World Peace - The Tyler Hansbrough Thread

BlackOutBuzz · Post #141 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:59 pm

I really don't wanna rely on Hansbrough to be our defensive big man if we trade Cody. If they couldn't justify giving Biz minutes then Tyler won't see the court either.

I don't think there's anyone available right now via trade that would upgrade any of our starting spots, and trading Zeller for bench players makes no sense in our current win-now state.

And why are we acting as if a 22 year-old can't continue to add range on his shot? He may never be as good as Frank there but he's not MKG either. Hell he may be a better shooter than Kemba.

Post #142 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:00 pm

Biz's +/- last season = +3.5
Tyler's +/- last season = +10.2

Things that are surprising.

Cheeze · Post #143 » by **Cheeze** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:01 pm

No more trades coming folks. The roster is built. Ride with it.

The Hornets have two athletic seven-footers who can slide to the 4 or 5 and a 5 who is a pretty darn good player who can knock down the three. Don't let the color of their skin bias you. Only Jefferson is limited to his position. The team also has a stable of 2's who can man the three at times, so flexibility is there to create matchup advantages at three on0-court positions. Cho just signed the ideal backup point, kept roster flexibility with Harrison's largely unguaranteed contract and has a veteran bench with good rotational balance. Defense will suffer, but that was the obvious point of the offseason.

Signing Hansbrough adds to the blend with toughness and pick-and-pop capabilities. Nothing more to see here.

catch20two · Post #144 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:03 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:
catch20two wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:The more I look at this the more I think the team is telegraphing their next move. I think Zeller will be traded and it's too bad but something has to give. The Kemba/MKG/Zeller dynamic isn't a workable starting unit. It's not their fault and each could be a starter elsewhere. I'd rather they move Kemba but that doesn't seem in the cards.

You're finally catching on. Apples and oranges. Zeller should be traded. I'm just mad that it gotta happen after trading Vonleh. Don't make sense. Cho not dumb enough to trade Kemba but he's smart enough to try to get something for Zeller. In the end I think we keep Zeller because who's gonna give up anything of value for Zeller?

Ha yeah nothing to do with how good he is. He was one of the, if not the, best players last year. It's about roster construction. And kemba I hope makes a leap this year but if not he's not an attractive trade chip as an inefficient short lead guard who can't switch making 12 mil.

Lol. You're pushing the wrong envelope if you think you can get anyone besides LP to believe that Zeller is one of if not our best player.

Mystical Apples · Post #145 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:07 pm

Here's a the GS primer and the philosophy Clifford talks about: gone non-shooters. Replaced by positional length, shooters, passing, and multi-dimensional switching. Batum, Kaminsky, Lamb, Lin, releasing Biz, shipping Lance, trying to trade Cody. Even seemingly minor deals like Harrison:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12273986/how-golden-state-warriors-built-nba-best-defense

Mystical Apples · Post #146 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:09 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Biz's +/- last season = +3.5
Tyler's +/- last season = +10.2

Things that are surprising.

Just view Hansbrough as ZaZa Pachulia super light

Mystical Apples · Post #147 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:12 pm

The best defenses don't sign exclusive "rim protectors" that's so dated and bad cap management.

Snidely FC · Post #148 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:13 pm

Can't wait to see his bobblehead. They should put spring loaded googly eyes on it.

Cheeze · Post #149 » by **Cheeze** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:15 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:Here's a the GS primer and the philosophy Clifford talks about: gone non-shooters. Replaced by positional length, shooters, passing, and multi-dimensional switching. Batum, Kaminsky, Lamb, Lin, releasing Biz, shipping Lance, trying to trade Cody. Even seemingly minor deals like Harrison:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12273986/how-golden-state-warriors-built-nba-best-defense

Steal with pride, I always say. Good read. "Positional length"...I like that.

Mystical Apples · Post #150 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:16 pm

Cheeze wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:Here's a the GS primer and the philosophy Clifford talks about: gone non-shooters. Replaced by positional length, shooters, passing, and multi-dimensional switching. Batum, Kaminsky, Lamb, Lin, releasing Biz, shipping Lance, trying to trade Cody. Even seemingly minor deals like Harrison:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12273986/how-golden-state-warriors-built-nba-best-defense

Steal with pride, I always say. Good read. "Positional length"...I like that.

lol did I steal that or make that up? Seemed right at the time

Mystical Apples · Post #151 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:18 pm

Semi related note: Golden State said this month they *need* more shooters. We're going to have a team soon that takes 40% + of their shots from 3 and it's going to be glorious

Benjamin Linus · Post #152 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:20 pm

Never liked Hansbrough, but I guess he would be alright as a fifth/sixth big. Probably will barely play and will mostly get DNP-CD'd. How much did we sign him for? Vet min?

