The Official Should We Have Signed Thad Thread

[MrDollarBills]

Huh? The topic was that Hello Brooklyn wants the Nets to tank in 2019, it had nothing to do with Thad.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Superstar foundation? How often is that? Philly has been chasing that dream and it's not there. I'd rather build a 'team' with an identity than hunt for a star studded roster. We can't tank until 2019 and there is absolutely no way that happens unless we're competitive from now til then. We should be concerned with building on what we have now. The goal should be adding Batum and other pieces that fit next summer.

Its not very often, and not very many teams win championships.

I would WAY rather be Philly than Brooklyn. Lets see where theyre at in 5 years. At least they have a chance to be great. What do we have a chance at? Building another 2nd round playoff team?

Tired of the same old stuff. I want the Nets to win a title. We can build what we have now, but come 2019 its time to blow it all up.

The Sixers have a seven year rebuild plan. Unless, they luck out and draft a generional superstar. They will be in the lottery in four to five years. Embiid is looking like Oden 2.0 and Okafor is projected to be Al Jefferson at best. This is Year 3 and they are far from being close to where Orlando, Milwaukee, Minnesota and Utah are currently.

The Nets best shot at a championship is simply by building a team like Atlanta or Memphis. None of those franchises strictly built through the draft. They acquired a good piece after good piece and created a culture for them to thrive. We have a cornerstone center and a cornerstone SF (knock on wood). We start there and expand to the other positions. THAT is building a foundation.

Why does that matter?

I don't understand what makes us better then them? Just because we won 38 games and lost in the first round? You really think thats an accomplishment?

Sixers have a good, young nucleus that can potentially make them a contender in a few years. I really don't think you can say Okafar is Al Jefferson yet.

The fact that youre giving Atlanta and Memphis as examples is a joke. First of all, Atlanta's best player is Al Horford, who they drafted. Memphis essentially got Gasol by tanking because they traded Pau for him and got lucky.

But either way neither of those teams have any shot of winning a championship anytime soon. They are not the examples I want to emulate. And the reason is because they have no true superstar.

If you wanna see teams that built through the draft look at GSW, OKC, SA, LAC.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Tanking before didn't help us get John Wall or Anthony Davis...so...no.

Ok. And whats the alternative?

At least with tanking we had a chance to get John Wall or Anthony Davis. And FYI we should have gotten Lillard. But we traded him for the corpse of Gerald Wallace.

We were never drafting Lilliard, but tanking produces a toxic environment. No one seems to remember how horrible it was during that 12-70 season. Tanking is not a plan, its a goddamn prayer.

You build a team, while maintaining wiggle room and flexibility. When we get our picks back tanking shouldn't be the plan to utilize those picks.

The Sixers have been tanking for years now. They may have FINALLY hit paydirt with Okafor. Meanwhile, they are destroying their fanbase, and the environment is so toxic there agents are telling their players to stay away.

I cannot fathom the mindset of wanting to sit through losing seasons. Once you start tanking, its a long ways back. We need to build and develop a talent base. Tanking does NOT develop talent.

Ok you can say tanking produces a toxic environment. And thats a fair point. But I don't think we should necessarily tank. Just trade away all our good players in order to rebuild. And then focus on developing young players first rather than taking on mediocre free agents.

When we get our picks back the plan shouldn't be to ride the wave with Lopez, Thad, and some other **** FA that we get in 2016. Because thats not going to be a championship level team. And we would lack the assets to create one.

[CalamityX12]

Sixers have a good, young nucleus that can potentially make them a contender in a few years

That has yet to be proven. There's no LBJ, Durant, Westbrook, Lillard, Wall, Beal, AD, Curry etc... on that team.

Okafor - perhaps their most valued, hasn't played a NBA second.
Noel - just starting to play but nothing to scream for that should consider Philly a team to compete with yet.
Embiid - who? He may never play
Saric - whenever he decides to jump the seas, seems more like an asset than a player for them

where is there to be excited? There most "valued" players/assets are PF/C.... no G, no SG, no SF....

at the moment I can't see how they can be contenders with the current structure... picks galore sure, but where are the results..

