The Official Should We Have Signed Thad Thread

[MrDollarBills]

http://hoopshype.com/2015/07/19/the-great-big-myth-of-free-agency-2016/

There is the potential for 24 out of 30 teams looking to have an estimated $825 million in cap space. Many fans are wide-eyed by the idea of their favorite team having “lots of cap space” for the summer of 2016. After all, LeBron James and Kevin Durant are free agents next year.

Yet when you look closer… Beyond these two All-Stars, what is the talent level available? Will there be enough true talent for teams to spend at least $81 million?
...
If you think you can land a restricted free agent, think again. The summer of 2015 proved one more time that restricted free agents are hard to get. Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard agreed to terms on the first day with Chicago and San Antonio. The next prized restricted free agent, Draymond Green, agreed to terms the following day with Golden State.
...
So who has the advantage going into next summer?

Teams that spent money either retaining their own free agents or landing a key player this past summer already have an edge going into 2016.
...
The free agent class of 2016 may end up being known as the summer of inflation. What no one is really talking about yet but should be is the class of the summer of 2017. That’s when the free agent class really overflows with talent. Stephen Curry, Chris Paul (PO), Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin (PO), Hayward (PO), Serge Ibaka, Rudy Gay (PO), Paul Millsap (PO) and Monroe (PO) just to name a few.

There will be much more talent to go around with a free agent class that is full of young stars with tremendous upsides. But can teams find a way to navigate the unpredictable waters of the much-hyped summer of 2016 to get the real treasure?

Bobby Marks was the Nets’ assistant general manager from 2010 to 2015. You can follow him on Twitter @bobbymarks42.

I've been saying this for weeks. Unless you have delusions of getting Durant and Lebron on the same team, who cares about the 2016 FA pool?

[Paradise]

http://hoopshype.com/2015/07/19/the-great-big-myth-of-free-agency-2016/

There is the potential for 24 out of 30 teams looking to have an estimated $825 million in cap space. Many fans are wide-eyed by the idea of their favorite team having “lots of cap space” for the summer of 2016. After all, LeBron James and Kevin Durant are free agents next year.

Yet when you look closer… Beyond these two All-Stars, what is the talent level available? Will there be enough true talent for teams to spend at least $81 million?
...
If you think you can land a restricted free agent, think again. The summer of 2015 proved one more time that restricted free agents are hard to get. Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard agreed to terms on the first day with Chicago and San Antonio. The next prized restricted free agent, Draymond Green, agreed to terms the following day with Golden State.
...
So who has the advantage going into next summer?

Teams that spent money either retaining their own free agents or landing a key player this past summer already have an edge going into 2016.
...
The free agent class of 2016 may end up being known as the summer of inflation. What no one is really talking about yet but should be is the class of the summer of 2017. That’s when the free agent class really overflows with talent. Stephen Curry, Chris Paul (PO), Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin (PO), Hayward (PO), Serge Ibaka, Rudy Gay (PO), Paul Millsap (PO) and Monroe (PO) just to name a few.

There will be much more talent to go around with a free agent class that is full of young stars with tremendous upsides. But can teams find a way to navigate the unpredictable waters of the much-hyped summer of 2016 to get the real treasure?

Bobby Marks was the Nets’ assistant general manager from 2010 to 2015. You can follow him on Twitter @bobbymarks42.

I've been saying this for weeks. Unless you have delusions of getting Durant and Lebron on the same team, who cares about the 2016 FA pool?

We should be concerned with trying land Conley, Bledsoe, Batum, Ryan Anderson, Al Horford, Gerald Green, Hassan Whiteside, etc. That's where we have to focus our attention. It's beyond short sided to put all this effort into Durant or LeBron instead of trying to push for a Conley-Batum-Horford trio that is a little more within our range of opportunity.

[SIC]

http://hoopshype.com/2015/07/19/the-great-big-myth-of-free-agency-2016/

I've been saying this for weeks. Unless you have delusions of getting Durant and Lebron on the same team, who cares about the 2016 FA pool?

