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State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (FIBA Americas Aug.31-Sep.15)

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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#761 » by LLJ » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:39 pm

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Agree with most of your assessment (although I didn't really notice Mullings). Murray was definitely holding back. There is a lot more to his game. He is the most overall skilled player on the roster by far.

Everytime I see Benett play, I understand why he isn't making it in the NBA. He just isn't assertive enough. He lacks aggression for a guy with his bulk & athleticism. I watch him moving on the court sometimes & he just kind of prances around. Doesn't move with purpose or aggression. A guy like him should be able to dominate in a game like this, but he just has no motor. I give the guy a 2/10 on the motor scale.

The good news is that he has the right people around him right now. People that care about his success as a basketball player. In Triano's interview with Tim & Sid he said that Benett is probably the player that could benefit most from playing on the National Team & I couldn't agree more. The guy has a ton of talent, but he needs to find his game, gain some confidence & find his inner beast.


Actually, what struck me most is the lack of explosiveness Bennett has. He's an athletic big man in terms of end to end speed and the like, but he doesn't have that first step or strong power move that the best bigs have. Whenever he tries a move near the basket he often gets stuck or finds himself needing to force it up. There are times when he goes in for a contested dunk that better big men would have powered through, but Bennett would lose the ball or get it knocked away. His touch around the basket is also mediocre for an NBA big. He'll definitely be a solid player for Team Canada for many years, but I really do see why he has a tough time in the NBA.

As for Heslip, I think he's a better shooter and better at using screens than English was. His shooting form is just a thing of beauty. He's too small and slow to make it in the NBA, but in the international game he's the ultimate zone breaker. He's definitely someone who can pile up huge point numbers on any given night when he gets hot.
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#762 » by aminiaturebuddha » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:32 pm

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Doornekamp starting doesn't not bode well for our back up SF spot on the FIBA team. I tend to believe you when it likely means the role is his to lose. It is just a shame that we have no one yet that would be a better SF. I was hoping Ejim would snag it.


Ugh Dornekamp. He tries hard, and is probably a good guy in the locker room, but he is just so limited in so many different ways. I was also hoping Ejim might have been the answer, he seems to be steadily improving his range, but if the coaches see him strictly as a small ball PF there's no way he makes it given the depth we have at the 4.

Maybe they can just go small with lineups with Joseph, Stauskas and English on the floor at the same time or something when Wiggins isn't in the game. Dyshawn Pierre or Brooks better hurry up and develop enough that they can take that spot for the Olympic team next year (if we qualify)!
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#763 » by Crazy_NBA_Fan » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:20 pm

What channel is this being televised?
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#764 » by NBACommissioner » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:51 pm

Crazy_NBA_Fan wrote:What channel is this being televised?


Probably won't be because CBC is dumb and broke.
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#765 » by Crazy_NBA_Fan » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:55 pm

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Crazy_NBA_Fan wrote:What channel is this being televised?


Probably won't be because CBC is dumb and broke.


Wow, that's crazy man. Their showing the Dominican vs Mexico game right now but their not going to show their own home country play? I think you're right, I just saw something about going to the main website for live streaming for the Canada vs Argentina game.
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#766 » by LLJ » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:06 pm

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Crazy_NBA_Fan wrote:What channel is this being televised?


Probably won't be because CBC is dumb and broke.


Wow, that's crazy man. Their showing the Dominican vs Mexico game right now but their not going to show their own home country play? I think you're right, I just saw something about going to the main website for live streaming for the Canada vs Argentina game.


They don't air Pan Am coverage at 6:00pm.

Remember, folks:

2:00pm - 5:00pm
8:00pm - 10:00pm
11:30pm- 12:30am

They are running Dominican Rep vs Mexico because it actually finished hours ago. You're probably watching an edited 1 hour version right now.

These are the times when CBC is airing Pan Am coverage on TV. They will not start earlier or go later. This is why most of the TV coverage are edited recaps, in order to fit the games into their TV schedule which must be Obeyed at ALL COSTS. :roll:
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#767 » by curryking3 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:07 pm

Why isn't Caboclo playing on Brazil....

Has be betrayed his family?!
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#768 » by Troubadour » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:15 pm

curryking3 wrote:Why isn't Caboclo playing on Brazil....

Has be betrayed his family?!


Raptors have him on a regimented development plan for the entire summer. I think he has a total of 2-3 weeks off.
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Re: Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#769 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:25 pm

curryking3 wrote:Why isn't Caboclo playing on Brazil....

Has be betrayed his family?!


How do you know he'd make it?
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Re: Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#770 » by curryking3 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:29 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:
curryking3 wrote:Why isn't Caboclo playing on Brazil....

Has be betrayed his family?!


How do you know he'd make it?


Masai told me so.... personally.

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P.S.

Full game Venezuela versus Brazil: http://panam.cbc.ca/videos/live/video/mens-basketball-1330-570567.html

Next game is confirmed for transmission on CBC's streaming thing at 6 tonight. Be there or get deported!

It will show up on the ticker of videos at the top near 6 pm here: http://panam.cbc.ca/index.html
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#771 » by Crazy_NBA_Fan » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:50 pm

Can someone confirm Team Canada's roster posted in the original posting for this thread to be accurate? The roster looks too good for Canada not to finish with a gold medal. Also, Tristan Thompson hasn't even signed his contract yet but he's supposed to be playing?
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#772 » by frumble » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:18 pm

Crazy_NBA_Fan wrote:Can someone confirm Team Canada's roster posted in the original posting for this thread to be accurate? The roster looks too good for Canada not to finish with a gold medal. Also, Tristan Thompson hasn't even signed his contract yet but he's supposed to be playing?


The roster in the first post is not the actual roster.

