Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

Where to begin...

A) Good defender
B) Not our best player
C) Jordan isn't the GM

I didn't even bother. These Lin fan boys may end up making me do a 180 and become the biggest Walker fan on this board when it's all said and done.

lol... that will make you the first Walker fanboy outside his family.

Lol.. There are a multitude of Walker diehards on here. I thoroughly look forward to Lin and Walker fans clashing. Ill have my popcorn ready.

[BlackOutBuzz]

it really doesn't matter how Kemba's health is... even when healhty, he still shoots below 40% from the field, he is a poor defender and an average assist guy. the Hornets will never amount to something until they move past Kemba being their best player... luckily, Jordan got Kaminsky to fall on his lap, that was luck, as if the universe was desperately try to help MJ the GM, at last.

Where to begin...

A) Good defender
B) Not our best player
C) Jordan isn't the GM

A) I understand the lowered standards about what a good defender is...
B) good news, he's not. whew...
C) makes sense with the better basketball decisions happening to the team...

A) I'm not calling him lockdown, but he's good in P&R and transition. One would have to actually watch a game to know that though.
B) Then why claim that he was?
C) MJ was never the GM of this team, anyone with a modicum of team knowledge would know that. Sure, he's had input just as any owner has, but he'd handed the reigns over to Cho. Hell, he almost fired Cho because Cho wanted to draft Zeller.

[jeroka]

I didn't even bother. These Lin fan boys may end up making me do a 180 and become the biggest Walker fan on this board when it's all said and done.

lol... that will make you the first Walker fanboy outside his family.

Lol.. There are a multitude of Walker diehards on here. I thoroughly look forward to Lin and Walker fans clashing. Ill have my popcorn ready.

didn't know that... if I watch Walker on a regular basis, I'd be doing this a lot... I mean, how much sub-40% chucking can someone endure???

[BlackOutBuzz]

it really doesn't matter how Kemba's health is... even when healhty, he still shoots below 40% from the field, he is a poor defender and an average assist guy. the Hornets will never amount to something until they move past Kemba being their best player... luckily, Jordan got Kaminsky to fall on his lap, that was luck, as if the universe was desperately try to help MJ the GM, at last.

Where to begin...

A) Good defender
B) Not our best player
C) Jordan isn't the GM

I didn't even bother. These Lin fan boys may end up making me do a 180 and become the biggest Walker fan on this board when it's all said and done.

If nothing else RealGM has exposed me to the player-fan. I have players that I like, but I basically swear by my teams. It's not wrong or anything, just different.

[jeroka]

Where to begin...

A) Good defender
B) Not our best player
C) Jordan isn't the GM

A) I understand the lowered standards about what a good defender is...
B) good news, he's not. whew...
C) makes sense with the better basketball decisions happening to the team...

A) I'm not calling him lockdown, but he's good in P&R and transition. One would have to actually watch a game to know that though.
B) Then why claim that he was?
C) MJ was never the GM of this team, anyone with a modicum of team knowledge would know that. Sure, he's had input just as any owner has, but he'd handed the reigns over to Cho. Hell, he almost fired Cho because Cho wanted to draft Zeller.

A) hence the lowered standards
B) I was wrong. he's not, move on...
C) if it makes you happier... I'd issue an erratum, and consider this the edited/correct version:
luckily, Jordan got Kaminsky to fall on his lap, that was luck, as if the universe was desperately try to help MJ and Cho, at last.
geezzzz....

[jeroka]

Where to begin...

A) Good defender
B) Not our best player
C) Jordan isn't the GM

I didn't even bother. These Lin fan boys may end up making me do a 180 and become the biggest Walker fan on this board when it's all said and done.

If nothing else RealGM has exposed me to the player-fan. I have players that I like, but I basically swear by my teams. It's not wrong or anything, just different.

swear by your teams? lol

[Liver_Pooty]

Where to begin...