[Prokorov]

Sixers have a good, young nucleus that can potentially make them a contender in a few years

That has yet to be proven. There's no LBJ, Durant, Westbrook, Lillard, Wall, Beal, AD, Curry etc... on that team.

Okafor - perhaps their most valued, hasn't played a NBA second.
Noel - just starting to play but nothing to scream for that should consider Philly a team to compete with yet.
Embiid - who? He may never play
Saric - whenever he decides to jump the seas, seems more like an asset than a player for them

where is there to be excited? There most "valued" players/assets are PF/C.... no G, no SG, no SF....

at the moment I can't see how they can be contenders with the current structure... picks galore sure, but where are the results..

they need one of their prospects to become an allstar and trade the others in a godfather type pacage for the next superstar who wants out. they arent going to become any good by recycling 20 year olds

[CalamityX12]

Sixers have a good, young nucleus that can potentially make them a contender in a few years

That has yet to be proven. There's no LBJ, Durant, Westbrook, Lillard, Wall, Beal, AD, Curry etc... on that team.

Okafor - perhaps their most valued, hasn't played a NBA second.
Noel - just starting to play but nothing to scream for that should consider Philly a team to compete with yet.
Embiid - who? He may never play
Saric - whenever he decides to jump the seas, seems more like an asset than a player for them

where is there to be excited? There most "valued" players/assets are PF/C.... no G, no SG, no SF....

at the moment I can't see how they can be contenders with the current structure... picks galore sure, but where are the results..

they need one of their prospects to become an allstar and trade the others in a godfather type pacage for the next superstar who wants out. they arent going to become any good by recycling 20 year olds

yes sir.

None of their prospects are all stars or rising dominators/draw attractions... Okafor is their best one but we need to see first.

2nd, comes the moves, moving a Noel or Saric cuz no one is going to buy high for Embiid lol

[Prokorov]

That has yet to be proven. There's no LBJ, Durant, Westbrook, Lillard, Wall, Beal, AD, Curry etc... on that team.

Okafor - perhaps their most valued, hasn't played a NBA second.
Noel - just starting to play but nothing to scream for that should consider Philly a team to compete with yet.
Embiid - who? He may never play
Saric - whenever he decides to jump the seas, seems more like an asset than a player for them

where is there to be excited? There most "valued" players/assets are PF/C.... no G, no SG, no SF....

at the moment I can't see how they can be contenders with the current structure... picks galore sure, but where are the results..

they need one of their prospects to become an allstar and trade the others in a godfather type pacage for the next superstar who wants out. they arent going to become any good by recycling 20 year olds

yes sir.

None of their prospects are all stars or rising dominators/draw attractions... Okafor is their best one but we need to see first.

2nd, comes the moves, moving a Noel or Saric cuz no one is going to buy high for Embiid lol

i think okefor and embiid both have superstar potential. impossible to tell what either becomes. they could be the next robinson/duncan or the next eddy curry/tyson chandler or the next monroe/drummond or the nets darko/whoever. who knows they could get another after this season as well. but they wont win just stockpiling 20 year olds. they are going to need to package themf or a legit star

[Hello Brooklyn]

Sixers have a good, young nucleus that can potentially make them a contender in a few years

That has yet to be proven. There's no LBJ, Durant, Westbrook, Lillard, Wall, Beal, AD, Curry etc... on that team.

Okafor - perhaps their most valued, hasn't played a NBA second.
Noel - just starting to play but nothing to scream for that should consider Philly a team to compete with yet.
Embiid - who? He may never play
Saric - whenever he decides to jump the seas, seems more like an asset than a player for them

where is there to be excited? There most "valued" players/assets are PF/C.... no G, no SG, no SF....

at the moment I can't see how they can be contenders with the current structure... picks galore sure, but where are the results..

