State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (FIBA Americas Aug.31-Sep.15)

curryking3 · Post #941 » by **curryking3** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:12 am

mojo13 wrote:
curryking3 wrote:Got a Team Canada highlight reel coming up..... just has to process on YT lol.

Be nice, first time I've made a highlight reel!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADKCKNIcuPU[/youtube]

If you watch on YT itself it should go up to 60 fps (not that it matters, since the source is not 60 fps).

And it should be up to 1080p60 later in the evening, enjoy and cheers

Full game here: http://panam.cbc.ca/videos/live/video/mens-basketball-1800-570569.html
Thank you so much for the highlight reel on YouTube. I am outside the country and can't access the CBC stream. Your highlights was all I got to see and they were great!

Glad to help friend.

Consider using Hola or another IP spoofing method to mimic a Canadian IP so you can watch the next game

Dr Comeback · Post #942 » by **Dr Comeback** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:58 am

SharoneWright wrote:
Dr Comeback wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:Joseph/Murray/Hanlan(PG/SG)
Stauskas/Heslip
Wiggins/Ejim
Thompson/Lyles/Nicholson
Olynyk/Sacre

-Ennis injured

-Bennett is the last cut; but he doesn't beat Lyles or Nicholson as a 4 or Ejim as a 3...

-Hanlan doubles as the 3rd PG and the 3rd SG
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I'm sorry Lyles over Bennett? Trey a completely unknown commodity, has little FIBA experience and is 19 years old. not sure how you justify that.

He's better.

With a greater track record in intl play.

I mean Trey Lyles put up stats in volume, struggled to stay above 40% from 2 during his Team Canada runs, meanwhile Benett (a late bloomer) was 14 an dn 7 on almost 60% from 2 and 40% from 3.

Also Bennett was SIGNIFICANTLY better at UNLV than Trey Lyles was at Kentucky never mind the fact that AB is 2 years older.

You may think Trey is a better prospect, but to say that he's better right this very second is not only foolish but ignorant of how much age impacts expected performance.

Luckily for us you aren't running team Canada and I don't think hes even available.

frumble · Post #943 » by **frumble** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:06 am

This Lyles discussion is moot; he has indicated that he won't play for Canada this summer - is concentrating on getting ready for NBA season. I expect he will be a participant in the program in the future, but not this summer.

Mojo, you are probably right; at least one of the bigs I listed will opt out, if not more.

Assuming Sacre and Thompson don't play, I am quite comfortable with Olynyk, Nicholson, Bennett, and Powell as the main four bigs (with either Anthony or Ejim as the fifth).

NBACommissioner · Post #944 » by **NBACommissioner** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:08 am

Dr Comeback wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:
Dr Comeback wrote:\

I'm sorry Lyles over Bennett? Trey a completely unknown commodity, has little FIBA experience and is 19 years old. not sure how you justify that.

He's better.

With a greater track record in intl play.

I mean Trey Lyles put up stats in volume, struggled to stay above 40% from 2 during his Team Canada runs, meanwhile Benett (a late bloomer) was 14 an dn 7 on almost 60% from 2 and 40% from 3.

Also Bennett was SIGNIFICANTLY better at UNLV than Trey Lyles was at Kentucky never mind the fact that AB is 2 years older.

You may think Trey is a better prospect, but to say that he's better right this very second is not only foolish but ignorant of how much age impacts expected performance.

Luckily for us you aren't running team Canada and I don't think hes even available.

Trey actually would make a SF he played it at Kentucky and Canada is weak there

I think this would be the Ideal Roster

Pg Cojo/Murray/Heslip
Sg Wiggins/Stauskas/Mullings
SF Bennett/Lyles (both of these guys could play SF)
Pf Olynyk/Nicholson/Powell
C Thompson/Sacre

aminiaturebuddha · Post #945 » by **aminiaturebuddha** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:56 am

frumble wrote:This Lyles discussion is moot; he has indicated that he won't play for Canada this summer - is concentrating on getting ready for NBA season. I expect he will be a participant in the program in the future, but not this summer.