A) Good defender
B) Not our best player
C) Jordan isn't the GM

I didn't even bother. These Lin fan boys may end up making me do a 180 and become the biggest Walker fan on this board when it's all said and done.

If nothing else RealGM has exposed me to the player-fan. I have players that I like, but I basically swear by my teams. It's not wrong or anything, just different.

I've never understood following a player from team to team then becoming a fan of that team. I was a huge Redick fan when he was at Duke. Orlando drafted him, and I stopped caring. The way things should be in my opinion.

[BlackOutBuzz]

A) I understand the lowered standards about what a good defender is...
B) good news, he's not. whew...
C) makes sense with the better basketball decisions happening to the team...

A) I'm not calling him lockdown, but he's good in P&R and transition. One would have to actually watch a game to know that though.
B) Then why claim that he was?
C) MJ was never the GM of this team, anyone with a modicum of team knowledge would know that. Sure, he's had input just as any owner has, but he'd handed the reigns over to Cho. Hell, he almost fired Cho because Cho wanted to draft Zeller.

A) hence the lowered standards
B) I was wrong. he's not, move on...
C) if it makes you happier... I'd issue an erratum, and consider this the edited/correct version:
luckily, Jordan got Kaminsky to fall on his lap, that was luck, as if the universe was desperately try to help MJ and Cho, at last.
geezzzz....

I guess I don't get the lowered standard thing. Is Lin some great defender? How have I missed this? Most aren't expecting lockdown defense from their point guard.

By the way how am I the one defending Kemba? Ichiro? KIA?

And hopefully you're right about Kaminsky, most seem to think it was a reach.

I didn't even bother. These Lin fan boys may end up making me do a 180 and become the biggest Walker fan on this board when it's all said and done.

If nothing else RealGM has exposed me to the player-fan. I have players that I like, but I basically swear by my teams. It's not wrong or anything, just different.

swear by your teams? lol

...yeah? Thick and thin and all those other cliches. Loved the Horncats through the 7-win season and still do. I don't jump ship every time a player I like moves on.

[mrknowitall215]

By the way how am I the one defending Kemba? Ichiro? KIA?

I have nothing to say in the Kemba vs Lin debates but that I firmly believe that Kemba is the better player between the two on both ends of the floor and that I'm happy that we finally have a decent backup behind him that I approve of in Lin. Everything else, I'll just wait until the actual games begin. They both are above average. Depth has been a rarity over the years I've watched the Hornets so this is much appreciated

Also worth noting that I liked Mo Williams' temporary stay until Clifford overused the small backcourt duo out of contrary necessity due to the lack of shooting from the wing position. Hopefully we don't have to use Kemba & LIn in the backcourt together too often unless to my unbeknoweth prediction they make a great pairing complementing each other

[renmei]

I've never understood following a player from team to team then becoming a fan of that team. I was a huge Redick fan when he was at Duke. Orlando drafted him, and I stopped caring. The way things should be in my opinion.

hmm.. I can answer this but the tl;dr version in my case is that it is racial. Asians aren't really known for being super athletic, never mind nba players. Seeing one who isn't a 7' 6" freak of nature like Yao blows my mind and who seems to be a very decent human being makes me root for the guy. I do have my main team as a native Houstonian, full disclosure. I'm not sure how to explain how seeing the only person who looks like you in the league playing a sport you love..

As for the one or two Lin fans who seem to trying to get into arguments with the Hornets fans on this board.. why are you doing this and what's the point? I'm not sure why ya'll want Lin to start in the first place, from what I can see Al would kill Lin's game so I'm perfectly happy with Lin playing with the second unit as long as he gets enough playtime to show what he is really capable of. Arguing over who is the better pg is a waste of my time, the precious second it took to skim past your walls of text. We'll see who the better player is come regular season, but for now and the foreseeable future Walker is starting. End of story

[MeowsALot]

I'd imagine Lin would be pretty disappointed with just 25 mpg this year since he averaged 25.8 with the Lakers in a tanking situation.