What do you mean that has yet to proven?

Of course its yet to be proven. That's the whole point. What if Noel and Okafar turn into all-stars?

They have other young players that can develop into good players and they have an insane amount of cap space to complement their main players. Maybe it won't work.

But if youre gonna ask me whos in a better situation, I'm gonna say Sixers every time.

[Paradise]

Why does that matter?

I don't understand what makes us better then them? Just because we won 38 games and lost in the first round? You really think thats an accomplishment?

Lol Who is comparing the Nets to the Sixers? You're admiring a franchise with an unorthodox rebuilding strategy that hasn't worked and has pissed off multiple ciricles in the NBA. They're under investigation for the Thomas Robinson situation.

Sixers have a good, young nucleus that can potentially make them a contender in a few years. I really don't think you can say Okafar is Al Jefferson yet.

What nucleus is that? The D-Leaguers they sign every season? Okafor and Noel are the only legitimate NBA players on the roster and Okafor did not go number one or two for a reason. He's considered one dimensional and he was not the Sixers first or second choice. Everyone has made the comparisons to Jefferson. Great post scorer that will struggle to defend and pass. The Sixers are so far from a championship in this decade unless they build through free agency along with picks but that is not the plan. The Wolves, Jazz, Magic, Kings and Lakers are far ahead in rebuilding than Philly right now.

The fact that youre giving Atlanta and Memphis as examples is a joke. First of all, Atlanta's best player is Al Horford, who they drafted. Memphis essentially got Gasol by tanking because they traded Pau for him and got lucky.

So what? We got Brook through the draft by luck and he is our best player. That doesn't mean crap unless a foundation is built with OTHER quality pieces. The Grizzlies would be nowhere without Zach Randolph, Tony Allen all acquired through trades.

Atlanta did not do crap with Al Horford even when Joe and Josh Smith were there. They acquired Kyle Korver, DeMare Carroll, Paul Millsap through trades and free agency.

But either way neither of those teams have any shot of winning a championship anytime soon. They are not the examples I want to emulate. And the reason is because they have no true superstar.

Emulating two franchises with strict identity and have been to the WCF and ECF in the last three years is not a good example? Imagine a NY franchise winning 60 games and making it to the ECF in one season. That alone is a great pitch to a true superstar.

If you wanna see teams that built through the draft look at GSW, OKC, SA, LAC.

The Clippers?

[MrDollarBills]

The Nets will have 40 mil in cap space in a year's time and a core of young players already in place on good deals. Outside of the pick situation, I could not say with a straight face that philly is in a better position.

Emulating what they are doing in philadelphia is pure madness. KJ McDaniels took a GAMBLE on his contract situation just to get the **** out of there faster than later.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Why does that matter?

I don't understand what makes us better then them? Just because we won 38 games and lost in the first round? You really think thats an accomplishment?

Lol Who is comparing the Nets to the Sixers? You're admiring a franchise with an unorthodox rebuilding strategy that hasn't worked and has pissed off multiple ciricles in the NBA. They're under investigation for the Thomas Robinson situation.

Sixers have a good, young nucleus that can potentially make them a contender in a few years. I really don't think you can say Okafar is Al Jefferson yet.

What nucleus is that? The D-Leaguers they sign every season? Okafor and Noel are the only legitimate NBA players on the roster and Okafor did not go number one or two for a reason. He's considered one dimensional and he was not the Sixers first or second choice. Everyone has made the comparisons to Jefferson. Great post scorer that will struggle to defend and pass. The Sixers are so far from a championship in this decade unless they build through free agency along with picks but that is not the plan. The Wolves, Jazz, Magic, Kings and Lakers are far ahead in rebuilding than Philly right now.

The fact that youre giving Atlanta and Memphis as examples is a joke. First of all, Atlanta's best player is Al Horford, who they drafted. Memphis essentially got Gasol by tanking because they traded Pau for him and got lucky.

