World Peace - The Tyler Hansbrough Thread

316Hornets · Post #121 » by **316Hornets** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:29 pm

This is a nice signing and I'll tell you why. Tyler Hansbrough is an energy big who is able to change the momentum of a game. He'll provide a nice offensive replacement for when Al Jefferson is not in the game, and thus, keep the floor with proper spacing for guys like Lamb and Hairston to work. Looking at Charlotte's roster before Hansbrough, there was a clear lack of a "bruiser" type guy. Zeller was the only one who really could be considered as such, and Biyambo was too nice of a guy to get into anyone's face. Hansbrough could come into the game and mess with the rhythm of bigs like Kevin Love by playing a tough, aggressive defense. For what he's signed for, a 10 minute, energy guy, Hansbrough fits the picture to a T.

Cheeze · Post #122 » by **Cheeze** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:30 pm

Tough guy. A Birdman-type hatchet man. I like it. I don't have a problem with MJ loyalties to UNC or the fact that Tyler's white or what his contract looks like. Will he help the club win? That's all I care about.

Mystical Apples · Post #123 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:32 pm

predators wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:The more I look at this the more I think the team is telegraphing their next move. I think Zeller will be traded and it's too bad but something has to give. The Kemba/MKG/Zeller dynamic isn't a workable starting unit. It's not their fault and each could be a starter elsewhere. I'd rather they move Kemba but that doesn't seem in the cards.

On what planet would signing an end of the bench guy in Hansbrough signify anything? If you are in anyway correct in thinking Hansbrough is a seen as a integral part of the rotation; our Front Office is hopeless and I'll start pulling for Hawks or Magic.

I think if you polled random people in Charlotte on what college they thought Cody went to UNC would win.

I don't think he's integral. But if Cody is traded he slides to 5th big from never playing. I think they were fine with 5 bigs and signing another big who can't shoot - please.

catch20two · Post #124 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:34 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:The more I look at this the more I think the team is telegraphing their next move. I think Zeller will be traded and it's too bad but something has to give. The Kemba/MKG/Zeller dynamic isn't a workable starting unit. It's not their fault and each could be a starter elsewhere. I'd rather they move Kemba but that doesn't seem in the cards.

You're finally catching on. Apples and oranges. Zeller should be traded. I'm just mad that it gotta happen after trading Vonleh. Don't make sense. Cho not dumb enough to trade Kemba but he's smart enough to try to get something for Zeller. In the end I think we keep Zeller because who's gonna give up anything of value for Zeller?

Mystical Apples · Post #125 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:35 pm

I also think MKG and Batum play a decent amount of minutes at the "4" this year. They're going 5 out at times why add a 6th big who can't shoot? A trade is coming.

mrknowitall215 · Post #126 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:39 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:I also think MKG and Batum play a decent amount of minutes at the "4" this year. They're going 5 out at times why add a 6th big who can't shoot? A trade is coming.

Don't overthink it. Ill-fitted rosters are Cho's specialty

Mystical Apples · Post #127 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:39 pm

catch20two wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:The more I look at this the more I think the team is telegraphing their next move. I think Zeller will be traded and it's too bad but something has to give. The Kemba/MKG/Zeller dynamic isn't a workable starting unit. It's not their fault and each could be a starter elsewhere. I'd rather they move Kemba but that doesn't seem in the cards.

You're finally catching on. Apples and oranges. Zeller should be traded. I'm just mad that it gotta happen after trading Vonleh. Don't make sense. Cho not dumb enough to trade Kemba but he's smart enough to try to get something for Zeller. In the end I think we keep Zeller because who's gonna give up anything of value for Zeller?

Ha yeah nothing to do with how good he is. He was one of the, if not the, best players last year. It's about roster construction. And kemba I hope makes a leap this year but if not he's not an attractive trade chip as an inefficient short lead guard who can't switch making 12 mil.

Mystical Apples · Post #128 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:40 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:I also think MKG and Batum play a decent amount of minutes at the "4" this year. They're going 5 out at times why add a 6th big who can't shoot? A trade is coming.

Don't overthink it. Ill-fitted rosters are Cho's specialty

I think in the past. Maybe it continues but all moves the last 3 months say otherwise.

Post #129 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:41 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:I also think MKG and Batum play a decent amount of minutes at the "4" this year. They're going 5 out at times why add a 6th big who can't shoot? A trade is coming.

Because last year Jason Maxiell was pressed into service because of injuries to Al, Biz, and Cody? Assuming the Marvin at PF experiment is done, we have three bigs from last season that needed replacing in Biz, Max, and Marvin. We did so with Hawes, Frank, and Hansbrough.

Hansbrough doesn't fit any part of what they are talking about wanting from a scheme perspective. I don't think they sign him if they expect to integrate him into that scheme in a significant role.

