Sale Confirmed: The Michael Jordan Thread

[jeroka]

I think Jordan is one heck of a player... really watched a lot of him growing up... I'd say, it was unfortunate that he peaked when the league was devoid of top notch wings, the next best during his time was Scottie and they were teammates... it would have been nicer to see Jordan have to battle wings who are on his level of brilliance... like Kobe vs VC vs TMac vs AI vs Allen, or Kobe vs Lebron vs Melo vs Durant vs Wade, or Lebron vs Melo vs Durant... etc

[Liver_Pooty]

I think Jordan is one heck of a player... really watched a lot of him growing up... I'd say, it was unfortunate that he peaked when the league was devoid of top notch wings, the next best during his time was Scottie and they were teammates... it would have been nicer to see Jordan have to battle wings who are on his level of brilliance... like Kobe vs VC vs TMac vs AI vs Allen, or Kobe vs Lebron vs Melo vs Durant vs Wade, or Lebron vs Melo vs Durant... etc

You ever watched any mid to late 80s/ 90s basketball? A majority of the players you mentioned would struggle with the way the rules were in regards to hand checking and such back then.

[mrknowitall215]

it would have been nicer to see Jordan have to battle wings who are on his level of brilliance... like Kobe vs VC vs TMac vs AI vs Allen, or Kobe vs Lebron vs Melo vs Durant vs Wade, or Lebron vs Melo vs Durant... etc

All of those aforementioned players modeled their game & niche of domination to emulate what Jordan did as a wing player in the NBA though

[jeroka]

I think Jordan is one heck of a player... really watched a lot of him growing up... I'd say, it was unfortunate that he peaked when the league was devoid of top notch wings, the next best during his time was Scottie and they were teammates... it would have been nicer to see Jordan have to battle wings who are on his level of brilliance... like Kobe vs VC vs TMac vs AI vs Allen, or Kobe vs Lebron vs Melo vs Durant vs Wade, or Lebron vs Melo vs Durant... etc

You ever watched any mid to late 80s/ 90s basketball? A majority of the players you mentioned would struggle with the way the rules were in regards to hand checking and such back then.

ummm... I watched tons... Kobe, Lebron, Durant, and even Melo would tear the league even with the hand-checking allowed... lol, hand checking is not a biggie, only a worthless player would struggle with it...

during that time, there was this something called the "illegal defense"... today, the zone pretty much neutralized one-on-one isolation plays and ushered in the pick and roll era in the NBA... by the way, no one could stop Kobe in his peak, and that was even with the zone in place, and players allowed to sag to defend the lane against penetration.

[jeroka]

it would have been nicer to see Jordan have to battle wings who are on his level of brilliance... like Kobe vs VC vs TMac vs AI vs Allen, or Kobe vs Lebron vs Melo vs Durant vs Wade, or Lebron vs Melo vs Durant... etc

All of those aforementioned players modeled their game & niche of domination to emulate what Jordan did as a wing player in the NBA though

and Dr. J before him... but I agree, MJ set the mold for them

[Liver_Pooty]

I think Jordan is one heck of a player... really watched a lot of him growing up... I'd say, it was unfortunate that he peaked when the league was devoid of top notch wings, the next best during his time was Scottie and they were teammates... it would have been nicer to see Jordan have to battle wings who are on his level of brilliance... like Kobe vs VC vs TMac vs AI vs Allen, or Kobe vs Lebron vs Melo vs Durant vs Wade, or Lebron vs Melo vs Durant... etc

You ever watched any mid to late 80s/ 90s basketball? A majority of the players you mentioned would struggle with the way the rules were in regards to hand checking and such back then.

ummm... I watched tons... Kobe, Lebron, Durant, and even Melo would tear the league even with the hand-checking allowed... lol, hand checking is not a biggie, only a worthless player would struggle with it...

during that time, there was this something called the "illegal defense"... today, the zone pretty much neutralized one-on-one isolation plays and ushered in the pick and roll era in the NBA... by the way, no one could stop Kobe in his peak, and that was even with the zone in place, and players allowed to sag to defend the lane against penetration.

Meh.. You make valid points about the zone neutralizing iso plays and such, but this is headed towards another 90s vs current day players debate which I just don't have the energy to get into

[jeroka]

You ever watched any mid to late 80s/ 90s basketball? A majority of the players you mentioned would struggle with the way the rules were in regards to hand checking and such back then.

ummm... I watched tons... Kobe, Lebron, Durant, and even Melo would tear the league even with the hand-checking allowed... lol, hand checking is not a biggie, only a worthless player would struggle with it...

during that time, there was this something called the "illegal defense"... today, the zone pretty much neutralized one-on-one isolation plays and ushered in the pick and roll era in the NBA... by the way, no one could stop Kobe in his peak, and that was even with the zone in place, and players allowed to sag to defend the lane against penetration.

Meh.. You make valid points about the zone neutralizing iso plays and such, but this is headed towards another 90s vs current day players debate which I just don't have the energy to get into

well, you were the one who brought up 90s and 80s basketball, and how today's players would struggle back then...

