...until we start hanging banners, we're still the Clippers.

Now for the good news: When I shed my Lakers fan-hood and became a Clippers fan in 1996, the joke was about us being cellar-dwellers who never made the playoffs. Once we got CP3, the joke was we'd never get out of the 1st-round. A couple years later, now the joke is we'll never get out of the second-round.

See the progress?

Hopefully, in the near future, the joke will be, "Flop-City will never re-peat as champions! lolollmao!"

Quake Griffin · Post #11 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:09 pm

Chuck Texas wrote:been there. Mavs weren't just the worst NBA franchise, but perhaps the worst franchise in all of American professional sports. We blew lotto pick after lotto pick after lotto pick on the likes of Randy White and Cherokee Parks and then when we hit 3 years in a row on Jason Kidd, Jamal Mashburn, and Jimmy Jackson we immediately trade them all away for the net return of Finley and an AC Green consecutive games banner. Multiple seasons where we had to go on late surges to reach even double digits in wins and never won a lottery. Never even moved up.

We then had a decent owner sell the team with Ross Perot Jr only buying them because he wanted to do the real estate deal surrounding the new arena. We hired stupid coaches and made stupid moves.

But then we got Dirk and Cuban bought the team and we have been one of the most consistent franchises for 15 years now. I'm just hoping when Dirk is done that we don't return to the dregs for another decade.

So don't let people pointing out your history bother you. It's there obviously. But you have a new owner and currently a great team with a still young superstar in Blake.

so what was the turning point? or what day did you feel like you weren't the worst/ bottom dwelling franchise anymore?

I certainly wasn't thinking after Game 6 in 2011, "welp. Dallas finally did it. They're no longer a **** franchise."

Post #12 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:36 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:so what was the turning point? or what day did you feel like you weren't the worst/ bottom dwelling franchise anymore?

I certainly wasn't thinking after Game 6 in 2011, "welp. Dallas finally did it. They're no longer a **** franchise."

Two possible hard dates for turning point:

The day we drafted Dirk(the fact that Nash arrived that same day helped too)
The day Cuban bought the team

Dirk was obviously the star player who turned around the franchise and Cuban immediately started doing all things first class. Not quite as big a deal as going from Sterling to Ballmer, but pretty close.

Date I felt we were no longer bottom dwelling:

The day we beat the Stockton/Malone Jazz in game 5 in Utah after not making the playoffs for a dozen years. Dirk made an all-NBA team that same year which was a first for any Maverick. We were now a good team again and one with a very young superstar(plus Nash and Finley).

Obviously 2011 was a big deal to prove that we weren't just a good little RS team, but finally a champion. Much like Paul takes abuse now, Dirk was labeled as one who couldn't lead a team to a title. He's beloved in Dallas now, but he got killed locally by the local media who didn't understand just how good Dirk played every PS.

Neddy · Post #13 » by **Neddy** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:37 am

nickhx2 wrote:yeah lol.

listen, if some mouth breathers think that the current clips are even remotely close to the old ones then good for them. being unable to accurately assess and compare the past with the present is not a great way to go about life, but good for them. and it doesn't change the facts.

the team's winning and making progress towards a championship. there's no air of impropriety like the pats, no owners getting DUI's like the colts, no brothers and sisters bickering and sabotaging each other like the lakers, none of that. it takes time to build yourselves the model way. this organization isn't there yet but they are definitely on the right track and people living in history can go ahead and keep living in it if they like. all anyone needs to know is that we're here where we are at now and we have a team and organization we can be very proud of.

I know it is somewhat off the course from your post, but

aside from all the quarks of those ownership, I remember when the Pats were the perennial losers with a terrible logo before Tuna got there. Doc is our Tuna. I remember when the Pats couldn't find a solid leadership until Drew Bledsoe got there and eventually drafted Tom Brady. well we got CP and drafted Blake. the Pats played in aluminum bench seats of Foxboro and parked in dirt until they got a new stadium called the Gillette in 2002. well we played in the dungeon called LA sports arena and moved to the Staples around the same time. I see a franchise in metamorphosis just like those damn Pats I still hate for the "tuck rule" incident but the similarities are uncanny to me.

Flight33 · Post #14 » by **Flight33** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:54 pm

6ers say hi.

Quake Griffin · Post #15 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:48 pm

Flight33 wrote:6ers say hi.

still have a championship and 3 other finals appearances I can think of right off the top of my head.
But for sure…..right now…it doesnt look good for multiple reasons.

nickhx2 · Post #16 » by **nickhx2** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:56 am

what? 76ers look awesome. they're doing what most other franchises can only dream of. tank like crazy and then burst out onto the scene armed with, well, an army of young stars all synced with each other.

Quake Griffin · Post #17 » by **Quake Griffin** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:16 am

nickhx2 wrote:what? 76ers look awesome. they're doing what most other franchises can only dream of. tank like crazy and then burst out onto the scene armed with, well, an army of young stars all synced with each other.

rebuilds have gone MUCH better even with SNAFUs involved.

nickhx2 · Post #18 » by **nickhx2** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:38 am

philadelphia hasn't gotten to the starting line yet of when they want to be competitive so we can't really say their rebuild's been a success or a failure. it's still work in progress and probably will be for another year or two.

they've purposely been trying to stay uncompetitive for several years so they have enough lotto talent, that when inevitably some of them miss, there are enough hits that they can do very well. if you pull the trigger too early and start trying to jump into playoff mode when you don't have the right guys, you risk being a treadmill team. they're gonna be bad for some more time to come and then they are going to have a very high chance to be very good. they are trying to take all luck out of the equation and i absolutely love their plan.

Quake Griffin · Post #19 » by **Quake Griffin** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:13 am

Be real man. It's not going the way it should be going in Philly. You can't get an honest word out of them about Embiid or even the decency to just keep things under wraps until the time is right to disclose.

3 lottery picks.
Ones damaged goods.
No super stars or fringe superstars as far as I can see…I mean….are you in love with Okafor? I'm not

Sure. Logically you've left the door open for you to be right from here until eternity because anybody is one LeBron James pick away from competing. But please…let's not act like Hinkie is hitting Embiid's foot with a sledge hammer just to make sure they wont get "to the starting line."

nickhx2 · Post #20 » by **nickhx2** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:45 am

what's the way it should be going?

Their plan is to accumulate as many picks, free assets, opportunities, and lotto/young talent as possible for the better part of a decade. as far as i can tell they're doing exactly that. They just recently fleeced sacramento and in years prior have been taking all kinds of freebies while accumulating loads of picks. Furthermore it's not about the talent in a vacuum. It's putting yourself in a position to keep acquiring talent that will eventually turn out into what you want. Every asset they acquire essentially has either a non-zero chance of becoming something worthy of value, whether it's turning into an actual star or turning into something that hopefully nets them a star. They saw that MCW wasn't gonna be their guy so they recycled him. And i think that's what most 76ers fans realize and why they aren't worried about the mass losing. The names of the players don't matter because they are banking on x out of xyz players to turn into stars.

Embiid being damaged goods just makes the whole point of this entire thing: any reasonable person knows that drafting is a crapshoot. Why not offset that by loading up on as many high end picks as possible before changing gears and trying to contend? Im sure they would have loved embiid to be playing this coming year but the reality is that they still would be tanking for at least 1-2 more years even if he weren't hurt.

But one day in the near enough future they are gonna feel really good about noels, one of embiid/okafor, and whoever else they got and say "ok let's sign some solid FA"s and let's try and win." it's basically the same thing OKC did but in hyperdrive. And one day they will catch a true star to make it all work and be quite competitive.