Mojo, you are probably right; at least one of the bigs I listed will opt out, if not more.

Assuming Sacre and Thompson don't play, I am quite comfortable with Olynyk, Nicholson, Bennett, and Powell as the main four bigs (with either Anthony or Ejim as the fifth).

To answer your original question, if we were talking just talent, Sacre would probably be the one cut. But as he may be the only true 5, I would expect they'd keep him (at least for defensive purposes at times when Olynyk and Nicholson just can't get the job done). I don't think I'd "assume" he won't play. I'm not sure he would have made the trip over to Europe last summer to play in a few of those exhibition games if he didn't have an interest in being part of the program. Plus, Nash has still been hanging around the Lakers lately, so you'd think he's probably been in his ear a little bit about it.

I'm starting to think Thompson may not get things sorted out with his contract in time for him to play. If that's the case and he's the only one, the big man rotation of Olynyk,Nicholson, Bennett, Powell and Sacre will still be quite good, maybe tied with Brazil as the best in the FIBA Americas tournament. If Thompson does play, I would guess Bennett or Powell would be cut.

UcanUwill · Post #946 » by **UcanUwill** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:22 am

Mattd97 wrote:
Steven1562 wrote:
Mattd97 wrote:
english is decorated in the spanish top league, and has played in the italian and greek top leagues as well as euroleague. hes probably the best canadian player in the world not named wiggins or nash

youre just showing your own ignorance. hes had a poor couple games, that doesnt change the fact that he's been a star player in the best leagues outside of the nba for years. hes on the opposite side of his career as the young guys, but if you put them in a single game english is the better player. that doesnt mean he should be leading team canada, and doesnt mean hes played well, but to act like he hasnt carried this team many times and is more accomplished than nearly any other canadian in recent memory is just wrong

Englsih never played on a top ACB team though, never cracked that barrier. His team made Euroleague once, and hes been pretty underwhelming in it anyway, 8 points per game.
He spent last 2 years playing in Greece, on the middle of the pack AEK team. Hes been good, but at BEST hes an adequate player by top European standards. If he played on top Spanish or Greek team like OLY or Barca he would be lucky to get any consistent minutes if even that. To say he is better than some established NBA players is absurd.

Cross-over · Post #947 » by **Cross-over** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:40 am

For those concerned about Heslip's ability to play defense I know it's just Pan Am's but the guy was out there in crunch time. Whatever defensive liabilities he has are made up for by his offensive contributions. Particularly in todays NBA. Which ever team eventually signs him will have a steal on the end of the bench.

Cross-over · Post #948 » by **Cross-over** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:47 am

If you watch this play with Nicholson you can see the Argintine guard Compazzo on Heslip. He thinks several times about going down to help his man double AN but has to stay close to Brady allowing all the time in the world for Andrew to post up his man and score.

https://youtu.be/ADKCKNIcuPU?t=233

wtfbosh · Post #949 » by **wtfbosh** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:47 pm

Canada plays Mexico today at 6 pm

tosi · Post #950 » by **tosi** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:30 pm

Was Anyone else at the game?

Andrew Nicholson played really well. I wish he was on the raptors.

Jamal Murray could be a really solid in the future. I like how he attacked the basketball. I feel like he needs to just finish his drive more but other than that he seemed solid.

Sim Bhullar looked so terrible out there. He is so huge compared to everyone physically and height wise. He is very bad at positioning and his awareness is very lacking. I think if he can work on positioning, he could be a solid player.

Edit just saw the other Pan AM thread. Sorry, Could you merge this?

Ganan23 · Post #951 » by **Ganan23** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:32 pm

Damn someone send me the tv schedule

wow09 · Post #952 » by **wow09** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:44 pm

Back to back to back games? What the hell

aminiaturebuddha · Post #953 » by **aminiaturebuddha** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:16 pm

wow09 wrote:Back to back to back games? What the hell

Haha, it's even worse than that. If they make it to the gold medal game it will be back to back to back to back to back, just like it was for the women.

International tournaments are often like that, with many consecutive days, which is why depth is actually fairly important. You simply can't play your best players all the minutes.

frumble · Post #954 » by **frumble** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:17 pm

Argentina beating DR by 8 in the 4th quarter.

