Hindsight Greg Monroe trade to Milwaukee

[Piston Pete]

In hindsight......why didn't we trade Monroe to Milwaukee before the deadline last season?

Something centered around Monroe for Ersan + a pick would have been a great move by SVG. We'd net a pick (or other added incentive) and the Bucks clearly valued Monroe as a player, and he would have been great for them for their playoff run.

[MotownMadness]

Because he wouldn't have agreed to it. He wanted to look over all of his options in FA.

[DBC10]

He would've vetoed it basically since he wanted to play in the FA market.

I mean, sure, in hindsight getting literally anything for him would've been better than letting him go for free to our buds at Milwaukee.

[princeofpalace]

1) No incentive for Monroe to agree to trade
2) No incentive for another team to give up value for a guy who they could get for free

If Pistons wanted value for Monroe they shouldve offered him a max contract last offseason instead of lowballing him. He could've been traded for value this offseason or at last years trade deadline.

[Piston Pete]

Incentive for Monroe to agree to a trade: 1) go to a playoff team, 2) try-out for another team/organization

Incentive for Milwaukee to trade for him last season: 1) to enhance their playoff team, 2) Monroe "test drive" before offseason (like how we viewed trading for RJackson).



He could have always still tested the market in the offseason.....us trading him would not have changed his becoming a FA.

[MotownMadness]

Incentive for Monroe to agree to a trade: 1) go to a playoff team, 2) try-out for another team/organization

Incentive for Milwaukee to trade for him last season: 1) to enhance their playoff team, 2) Monroe "test drive" before offseason (like how we viewed trading for RJackson).



He could have always still tested the market in the offseason.....us trading him would not have changed his becoming a FA.

That's all nice and all but still he had no intentions of accepting any trade. This was known and his intentions since signing the QO was to get to FA as a UFA.

[zeebneeb]

1) No incentive for Monroe to agree to trade
2) No incentive for another team to give up value for a guy who they could get for free

If Pistons wanted value for Monroe they shouldve offered him a max contract last offseason instead of lowballing him. He could've been traded for value this offseason or at last years trade deadline.

Couple of things here. The Pistons didn't see him as a max contract player, and could've been traded, is one, a assumption, and two, who knows with which team.

If you can't trade for equal, or better value, you are stuck with a max contract player, and trying to trade him desperately at the deadline, or offseason, because Greg Monroe did not fit next to Andre Drummond.

There is also the issue of throwing in other players, and picks to make a trade work.

You say lowball, I say we don't know that number for certain, and Monroe is not worth, what he was just paid. Besides that, he signed with Milwaukee, so interest, from other teams couldn't have been that high.

We also don't know what number, or years Monroe wanted, so he could have become untradable.

[theBigLip]

The better question is "Why didn't Dumars trade Monroe at the deadline a year before?"

[tmorgan]

1) No incentive for Monroe to agree to trade
2) No incentive for another team to give up value for a guy who they could get for free

If Pistons wanted value for Monroe they shouldve offered him a max contract last offseason instead of lowballing him. He could've been traded for value this offseason or at last years trade deadline.

Couple of things here. The Pistons didn't see him as a max contract player, and could've been traded, is one, a assumption, and two, who knows with which team.

If you can't trade for equal, or better value, you are stuck with a max contract player, and trying to trade him desperately at the deadline, or offseason, because Greg Monroe did not fit next to Andre Drummond.

There is also the issue of throwing in other players, and picks to make a trade work.

You say lowball, I say we don't know that number for certain, and Monroe is not worth, what he was just paid. Besides that, he signed with Milwaukee, so interest, from other teams couldn't have been that high.

We also don't know what number, or years Monroe wanted, so he could have become untradable.

You're my boy, zeeb, but...

The commas in this post are atrocious. I read it and visualized you as Christopher Walken doing More Cowbell on SNL.

[zeebneeb]

1) No incentive for Monroe to agree to trade
2) No incentive for another team to give up value for a guy who they could get for free

If Pistons wanted value for Monroe they shouldve offered him a max contract last offseason instead of lowballing him. He could've been traded for value this offseason or at last years trade deadline.

Couple of things here. The Pistons didn't see him as a max contract player, and could've been traded, is one, a assumption, and two, who knows with which team.