If Cho, Clifford, and Lin talked, and they all came away happy and on the same page, it's hard for me to believe that Lin came away happy thinking 25 mpg. Assuming a 10-man rotation for argument's sake, we know that Kemba if healthy is a lock for about 34 mpg. MKG should get around 30 (he's never averaged more than 28.9)

PG: Walker (34), Lin (14)
SG: Batum (24), Lin (16), Lamb (8)
SF: MKG (30), Batum (12), Lamb (6)
PF: Zeller (24), Williams (24)
C: Jefferson (30), Hansbrough (9), Hawes (9)

Hmmm...I'm not sure how this will all work out.

I agree. he came to play. i doubt he would take a discount to not play. so im thinking he averages over 26 min , near 28 and high end 30.

[MeowsALot]

I've never understood following a player from team to team then becoming a fan of that team. I was a huge Redick fan when he was at Duke. Orlando drafted him, and I stopped caring. The way things should be in my opinion.

hmm.. I can answer this but the tl;dr version in my case is that it is racial. Asians aren't really known for being super athletic, never mind nba players. Seeing one who isn't a 7' 6" freak of nature like Yao blows my mind and who seems to be a very decent human being makes me root for the guy. I do have my main team as a native Houstonian, full disclosure. I'm not sure how to explain how seeing the only person who looks like you in the league playing a sport you love..

As for the one or two Lin fans who seem to trying to get into arguments with the Hornets fans on this board.. why are you doing this and what's the point? I'm not sure why ya'll want Lin to start in the first place, from what I can see Al would kill Lin's game so I'm perfectly happy with Lin playing with the second unit as long as he gets enough playtime to show what he is really capable of. Arguing over who is the better pg is a waste of my time, the precious second it took to skim past your walls of text. We'll see who the better player is come regular season, but for now and the foreseeable future Walker is starting. End of story

Good post - also nice post on the papa Lin thing.

[Lorenzomax7]

Let me make it clear: I would never ever be a Hornets fan, but I wish y'all well. And... I love MJ23.

[ChokeFasncists]

http://baselinebuzz.com/2015/jeremy-lin-vs-kemba-walker-by-the-numbers/

Interesting analysis on the numbers/stats for both Walker and Lin. Can't wait for the season to start!

Real nice one. Complimentary?

~lol~ at "frightening TO ratios". Lin needs to learn to better protect the ball.

Very surprising that Walker used the picks at 48% while Lin at 40%. Interesting how it plays out next season.

Lin also did not get very many PNR opportunities I believe. A lot of the times Lin would dump the ball off.

Yes, that's true, Princeton offense.

Lin averaged 13 and 6 during his first year with the Rockets, which was a good system for him.

He also averaged 32 MPG that year, which seems highly unlikely if Kemba is healthy. The last three years he's put up between 14.9 - 15.7 ppg and 5.2 - 6.8 apg on a per 36 basis. I'd expect numbers similar to that here in Charlotte, with his actual production being proportionately reduced by the amount of minutes he actually plays. Honestly I don't expect him to play more than 25 MPG barring injury to Kemba or maybe one of our starting wings.

Lin is quite a bit bigger than Mo; Lamb hasn't shown he deserves big minutes; Batum is more of a SF.

If he plays well, I think Lin should be playing quite a bit.

If nothing else RealGM has exposed me to the player-fan. I have players that I like, but I basically swear by my teams. It's not wrong or anything, just different.

I've never understood following a player from team to team then becoming a fan of that team. I was a huge Redick fan when he was at Duke. Orlando drafted him, and I stopped caring. The way things should be in my opinion.

That's totally understandable and normal. I have followed a team for more than a two decades and I still follow it. But Lin is a very special case. He was basically the only really positive Asian American male in mainstream media during Linsanity. It was truly a shocking historical moment. I hope you'all can understand.

[BigSlam]

Lin would be a good player off the bench, but he'd also be a decent starter...