This is a C-rate tournament to which Canada has sent a B team.

The actual roster is:

Cadougan
Murray

English
Heslip
Mullings

Doornekamp
Brooks

Nicholson
Ejim
Wiltjer

Bennett
Bhullar
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Post#773 » by Potential » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:19 pm

Why isn't Wiggins playing? Where's LeBron and the other stars for team USA?
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#774 » by Pooh_Jeter » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:29 pm

frumble wrote:I think there is a decent chance that we see all of these guys on the FIBA qualifying team in Mexico.

The problem is lack of alternatives. Even assuming that we have Joseph, Stauskas, and Wiggins as our starters at guard/wing, we still need backups. Most likely four backups at these positions.

Re Cadougan, who else is there for backup PG? Ennis is injured; Murray will be in school (as much as eligibility for one-and-done's is a farce, especially at a basketball factory like UK, I just can't see a guy missing the first 3+ weeks of school); Pangos may still be looking for a contract; Hanlan may still be looking for a contract and isn't a pure PG; we have no idea why Anderson was cut, and whether he is still in the fold; Mullings is not a PG; and Kabongo doesn't appear to be on the radar anymore.

So, maybe Pangos and/or Anderson comes on board, but I think there is a non-trivial chance that Cadougan is the backup in Mexico.


Re Doornekamp, the problem is again lack of alternatives. Who else is there? Kris Joseph has been off the radar since walking out on the team a couple summers ago. Brooks will be in school (and, in any case, isn't yet good enough). I like Ejim, but it seems the staff sees him as a 4, competing with Nicholson and Bennett for a spot, not a 3. So, unless that changes, it will likely come down to Doornekamp and Shepherd, and I think Doornekamp is the favorite.


Re English, we have four viable SG options - Stauskas, Heslip, English, and Rautins - for three spots. Heslip looked better than English yesterday, but it was one game. Both can be hot and cold in terms of their shooting, and English does have a height and experience advantage. That being said, I think both will make the qualifying team, with Stauskas, and that Rautins will be the odd man out (if all four are healthy and in camp).


Regarding the back-up PG, I thought Pangos/Anderson were the most likely to fill that spot. Like you mentioned, not sure where Anderson stands right now though. The issue with Cadougan is that he has been turnover prone and hasn't exactly been running the offense to perfection. If he was just steady/unspectacular it would make sense to bring him aboard, but at this point I don't see how you can play him in any meaningful minutes.

Given that CoJo will see the majority of time at PG you won't have to fill a ton of minutes there. Hanlan didn't have a good Summer League, but he should be a better option. If you can run your offense through Wiggins/Stauskas or the bigs (Olynyk) it lessens the need for a more traditional PG off the bench.

As for Doornekamp, I think the Pan-Am's are an opportunity for him to earn a spot on the Fiba Americas team given the uncertainty at the wings and given his service to the National Team over the years. Ejim should be the back-up 3, but even if the coaching staff sees him as more of a big, I don't think a traditional back-up SF is a necessity. Wiggins should get a lot of minutes at the 3 and given the FIBA competition I think you can get away with playing a guy like Stauskas there too.
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Post#775 » by mojo13 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:39 pm

Potential wrote:Why isn't Wiggins playing? Where's LeBron and the other stars for team USA?


I can never tell if these are real questions or sly trolling. Are people really that lazy that they can't read a few pages of posts or one or two clicks of the button to research these types of questions? Lazy. :banghead:


Anyways - back to the PG discussion - I think Pangos, Anderson and Hanlan may be in play for FIBA Americas and maybe Murray too. I'd have to bet at least one of those four will be available so I am not too worried about Caduogan. I'd give him a little more rope and see the next few games before writing him off though.

I do think we (as fans) try to pigeon hole guys into 1-2-3-4-5 slots where I am not sure the coaches see it that way. Brad Stevens (Celtics head coach) has been most vocal about this and going on record with his ballhandler/wing/swing/big view of position-less bball (and not all are needed on the floor at the same time as evidenced by the Warriors run). Others have come out and said that is how many coaches have viewed the game this way for years.

this team is obviously mostly playing without a traditional "5" and I am sure we can go without a traditional "3".
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Post#776 » by Potential » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:56 pm

mojo13 wrote:
Potential wrote:Why isn't Wiggins playing? Where's LeBron and the other stars for team USA?


I can never tell if these are real questions or sly trolling. Are people really that lazy that they can't read a few pages of posts or one or two clicks of the button to research these types of questions? Lazy. :banghead:


Source?
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#777 » by Crazy_NBA_Fan » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:25 pm

frumble wrote:
Crazy_NBA_Fan wrote:Can someone confirm Team Canada's roster posted in the original posting for this thread to be accurate? The roster looks too good for Canada not to finish with a gold medal. Also, Tristan Thompson hasn't even signed his contract yet but he's supposed to be playing?


The roster in the first post is not the actual roster.

This is a C-rate tournament to which Canada has sent a B team.

The actual roster is:

Cadougan
Murray

English
Heslip
Mullings

Doornekamp
Brooks

Nicholson
Ejim
Wiltjer

Bennett
Bhullar


Thanks bro, I lost patience and went to the Pan Am Games basketball website for the roster after my post. I like the spread for Canada against Argentina tonight.
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State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. PR 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#778 » by Tyrone Slothrop » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:01 pm

The game is against Argentina, not Puerto Rico
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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (CAN vs. ARG 6 PM July 22, 2015) 

Post#779 » by wtfbosh » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:06 pm

Doorenkamp again?

Triano still loves to play scrubs over young talent eh
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Post#780 » by Undefeated » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:07 pm

Good rim run by AB and sealing his man early

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