I believe they need to win by 8 or more to finish second in pool and make semifinals (assuming Canada beats Mexico). If margin is fewer than 8, DR goes through.

In the other pool, I believe US and Brazil are automatically through. They play tonight to decide first. Assuming Canada beats Mexico and US beats Brazil, semis will be Canada-Brazil and US-Argentina/DR.

duppyy · Post #955 » by **duppyy** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:24 pm

Does Canada need to win today or are they pretty much guaranteed a spot? Would be nice to rest some players.

frumble · Post #956 » by **frumble** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:34 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:To answer your original question, if we were talking just talent, Sacre would probably be the one cut. But as he may be the only true 5, I would expect they'd keep him (at least for defensive purposes at times when Olynyk and Nicholson just can't get the job done). I don't think I'd "assume" he won't play. I'm not sure he would have made the trip over to Europe last summer to play in a few of those exhibition games if he didn't have an interest in being part of the program. Plus, Nash has still been hanging around the Lakers lately, so you'd think he's probably been in his ear a little bit about it.

I'm starting to think Thompson may not get things sorted out with his contract in time for him to play. If that's the case and he's the only one, the big man rotation of Olynyk,Nicholson, Bennett, Powell and Sacre will still be quite good, maybe tied with Brazil as the best in the FIBA Americas tournament. If Thompson does play, I would guess Bennett or Powell would be cut.

I hope you're right re Sacre. Would be nice option to have, and that would be a very good rotation.

Going forward we have great depth up front. I believe we have 9 NBA or near-NBA PF/Cs age 26 or under, with Wiltjer as a decent possibility to be the 10th. All 10 have played for Canada (though its been a while for Birch) (interesting that Bennett is second youngest of the group).

Sacre 26
Nicholson 25
Olynyk 24
Thompson 24
Powell 24
Bhullar 23
Birch 22
Wiltjer 22
Bennett 22
Lyles 20

Post #957 » by **Patman** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:57 pm

Dr Comeback wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:
Dr Comeback wrote:\

I'm sorry Lyles over Bennett? Trey a completely unknown commodity, has little FIBA experience and is 19 years old. not sure how you justify that.

He's better.

With a greater track record in intl play.

I mean Trey Lyles put up stats in volume, struggled to stay above 40% from 2 during his Team Canada runs, meanwhile Benett (a late bloomer) was 14 an dn 7 on almost 60% from 2 and 40% from 3.

Also Bennett was SIGNIFICANTLY better at UNLV than Trey Lyles was at Kentucky never mind the fact that AB is 2 years older.

You may think Trey is a better prospect, but to say that he's better right this very second is not only foolish but ignorant of how much age impacts expected performance.

Luckily for us you aren't running team Canada and I don't think hes even available.

THIS.

Some of these guys think the way to pick a FIBA team is to simply select the 12 guys with the best NBA potential.

orbesnet · Post #958 » by **orbesnet** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:29 pm

Good looking squad without most of our nba talent.

Really happy to see bennett looking in shape and player well, tourny could get him going a bit.

Chriscross · Post #959 » by **Chriscross** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:01 pm

Does anyone know if there will be any roadblocks to Jamal Murray participating at the Olympic Qualifiers or is he good to go as long as he makes the team?

frumble · Post #960 » by **frumble** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:28 pm

duppyy wrote:Does Canada need to win today or are they pretty much guaranteed a spot? Would be nice to rest some players.

They are in semis no matter what, as Arg and DR both finished 1-2. If they lose to Mexico both would be 2-1. I assume the tiebreaker is point differential, in which case Canada is fine as long as they don't lose by more than 22. That being said, I still expect them to play to win.

Chriscross wrote:Does anyone know if there will be any roadblocks to Jamal Murray participating at the Olympic Qualifiers or is he good to go as long as he makes the team?

There is a major one - school. Classes at Kentucky start in late August. If he were to attend training camp and the tournament (which runs through Sept 12), he would miss about 3 weeks of classes. I don't think that is feasible.