We should be concerned with trying land Conley, Bledsoe, Batum, Ryan Anderson, Al Horford, Gerald Green, Hassan Whiteside, etc. That's where we have to focus our attention. It's beyond short sided to put all this effort into Durant or LeBron instead of trying to push for a Conley-Batum-Horford trio that is a little more within our range of opportunity.

I doubt Conley leaves MEM. Gasol probably got some type of reassurance from Conley that he was going to stick around.

Batum makes some sense for cheap, but I also doubt Horford leaves ATL too.

[Paradise]

I've been saying this for weeks. Unless you have delusions of getting Durant and Lebron on the same team, who cares about the 2016 FA pool?

We should be concerned with trying land Conley, Bledsoe, Batum, Ryan Anderson, Al Horford, Gerald Green, Hassan Whiteside, etc. That's where we have to focus our attention. It's beyond short sided to put all this effort into Durant or LeBron instead of trying to push for a Conley-Batum-Horford trio that is a little more within our range of opportunity.

I doubt Conley leaves MEM. Gasol probably got some type of reassurance from Conley that he was going to stick around.

Batum makes some sense for cheap, but I also doubt Horford leaves ATL too.

We're going to make a couple pitches, regardless. Nobody saw actually Aldridge or Jordan leaving either. We at least have some sort of familiarity when it comes to a pitch at Conley. Either way, we should be building on our current foundation instead of extensive chasing Durant only.

[MrDollarBills]

Anderson makes sense. Batum as well. Conley isn't coming here.

I'd prefer some sensible signings to improve the team incrementally and then see what we can do in 2017 if we still have a max spot open.

[jbeachboy]

http://hoopshype.com/2015/07/19/the-great-big-myth-of-free-agency-2016/

I've been saying this for weeks. Unless you have delusions of getting Durant and Lebron on the same team, who cares about the 2016 FA pool?

We should be concerned with trying land Conley, Bledsoe, Batum, Ryan Anderson, Al Horford, Gerald Green, Hassan Whiteside, etc. That's where we have to focus our attention. It's beyond short sided to put all this effort into Durant or LeBron instead of trying to push for a Conley-Batum-Horford trio that is a little more within our range of opportunity.

ryan anderson has been o decline with injuries and declining play

[MrDollarBills]

Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook worked out together on UCLA's campus on Monday with Billy Donovan in attendance. Durant and Westbrook went through individual shooting and skill drills.

On Tuesday, the trio were joined by several teammates and support staff.

Among those confirmed in attendance: Durant, Westbrook, Donovan, Serge Ibaka, Nick Collison, Steven Adams, Anthony Morrow, Dion Waiters, Kyle Singler, D.J. Augustin, rookie Cameron Payne, assistant coach Monty Williams and Blue coach Royal Ivey.



Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka organized the voluntary workouts.

Sounds like a guy that is just dying to come to the Nets

[Hello Brooklyn]

Personally, I'm against the free agent strategy in general. If I'm the Nets I let Lopez walk after his contract expires. And then I focus on rebuilding through the draft.

No big time free agent will come here without a foundation. Theres no top team in the league that didn't draft their foundation. Or any recent champion for that matter.

[Paradise]

Personally, I'm against the free agent strategy in general. If I'm the Nets I let Lopez walk after his contract expires. And then I focus on rebuilding through the draft.

No big time free agent will come here without a foundation. Theres no top team in the league that didn't draft their foundation. Or any recent champion for that matter.

Well, the concept of putting together a foundation is what we're doing now. I would only do that if it didn't work in the next three years.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Personally, I'm against the free agent strategy in general. If I'm the Nets I let Lopez walk after his contract expires. And then I focus on rebuilding through the draft.

No big time free agent will come here without a foundation. Theres no top team in the league that didn't draft their foundation. Or any recent champion for that matter.

Well, the concept of putting together a foundation is what we're doing now. I would only do that if it didn't work in the next three years.

What are you talking about?

What foundation? Brook Lopez and Thad Young is not the foundation I mean. Its a foundation of superstar level talent.

[MrDollarBills]

Tanking before didn't help us get John Wall or Anthony Davis...so...no.