So what? We got Brook through the draft by luck and he is our best player. That doesn't mean crap unless a foundation is built with OTHER quality pieces. The Grizzlies would be nowhere without Zach Randolph, Tony Allen all acquired through trades.

Atlanta did not do crap with Al Horford even when Joe and Josh Smith were there. They acquired Kyle Korver, DeMare Carroll, Paul Millsap through trades and free agency.

But either way neither of those teams have any shot of winning a championship anytime soon. They are not the examples I want to emulate. And the reason is because they have no true superstar.

Emulating two franchises with strict identity and have been to the WCF and ECF in the last three years is not a good example? Imagine a NY franchise winning 60 games and making it to the ECF in one season. That alone is a great pitch to a true superstar.

If you wanna see teams that built through the draft look at GSW, OKC, SA, LAC.

The Clippers?

I'm not admiring the Sixers. Youre the one who even brought them up as an example of a "failure."

Every year they have been drafting players and will continue to who could end up panning out. I don't get why youre making this entirely about the Sixers either. Theyre merely on example. But yes they are in a far superior position to us going forward.

Horford was much younger back then and was injured half the time. Even if you wanna credit Paul Milsap and Kyle Krover, the Hawks are not a contending team. And they showed that when they got decimated by the Cavaliers. Most people don't even think they would have beat the Wizards had John Wall not gotten injured. So no I don't want the Nets to end up like the Hawks either.

No its not. The Hawks were not a serious contender. And yes the Grizzlies made the WCF once, but they still did it by rebuilding. Not by keeping mediocre team together and trying to add more pieces. That doesn't work.

60 games and an ECF? If we were in that position, its very unlikely that we would have the cap space to sign a superstar anyway. Plus I don't see us being in that position without rebuilding in the first place.

[Paradise]

The Wolves in two seasons of tanking:
.
Jones, Lavine, Wiggins, Towns, Dieng, Muhammad, Bennett.

The Lakers in two seasons of tanking:

Clarkson, Randle, Nance, Russell.

The Bucks in two seasons:

MCW, Parker, Middleton, Vaughn, Giannis.


Star chasing through the draft is alot worse than free egency.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The Nets will have 40 mil in cap space in a year's time and a core of young players already in place on good deals. Outside of the pick situation, I could not say with a straight face that philly is in a better position.

Emulating what they are doing in philadelphia is pure madness. KJ McDaniels took a GAMBLE on his contract situation just to get the **** out of there faster than later.

Are you serious?

40 million in cap space for who?

This is the question I always wonder. Remember what happened the last time we had a lot of cap space? I'll remind you.



The fact of the matter is that big time free agents are not going to come to the Nets unless we already have a really good team. And we don't. And we won't anytime soon.

You guys keep bringing up Philadelphia as if I said they were the model. Paradise brought them up in the first place. All I'm advocating for is a full rebuild.

And you can look at GSW or OKC if you want examples of how that could work out.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The Wolves in two seasons of tanking:
.
Jones, Lavine, Wiggins, Towns, Dieng, Muhammad, Bennett.

The Lakers in two seasons of tanking:

Clarkson, Randle, Nance, Russell.

The Bucks in two seasons:

MCW, Parker, Middleton, Vaughn, Giannis.


Star chasing through the draft is alot worse than free egency.

Wolves, Bucks, and Lakers look like theyre in great positions to me.

Can you name any NBA champions in the last 10 years who didn't draft a superstar? Cause I sure can't.

[Paradise]

Why does that matter?

I don't understand what makes us better then them? Just because we won 38 games and lost in the first round? You really think thats an accomplishment?

Lol Who is comparing the Nets to the Sixers? You're admiring a franchise with an unorthodox rebuilding strategy that hasn't worked and has pissed off multiple ciricles in the NBA. They're under investigation for the Thomas Robinson situation.

Sixers have a good, young nucleus that can potentially make them a contender in a few years. I really don't think you can say Okafar is Al Jefferson yet.