If you can't trade for equal, or better value, you are stuck with a max contract player, and trying to trade him desperately at the deadline, or offseason, because Greg Monroe did not fit next to Andre Drummond.

There is also the issue of throwing in other players, and picks to make a trade work.

You say lowball, I say we don't know that number for certain, and Monroe is not worth, what he was just paid. Besides that, he signed with Milwaukee, so interest, from other teams couldn't have been that high.

We also don't know what number, or years Monroe wanted, so he could have become untradable.

You're my boy, zeeb, but...

The commas in this post are atrocious. I read it and visualized you as Christopher Walken doing More Cowbell on SNL.

I do almost all my posting on a phone now, held vertically so the comma, and period buttons are right next to the spacebar.

It can create a bunch of extra commas, and periods. I usually check for the periods, but never really check for extra commas.

That damn post does read exactly as you said. It's cracking me up.

[DetroitPistons]

1) No incentive for Monroe to agree to trade
2) No incentive for another team to give up value for a guy who they could get for free

If Pistons wanted value for Monroe they shouldve offered him a max contract last offseason instead of lowballing him. He could've been traded for value this offseason or at last years trade deadline.

This. From Monroe's perspective, why would he want to to be traded to a team who had the capspace to sign him? That would mean that team would have to give up valuable assets in the process and clearly Monroe has winning as a top priority.

I'm over Monroe though. He was a great player for us, albeit frustrating at times, but I'm moving on. We now have a better team fit wise (and talent wise imo). I'm must looking forward to crushing Monroe and the Bucks with our RJ/Dre P&R

[DetroitPistons]

Incentive for Monroe to agree to a trade: 1) go to a playoff team, 2) try-out for another team/organization

Incentive for Milwaukee to trade for him last season: 1) to enhance their playoff team, 2) Monroe "test drive" before offseason (like how we viewed trading for RJackson).



He could have always still tested the market in the offseason.....us trading him would not have changed his becoming a FA.

You have to keep in mind how many teams were on Monroe's radar. He wanted to look for the best situation for both money and winning reasons. You can't know what the best situation is until the offseason.

[DetroitPistons]

1) No incentive for Monroe to agree to trade
2) No incentive for another team to give up value for a guy who they could get for free

If Pistons wanted value for Monroe they shouldve offered him a max contract last offseason instead of lowballing him. He could've been traded for value this offseason or at last years trade deadline.

Couple of things here. The Pistons didn't see him as a max contract player, and could've been traded, is one, a assumption, and two, who knows with which team.

If you can't trade for equal, or better value, you are stuck with a max contract player, and trying to trade him desperately at the deadline, or offseason, because Greg Monroe did not fit next to Andre Drummond.

There is also the issue of throwing in other players, and picks to make a trade work.

You say lowball, I say we don't know that number for certain, and Monroe is not worth, what he was just paid. Besides that, he signed with Milwaukee, so interest, from other teams couldn't have been that high.

We also don't know what number, or years Monroe wanted, so he could have become untradable.

These are important points too. In the end I think SVG "lowballed" Monroe because he simply wasn't the type of player that fit into his system. He was either a center who couldn't defend the rim (have fun with that MIL lol) or a PF who couldn't shoot (I still can't believe Moose NEVER added a respectable midrange jumper in all his time here). I think it was just too risky to give a guy the max who don't think fits well with you. What if he had a freak offseason injury or something? Now you have to deal with a toxic contract and player that fits like a square peg in a round hole.

[DetroitPistons]

The better question is "Why didn't Dumars trade Monroe at the deadline a year before?"

I don't think anyone really wanted that at that point. Most people wanted Smith gone instead. Monroe was still young and most people still believed in Drumroe. To be honest I still think Drumroe can work as long as you have 3 shooters on the perimeter. Heck, it worked great for us with Jennings running the show.

[DetroitPistons]

1) No incentive for Monroe to agree to trade
2) No incentive for another team to give up value for a guy who they could get for free

If Pistons wanted value for Monroe they shouldve offered him a max contract last offseason instead of lowballing him. He could've been traded for value this offseason or at last years trade deadline.

Couple of things here. The Pistons didn't see him as a max contract player, and could've been traded, is one, a assumption, and two, who knows with which team.