[Paradise]

Personally, I'm against the free agent strategy in general. If I'm the Nets I let Lopez walk after his contract expires. And then I focus on rebuilding through the draft.

No big time free agent will come here without a foundation. Theres no top team in the league that didn't draft their foundation. Or any recent champion for that matter.

Well, the concept of putting together a foundation is what we're doing now. I would only do that if it didn't work in the next three years.

What are you talking about?

What foundation? Brook Lopez and Thad Young is not the foundation I mean. Its a foundation of superstar level talent.

Superstar foundation? How often is that? Philly has been chasing that dream and it's not there. I'd rather build a 'team' with an identity than hunt for a star studded roster. We can't tank until 2019 and there is absolutely no way that happens unless we're competitive from now til then. We should be concerned with building on what we have now. The goal should be adding Batum and other pieces that fit next summer.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Well, the concept of putting together a foundation is what we're doing now. I would only do that if it didn't work in the next three years.

What are you talking about?

What foundation? Brook Lopez and Thad Young is not the foundation I mean. Its a foundation of superstar level talent.

Superstar foundation? How often is that? Philly has been chasing that dream and it's not there. I'd rather build a 'team' with an identity than hunt for a star studded roster. We can't tank until 2019 and there is absolutely no way that happens unless we're competitive from now til then. We should be concerned with building on what we have now. The goal should be adding Batum and other pieces that fit next summer.

Its not very often, and not very many teams win championships.

I would WAY rather be Philly than Brooklyn. Lets see where theyre at in 5 years. At least they have a chance to be great. What do we have a chance at? Building another 2nd round playoff team?

Tired of the same old stuff. I want the Nets to win a title. We can build what we have now, but come 2019 its time to blow it all up.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Tanking before didn't help us get John Wall or Anthony Davis...so...no.

Ok. And whats the alternative?

At least with tanking we had a chance to get John Wall or Anthony Davis. And FYI we should have gotten Lillard. But we traded him for the corpse of Gerald Wallace.

[Universe]

Tanking before didn't help us get John Wall or Anthony Davis...so...no.

Ok. And whats the alternative?

At least with tanking we had a chance to get John Wall or Anthony Davis. And FYI we should have gotten Lillard. But we traded him for the corpse of Gerald Wallace.

We traded Harrison Barnes for Gerald Wallace, essentially.

[Paradise]

What are you talking about?

What foundation? Brook Lopez and Thad Young is not the foundation I mean. Its a foundation of superstar level talent.

Superstar foundation? How often is that? Philly has been chasing that dream and it's not there. I'd rather build a 'team' with an identity than hunt for a star studded roster. We can't tank until 2019 and there is absolutely no way that happens unless we're competitive from now til then. We should be concerned with building on what we have now. The goal should be adding Batum and other pieces that fit next summer.

Its not very often, and not very many teams win championships.

I would WAY rather be Philly than Brooklyn. Lets see where theyre at in 5 years. At least they have a chance to be great. What do we have a chance at? Building another 2nd round playoff team?

Tired of the same old stuff. I want the Nets to win a title. We can build what we have now, but come 2019 its time to blow it all up.

The Sixers have a seven year rebuild plan. Unless, they luck out and draft a generional superstar. They will be in the lottery in four to five years. Embiid is looking like Oden 2.0 and Okafor is projected to be Al Jefferson at best. This is Year 3 and they are far from being close to where Orlando, Milwaukee, Minnesota and Utah are currently.

The Nets best shot at a championship is simply by building a team like Atlanta or Memphis. None of those franchises strictly built through the draft. They acquired a good piece after good piece and created a culture for them to thrive. We have a cornerstone center and a cornerstone SF (knock on wood). We start there and expand to the other positions. THAT is building a foundation.

[kamaze]

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Its not very often, and not very many teams win championships.

I would WAY rather be Philly than Brooklyn. Lets see where theyre at in 5 years. At least they have a chance to be great. What do we have a chance at? Building another 2nd round playoff team?

Tired of the same old stuff. I want the Nets to win a title. We can build what we have now, but come 2019 its time to blow it all up.[/quote]


Not making the playoffs in the east means you're a horrible team you can make the playoffs with a losing record.