HornetJail · Post #130 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:42 pm

I expect this is a minimum contract. If it's more than Bismack's contract, I'm going to flip a sh*t though. Hansbrough isn't good enough to think that this signing is a sign we're trading Zeller.

tondi123 · Post #131 » by **tondi123** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:44 pm

I don't have a problem with this signing but I certainly hope if it means somebody is getting moved it isn't one of the guys who were actually difference makers for us last season and despite the flak he gets around here Cody certainly fell into that category. Now if it means no more Messy then that's just icing on the cake.

mrknowitall215 · Post #132 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:44 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:I also think MKG and Batum play a decent amount of minutes at the "4" this year. They're going 5 out at times why add a 6th big who can't shoot? A trade is coming.

Don't overthink it. Ill-fitted rosters are Cho's specialty

I think in the past. Maybe it continues but all moves the last 3 months say otherwise.

These are the moves of the last 3 months, and you've just mentioned that there's no need for a 6th big that can't shoot. "Ill-fitted rosters are Cho's specialty". At least this time he's finally added some wing players that can shoot

Mystical Apples · Post #133 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:44 pm

Clifford has opening talked about "5 out" in the mold of Golden State and Batum at the 4. And he can't stop talking about passing and shooting.

Logander · Post #134 » by **Logander** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:44 pm

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Mystical Apples · Post #135 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:46 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Don't overthink it. Ill-fitted rosters are Cho's specialty

I think in the past. Maybe it continues but all moves the last 3 months say otherwise.

These are the moves of the last 3 months, and you've just mentioned that there's no need for a 6th big that can't shoot. "Ill-fitted rosters are Cho's specialty". At least this time he's finally added some wing players that can shoot

I'm saying this because everything I've already mentioned. This signing is not the end game.

Post #136 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:51 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:Clifford has opening talked about "5 out" in the mold of Golden State and Batum at the 4. And he can't stop talking about passing and shooting.

GSW didn't go 5 out until the Finals, and even then it was only in stretches and only worked because Cleveland was a totally unbalanced team with pretty much just one scoring threat and no bigs that could score consistently. One of Bogut, Speights, or Ezeli were always on the floor in the regular season.

Maybe they move Cody, but I don't think they're going to get good value or even appropriate replacement value for how significant his current contributions are.

Fred Williamson · Post #137 » by **Fred Williamson** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:53 pm

trade is coming

Mystical Apples · Post #138 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:53 pm

IMO Cho tried to trade Cody *and* Vonleh - not just one. Cho targeted Belinelli from minute one in FA and struck out. That doesn't mean the need to get a shooter went away, just that he couldn't get his guy.

Here is what I think Cho was shooting for back in June if everything fell into place. Obviously it didn't work perfectly but this is the roster construction he was shooting for. Just pretend TH is now Biz at the end of the bench:

Starters: Kemba, Batum, Rudy Gay (or player X for Cody), Kaminsky, AL
Rotation: MKG, Lin (or equivalent), Hawes, Lamb, Biyombo

MKG could also start at 3 or small lineup. Marvin was included in Cody trade to match salaries

predators · Post #139 » by **predators** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:58 pm

316Hornets wrote:This is a nice signing and I'll tell you why. Tyler Hansbrough is an energy big who is able to change the momentum of a game. He'll provide a nice offensive replacement for when Al Jefferson is not in the game, and thus, keep the floor with proper spacing for guys like Lamb and Hairston to work. Looking at Charlotte's roster before Hansbrough, there was a clear lack of a "bruiser" type guy. Zeller was the only one who really could be considered as such, and Biyambo was too nice of a guy to get into anyone's face. Hansbrough could come into the game and mess with the rhythm of bigs like Kevin Love by playing a tough, aggressive defense. For what he's signed for, a 10 minute, energy guy, Hansbrough fits the picture to a T.

What type of spacing does Hansbrough provide? ('14-'15 Shot Chart linked below) Other than having 6 free fouls to hack Deandre Jordan with; I don't see the value he brings other then sell some Jerseys.

http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/1151/tyler-hansbrough/shotchart/

Mystical Apples · Post #140 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:58 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:Clifford has opening talked about "5 out" in the mold of Golden State and Batum at the 4. And he can't stop talking about passing and shooting.

GSW didn't go 5 out until the Finals, and even then it was only in stretches and only worked because Cleveland was a totally unbalanced team with pretty much just one scoring threat and no bigs that could score consistently. One of Bogut, Speights, or Ezeli were always on the floor in the regular season.

Maybe they move Cody, but I don't think they're going to get good value or even appropriate replacement value for how significant his current contributions are.

GS did some before that - long before when Bogut was hurt and it changed how they viewed the roster. What's important is that Clifford cited this. He also mentioned other teams and strong indication is 4 small + shooter at 5. Their roster moves and/or targets have been consistent with this too.