If you can't trade for equal, or better value, you are stuck with a max contract player, and trying to trade him desperately at the deadline, or offseason, because Greg Monroe did not fit next to Andre Drummond.

There is also the issue of throwing in other players, and picks to make a trade work.

You say lowball, I say we don't know that number for certain, and Monroe is not worth, what he was just paid. Besides that, he signed with Milwaukee, so interest, from other teams couldn't have been that high.

We also don't know what number, or years Monroe wanted, so he could have become untradable.

You're my boy, zeeb, but...

The commas in this post are atrocious. I read it and visualized you as Christopher Walken doing More Cowbell on SNL.

Lmao I know what you mean. Holy commas batman!

[DBC10]

The better question is "Why didn't Dumars trade Monroe at the deadline a year before?"

I don't think anyone really wanted that at that point. Most people wanted Smith gone instead. Monroe was still young and most people still believed in Drumroe. To be honest I still think Drumroe can work as long as you have 3 shooters on the perimeter. Heck, it worked great for us with Jennings running the show.

That magical winning streak with Jennings running the show was by far the best basketball I've seen from this team since post-Going to work era. It's not even close.

But, Monroe is gone now so we got a new horizon which I think is going to replicate more winning streaks.

[sfballa13]

SVG biggest mistake was NOT trading Josh Smith immediately after taking over and committing to Monroe/Drummond right away.

Baynes just got 6M, Robin Lopez I think like 12M --- Monroe on a max deal would have been a perfect trade chip for us.

It's not like we went and got a marquee free agent this offseason anyways, the cap hit of a Monroe max deal didn't really matter.

After teams struck out on Aldridge/Deandre they would have been dying to get a hold of a C on a long term deal.

Paying Smith 5M a year to go away and getting NOTHING for a top 15 center in the game will go down as SVG worst moves

[mattao313]

SVG biggest mistake was NOT trading Josh Smith immediately after taking over and committing to Monroe/Drummond right away.

Baynes just got 6M, Robin Lopez I think like 12M --- Monroe on a max deal would have been a perfect trade chip for us.

It's not like we went and got a marquee free agent this offseason anyways, the cap hit of a Monroe max deal didn't really matter.

After teams struck out on Aldridge/Deandre they would have been dying to get a hold of a C on a long term deal.

Paying Smith 5M a year to go away and getting NOTHING for a top 15 center in the game will go down as SVG worst moves

I'm not certain but I'm pretty sure he didn't trade Smith because it would involve trading our pick.

[sfballa13]

SVG biggest mistake was NOT trading Josh Smith immediately after taking over and committing to Monroe/Drummond right away.

Baynes just got 6M, Robin Lopez I think like 12M --- Monroe on a max deal would have been a perfect trade chip for us.

It's not like we went and got a marquee free agent this offseason anyways, the cap hit of a Monroe max deal didn't really matter.

After teams struck out on Aldridge/Deandre they would have been dying to get a hold of a C on a long term deal.

Paying Smith 5M a year to go away and getting NOTHING for a top 15 center in the game will go down as SVG worst moves

I'm not certain but I'm pretty sure he didn't trade Smith because it would involve trading our pick.

We definitely could have moved Smith without trading the pick

[zeebneeb]

SVG biggest mistake was NOT trading Josh Smith immediately after taking over and committing to Monroe/Drummond right away.

Baynes just got 6M, Robin Lopez I think like 12M --- Monroe on a max deal would have been a perfect trade chip for us.

It's not like we went and got a marquee free agent this offseason anyways, the cap hit of a Monroe max deal didn't really matter.

After teams struck out on Aldridge/Deandre they would have been dying to get a hold of a C on a long term deal.

Paying Smith 5M a year to go away and getting NOTHING for a top 15 center in the game will go down as SVG worst moves

I'm not certain but I'm pretty sure he didn't trade Smith because it would involve trading our pick.

We definitely could have moved Smith without trading the pick

Explain how you know this, and don't say becuase, or come up with a litany of reasons why. I want to see a trade, that was in the works that Stan failed to act upon.

You said definitely, so I assume you have a link/source of some kind showing and or detailing Stan's worst move as you put it.

I am really interested in discussing this, as it is the summer doldrums, and anything new to talk about is really welcomed.