Teams that are in the lottery every year usually stay that way (Minnesota, Sacramento, Orlando) Getting lottery picks doesn't make a contender the team needs an identity with a system that works. I'm glad Billy went with players the coach wanted this year hope it stays that way watching the games not knowing what team is going to show up is frustrating.

Lottery picks don't even want to go to Philly let alone free agents in 5 years they'll be mediocore. I'd rather the team be built the way LH see's fit.

[MrDollarBills]

Tanking before didn't help us get John Wall or Anthony Davis...so...no.

Ok. And whats the alternative?

At least with tanking we had a chance to get John Wall or Anthony Davis. And FYI we should have gotten Lillard. But we traded him for the corpse of Gerald Wallace.

We were never drafting Lilliard, but tanking produces a toxic environment. No one seems to remember how horrible it was during that 12-70 season. Tanking is not a plan, its a goddamn prayer.

You build a team, while maintaining wiggle room and flexibility. When we get our picks back tanking shouldn't be the plan to utilize those picks.

The Sixers have been tanking for years now. They may have FINALLY hit paydirt with Okafor. Meanwhile, they are destroying their fanbase, and the environment is so toxic there agents are telling their players to stay away.

I cannot fathom the mindset of wanting to sit through losing seasons. Once you start tanking, its a long ways back. We need to build and develop a talent base. Tanking does NOT develop talent.

[MrDollarBills]

Superstar foundation? How often is that? Philly has been chasing that dream and it's not there. I'd rather build a 'team' with an identity than hunt for a star studded roster. We can't tank until 2019 and there is absolutely no way that happens unless we're competitive from now til then. We should be concerned with building on what we have now. The goal should be adding Batum and other pieces that fit next summer.

Its not very often, and not very many teams win championships.

I would WAY rather be Philly than Brooklyn. Lets see where theyre at in 5 years. At least they have a chance to be great. What do we have a chance at? Building another 2nd round playoff team?

Tired of the same old stuff. I want the Nets to win a title. We can build what we have now, but come 2019 its time to blow it all up.

The Sixers have a seven year rebuild plan. Unless, they luck out and draft a generional superstar. They will be in the lottery in four to five years. Embiid is looking like Oden 2.0 and Okafor is projected to be Al Jefferson at best. This is Year 3 and they are far from being close to where Orlando, Milwaukee, Minnesota and Utah are currently.

The Nets best shot at a championship is simply by building a team like Atlanta or Memphis. None of those franchises strictly built through the draft. They acquired a good piece after good piece and created a culture for them to thrive. We have a cornerstone center and a cornerstone SF (knock on wood). We start there and expand to the other positions. THAT is building a foundation.

Amen. Amass talent, and develop players and a culture of accountability and winning. Anything else is lunacy.

[Prokorov]

Its not very often, and not very many teams win championships.

I would WAY rather be Philly than Brooklyn. Lets see where theyre at in 5 years. At least they have a chance to be great. What do we have a chance at? Building another 2nd round playoff team?

Tired of the same old stuff. I want the Nets to win a title. We can build what we have now, but come 2019 its time to blow it all up.

The Sixers have a seven year rebuild plan. Unless, they luck out and draft a generional superstar. They will be in the lottery in four to five years. Embiid is looking like Oden 2.0 and Okafor is projected to be Al Jefferson at best. This is Year 3 and they are far from being close to where Orlando, Milwaukee, Minnesota and Utah are currently.

The Nets best shot at a championship is simply by building a team like Atlanta or Memphis. None of those franchises strictly built through the draft. They acquired a good piece after good piece and created a culture for them to thrive. We have a cornerstone center and a cornerstone SF (knock on wood). We start there and expand to the other positions. THAT is building a foundation.

Amen. Amass talent, and develop players and a culture of accountability and winning. Anything else is lunacy.

Why cant you amass talent and develop players and aculture of accountability and winning without thad young? we cant develop RHJ, bogs, brown, robinson, boatright, larkin, mcc if thad isnt here?

if you want to keep thad, thats fine, but using that argument as a reason to keep thad doesnt hold any water.