What nucleus is that? The D-Leaguers they sign every season? Okafor and Noel are the only legitimate NBA players on the roster and Okafor did not go number one or two for a reason. He's considered one dimensional and he was not the Sixers first or second choice. Everyone has made the comparisons to Jefferson. Great post scorer that will struggle to defend and pass. The Sixers are so far from a championship in this decade unless they build through free agency along with picks but that is not the plan. The Wolves, Jazz, Magic, Kings and Lakers are far ahead in rebuilding than Philly right now.

The fact that youre giving Atlanta and Memphis as examples is a joke. First of all, Atlanta's best player is Al Horford, who they drafted. Memphis essentially got Gasol by tanking because they traded Pau for him and got lucky.

So what? We got Brook through the draft by luck and he is our best player. That doesn't mean crap unless a foundation is built with OTHER quality pieces. The Grizzlies would be nowhere without Zach Randolph, Tony Allen all acquired through trades.

Atlanta did not do crap with Al Horford even when Joe and Josh Smith were there. They acquired Kyle Korver, DeMare Carroll, Paul Millsap through trades and free agency.

But either way neither of those teams have any shot of winning a championship anytime soon. They are not the examples I want to emulate. And the reason is because they have no true superstar.

Emulating two franchises with strict identity and have been to the WCF and ECF in the last three years is not a good example? Imagine a NY franchise winning 60 games and making it to the ECF in one season. That alone is a great pitch to a true superstar.

If you wanna see teams that built through the draft look at GSW, OKC, SA, LAC.

The Clippers?

I'm not admiring the Sixers. Youre the one who even brought them up as an example of a "failure."

Every year they have been drafting players and will continue to who could end up panning out. I don't get why youre making this entirely about the Sixers either. Theyre merely on example. But yes they are in a far superior position to us going forward.

Horford was much younger back then and was injured half the time. Even if you wanna credit Paul Milsap and Kyle Krover, the Hawks are not a contending team. And they showed that when they got decimated by the Cavaliers. Most people don't even think they would have beat the Wizards had John Wall not gotten injured. So no I don't want the Nets to end up like the Hawks either.

No its not. The Hawks were not a serious contender. And yes the Grizzlies made the WCF once, but they still did it by rebuilding. Not by keeping mediocre team together and trying to add more pieces. That doesn't work.

60 games and an ECF? If we were in that position, its very unlikely that we would have the cap space to sign a superstar anyway. Plus I don't see us being in that position without rebuilding in the first place.

I'm not against the concept of rebuilding. I am against the idea we should whore ourselves out for some great white hope in 2019 to 2025 of endless tanking. I'd rather rebuild by amassing talent in various ways including via the draft and that's something have already started.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Well then I don't get what were arguing about. I never said we should tank. I just said we should rebuild through the draft primarily rather than free agency.

[jbeachboy]

the problem is alot of those teams have to rely on the draft more than us because their free agency destination is not as appealing as a major market like new york city or los angeles

[MrDollarBills]

The Nets will have 40 mil in cap space in a year's time and a core of young players already in place on good deals. Outside of the pick situation, I could not say with a straight face that philly is in a better position.

Emulating what they are doing in philadelphia is pure madness. KJ McDaniels took a GAMBLE on his contract situation just to get the **** out of there faster than later.

Are you serious?

40 million in cap space for who?

This is the question I always wonder. Remember what happened the last time we had a lot of cap space? I'll remind you.



The fact of the matter is that big time free agents are not going to come to the Nets unless we already have a really good team. And we don't. And we won't anytime soon.

You guys keep bringing up Philadelphia as if I said they were the model. Paradise brought them up in the first place. All I'm advocating for is a full rebuild.

And you can look at GSW or OKC if you want examples of how that could work out.

i LOVE how you just roll your eyes at the fact that we'll have cap space to make the team better incrementally but in the same breath talk about how people are going to go running to Philly get signed up under the 76ers ton of cap space after several losing seasons to play with their young stars who haven't done jack **** in the league.