He's not going to start unless Walker gets injured.

it really doesn't matter how Kemba's health is... even when healhty, he still shoots below 40% from the field, he is a poor defender and an average assist guy. the Hornets will never amount to something until they move past Kemba being their best player... luckily, Jordan got Kaminsky to fall on his lap, that was luck, as if the universe was desperately try to help MJ the GM, at last.

Jesus, do you even follow our team? Ever even watched a game??

Kemba is an excellent, hard working defender. Sure, he's not blessed with supreme size but he fights his arse off through screens and will pressure the ball handler with great focus. His transition D, especially one on one when he is on his heels moving backwards, might be some of the best in the league. His ability to either strip the ball or take the charge is amazing.

Don't know if there are basic stats or advance stats or analytics to support that, but I also couldn't give a toss. My feel-o-meter tells me that Kemba is farrrrrrrrrrrrrr from being a poor defender.

I like Lin a lot but this nut hugging is going to taint my opinion of him just as much as the Kemba apologists do Kemba.

Just let them play for goodness sake before you start anointing one or the other.

[Roy Tarpley]

Just let them play for goodness sake before you start anointing one or the other.

Yes. I think Hornets fans, and this site in particular, have been pretty open-minded and welcoming of Lin and his fans -- and we appreciate that. I don't think it's helpful to start bashing a current Hornets player before the season has even started.

I think most Lin fans are reasonable so please don't let the rabid ones taint the lot.

I'm a Lakers fan but follow Lin because I like supporting underdogs and I'm also a fan of Moneyball (using statistics to find arbitrage against the eye-test). The Hornets signing Lin for peanuts is a good example.

[razsan]

Hey guys, new poster and soon to be new Hornets fan. I'm an admitted Lin fan so let's get that out of the way. I think he'll do fine off the bench...with some great games, a bunch of solid all around effort games...and a few head scratchers.
Look forward to a good year for the Hornets and hopefully the East will be accommodating as far as the playoffs are concerned.

[Braggins]

This board is going to get crazy if our offense is largely the same as the last two seasons and Lin sees a similar drop in efficiency/production that other guards coming into this system have. I imagine it will be chaos but then at least there will be an entire army of Lin fans posting on here who hate Clifford as much as I do, so at least that will be nice.

For real though, the few of you who seem so interested in bashing Kemba should at least wait until you see how our team plays and how Lin fits into that before bashing Kemba. I don't think you guys understand how atrocious our offensive system here has been and might continue to be. Lin might end up in the same boat shooting sub 40% and being ridiculed for inefficiency if he can't stay efficient playing mostly iso/hero ball with no offensive action to get him or anyone else open.

[MeowsALot]

He's not going to start unless Walker gets injured.

it really doesn't matter how Kemba's health is... even when healhty, he still shoots below 40% from the field, he is a poor defender and an average assist guy. the Hornets will never amount to something until they move past Kemba being their best player... luckily, Jordan got Kaminsky to fall on his lap, that was luck, as if the universe was desperately try to help MJ the GM, at last.

Jesus, do you even follow our team? Ever even watched a game??

Kemba is an excellent, hard working defender. Sure, he's not blessed with supreme size but he fights his arse off through screens and will pressure the ball handler with great focus. His transition D, especially one on one when he is on his heels moving backwards, might be some of the best in the league. His ability to either strip the ball or take the charge is amazing.

Don't know if there are basic stats or advance stats or analytics to support that, but I also couldn't give a toss. My feel-o-meter tells me that Kemba is farrrrrrrrrrrrrr from being a poor defender.

I like Lin a lot but this nut hugging is going to taint my opinion of him just as much as the Kemba apologists do Kemba.

Just let them play for goodness sake before you start anointing one or the other.

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out of curiosity, do you have the power to ban ppl? lol

[qiantom]

Mods, just ban those posters. They may be trolls. They may not be Lin fans at all. They may be crazy. Nobody cares a bit if they get banned.