[Liver_Pooty]

ummm... I watched tons... Kobe, Lebron, Durant, and even Melo would tear the league even with the hand-checking allowed... lol, hand checking is not a biggie, only a worthless player would struggle with it...

during that time, there was this something called the "illegal defense"... today, the zone pretty much neutralized one-on-one isolation plays and ushered in the pick and roll era in the NBA... by the way, no one could stop Kobe in his peak, and that was even with the zone in place, and players allowed to sag to defend the lane against penetration.

Meh.. You make valid points about the zone neutralizing iso plays and such, but this is headed towards another 90s vs curređnt day players debate which I just don't have the energy to get into

well, you were the one who brought up 90s and 80s basketball, and how today's players would struggle back then...

Struggle is harsh, but Doc Rivers made a career out of hand checking and using his forearm. He retired almost immediately after the rule change. Would the players you mentioned struggle? Nah, but it'd make life a lot more difficult.

[EwingSweatsALot]

Buzzer beater to beat Jimmy Butler in a shooting contest.

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[JDR720]

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[yosemiteben]

Apparently Michigan football is switching to Jumpman instead of regular swoosh Nike. Weird.

[yosemiteben]

Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell 41m41 minutes ago
NBA says MJ can't choose who gets a Jordan shoe deal because of cap rules. (At least 6 Hornets have gotten Jordan deals in last 7 years.)

He what now? That must be a pretty damn specific cap rule.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Any type of compensation from an owner could be considered cap circumvention. This has always been the case though...a separate board has always chosen the athletes, but obviously Jordan has indirect influence.

This comes out hours after the Clips were fined for circumventing the cap. Seems like the other owners are less concerned about Hornets getting deals and more concerned about MJ using his brand to lure their FAs.

[JDR720]

he cant hand pick them, but he can probably still make suggestions. and most of his suggestions will probably be done.

[HornetJail]

Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell 41m41 minutes ago
NBA says MJ can't choose who gets a Jordan shoe deal because of cap rules. (At least 6 Hornets have gotten Jordan deals in last 7 years.)

He what now? That must be a pretty damn specific cap rule.

For example, MKG is already a Jordan brand athlete. It would be circumvention of the cap to offer MKG $13M a year for his NBA contract and extra money for a shoe deal, since he'd make more money but still have less of a cap hit. It would be like handing money under the table.

[Liver_Pooty]

Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell 41m41 minutes ago
NBA says MJ can't choose who gets a Jordan shoe deal because of cap rules. (At least 6 Hornets have gotten Jordan deals in last 7 years.)

He what now? That must be a pretty damn specific cap rule.

For example, MKG is already a Jordan brand athlete. It would be circumvention of the cap to offer MKG $13M a year for his NBA contract and extra money for a shoe deal, since he'd make more money but still have less of a cap hit. It would be like handing money under the table.

That's pretty smart.

[yosemiteben]

Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell 41m41 minutes ago
NBA says MJ can't choose who gets a Jordan shoe deal because of cap rules. (At least 6 Hornets have gotten Jordan deals in last 7 years.)

He what now? That must be a pretty damn specific cap rule.

For example, MKG is already a Jordan brand athlete. It would be circumvention of the cap to offer MKG $13M a year for his NBA contract and extra money for a shoe deal, since he'd make more money but still have less of a cap hit. It would be like handing money under the table.

I would assume MJ isn't making that call anyway though? And how is that enforceable? I'm sure Curtis Polk is fully capable of making sure deals get done without MJ having to point out that he wants guys on his team to get deals.

[HornetJail]

Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell 41m41 minutes ago
NBA says MJ can't choose who gets a Jordan shoe deal because of cap rules. (At least 6 Hornets have gotten Jordan deals in last 7 years.)

He what now? That must be a pretty damn specific cap rule.

For example, MKG is already a Jordan brand athlete. It would be circumvention of the cap to offer MKG $13M a year for his NBA contract and extra money for a shoe deal, since he'd make more money but still have less of a cap hit. It would be like handing money under the table.

I would assume MJ isn't making that call anyway though? And how is that enforceable? I'm sure Curtis Polk is fully capable of making sure deals get done without MJ having to point out that he wants guys on his team to get deals.

This is the elephant in the room. It's only enforceable when it comes out that it's happening and someone brings down the hammer on him. Westbrook is a Jordan brand athlete. What if he signed here in 2017 and his Jordan deal magically moves up by a seemingly insignificant amount, like a few hundred thousand bucks a year to make up the difference between signing a max deal with OKC and signing a max deal with us? We'd never know unless someone leaked that information.

[EwingSweatsALot]

It seems like it would be a lot of speculation and circumstantial evidence unless our front office were complete morons and had it in writing somewhere. I don't see how this could be pinned on a franchise unless people are just absolute idiots.

[therebirth]

Jordan brand signing theses players to a contract is no different than telling players they will make more money if they go to New York or LA. It is the company's decision not Jordan.