Tanking for 4-5 years is not an ideal strategy for a major market team. Stop it. You have tunnel vision because you think that the success of OKC and GSW can be emulated easily...that requires not only great scouting, but PURE LUCK.

Philadelphia has tanked for how many years now and they aren't even close to having drafted a Durant, a Westbrook, or a Harden consecutively. Its laughable to even suggest this as a logical course of action.

[MrDollarBills]

Lol Who is comparing the Nets to the Sixers? You're admiring a franchise with an unorthodox rebuilding strategy that hasn't worked and has pissed off multiple ciricles in the NBA. They're under investigation for the Thomas Robinson situation.



What nucleus is that? The D-Leaguers they sign every season? Okafor and Noel are the only legitimate NBA players on the roster and Okafor did not go number one or two for a reason. He's considered one dimensional and he was not the Sixers first or second choice. Everyone has made the comparisons to Jefferson. Great post scorer that will struggle to defend and pass. The Sixers are so far from a championship in this decade unless they build through free agency along with picks but that is not the plan. The Wolves, Jazz, Magic, Kings and Lakers are far ahead in rebuilding than Philly right now.


So what? We got Brook through the draft by luck and he is our best player. That doesn't mean crap unless a foundation is built with OTHER quality pieces. The Grizzlies would be nowhere without Zach Randolph, Tony Allen all acquired through trades.

Atlanta did not do crap with Al Horford even when Joe and Josh Smith were there. They acquired Kyle Korver, DeMare Carroll, Paul Millsap through trades and free agency.


Emulating two franchises with strict identity and have been to the WCF and ECF in the last three years is not a good example? Imagine a NY franchise winning 60 games and making it to the ECF in one season. That alone is a great pitch to a true superstar.


The Clippers?

I'm not admiring the Sixers. Youre the one who even brought them up as an example of a "failure."

Every year they have been drafting players and will continue to who could end up panning out. I don't get why youre making this entirely about the Sixers either. Theyre merely on example. But yes they are in a far superior position to us going forward.

Horford was much younger back then and was injured half the time. Even if you wanna credit Paul Milsap and Kyle Krover, the Hawks are not a contending team. And they showed that when they got decimated by the Cavaliers. Most people don't even think they would have beat the Wizards had John Wall not gotten injured. So no I don't want the Nets to end up like the Hawks either.

No its not. The Hawks were not a serious contender. And yes the Grizzlies made the WCF once, but they still did it by rebuilding. Not by keeping mediocre team together and trying to add more pieces. That doesn't work.

60 games and an ECF? If we were in that position, its very unlikely that we would have the cap space to sign a superstar anyway. Plus I don't see us being in that position without rebuilding in the first place.

I'm not against the concept of rebuilding. I am against the idea we should whore ourselves out for some great white hope in 2019 to 2025 of endless tanking. I'd rather rebuild by amassing talent in various ways including via the draft and that's something have already started.

Yeah.

I'd rather amass talent while maintaining some wiggle room capwise, build a stable environment where guys would actually want to play and win games instead of tanking and being bad just to take blind shots in the dark. The draft should be used to supplement the talent base, not be the central building block

[Prokorov]

The Nets will have 40 mil in cap space in a year's time and a core of young players already in place on good deals. Outside of the pick situation, I could not say with a straight face that philly is in a better position.

Emulating what they are doing in philadelphia is pure madness. KJ McDaniels took a GAMBLE on his contract situation just to get the **** out of there faster than later.

you are kind of talking out of both sides of your mouths. you have been VERY vocal about it being a joke that any good free agent would want to come here next offseason, yet now you list cap space as a big asset. you say we have a "core of young players on good deals" philly can say the same only with much better prospects. "outside of the pick situation" is thrown in at the end, but its not something minor that can be brushed aside. we have few picks, they pick in the top of the lottery.

I dont think anyone is saying emulate what philly is doing. but where they stand now, i think they are arguably in better shape. or at least have a higher celing may be the better way to put it