Cheeze · Post #153 » by **Cheeze** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:36 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:
Cheeze wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:Here's a the GS primer and the philosophy Clifford talks about: gone non-shooters. Replaced by positional length, shooters, passing, and multi-dimensional switching. Batum, Kaminsky, Lamb, Lin, releasing Biz, shipping Lance, trying to trade Cody. Even seemingly minor deals like Harrison:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12273986/how-golden-state-warriors-built-nba-best-defense

Steal with pride, I always say. Good read. "Positional length"...I like that.

lol did I steal that or make that up? Seemed right at the time

No, I mean the Hornets stealing the Warriors's strategy. I can certainly see the attraction from a small-market perspective, where 'team' defense is more meaningful than having a traditional rim protector, which marginalizes the need for overpaid superstars.

Clifford does have a few things right. He demands his defense get back after a missed shot, which forces opponents to slow down and work to score. He works the percentages and keeps his players in a set rotation. There's been a lot of bad commentary on Clifford's rotations, but his idea is to give players minutes on a schedule they can count on. I like that, as long as he doesn't marry himself to it.

Gaining positional length and spreading the offensive threat quotient to all spaces of the court will help the strategy work. It can work. It'll make Al more effective and efficient, Kemba less damaging to spacing, free up room for MKG to drive or go for the offensive rebound, and give Batum and Cody clear operating space.

It'll be a pretty good defense except at the rim, and that's a bad place to design a defense around anyway. Space at the rim is where defensive efficiency ends and offensive efficiency begins. It's a negative sliding scale. Better to design a defense that can extend and defend with balance. Charlotte will have trouble with teams that attack on the low block, but they'll be forced to work for it.

Braggins · Post #154 » by **Braggins** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:38 pm

You guys are seriously tripping if you think our offense is going to look anything like Golden State lol. Have you not watched this team play at all in the Clifford "era"? Epic level gullibility.

Cheeze · Post #155 » by **Cheeze** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:46 pm

Not looking to duplicate GS's offense. But how they built their defense is something Clifford can steal with pride.

Braggins · Post #156 » by **Braggins** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:51 pm

Cheeze wrote:Not looking to duplicate GS's offense. But how they built their defense is something Clifford can steal with pride.

Golden State starts one of the premier paint/rim protectors in the NBA and gives minutes to another dedicated rim protector. We have the softest frontcourt in the NBA and no above average rim protectors. Basing the defense solely on the wing and abandoning the paint isn't really emulating Golden State, it is just bad coaching and management. We did add length on the perimeter, but Clifford has always preached that he valued length and size.

Mystical Apples · Post #157 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:00 pm

These concepts seem elusive even to some franchises. Maybe it's a math or performance -to -cap figure thing. At it's core I think the shiny individual/tangible is easier to quantify than the unit/performance dynamic. There will always be trade offs but Charlotte is moving toward the latter and that's a good thing.

Post #158 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:03 pm

Braggins wrote:
Cheeze wrote:Not looking to duplicate GS's offense. But how they built their defense is something Clifford can steal with pride.

Golden State starts one of the premier paint/rim protectors in the NBA and gives minutes to another dedicated rim protector.

I think it might support the counter argument though when GSW had an elite rim protecting starting C, and he still only got 23 MPG in the regular season and got benched in the Finals.

Post #159 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:07 pm

Sooooo.....at what point does it become meaningful that no official Hornets outlets have mentioned anything about Hansbrough?

Mystical Apples · Post #160 » by **Mystical Apples** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:08 pm

Braggins wrote:You guys are seriously tripping if you think our offense is going to look anything like Golden State lol. Have you not watched this team play at all in the Clifford "era"? Epic level gullibility.

It's and evolving game and has been happening for over a decade but people haven't paid attention for some reason. For every dumb move the Knicks, Nets, Lakers, and Sacramento make there are 10 smarter franchises exploiting them. Golden State is an extreme because they are the best (or a combination of cause/effect). Spurs, Golden State, Houston, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Miami, Orlando spacing a decade ago, Portland 2 decades ago, etc..

It's been happening for a while GS is just latest example. Trace it back to early Bulls teams. Length everywhere, no rim protection but the defenses were amazing.