State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (FIBA Americas Aug.31-Sep.15)

NBACommissioner · Post #1241 » by **NBACommissioner** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:09 am

Rapcity_11 wrote:
NBACommissioner wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
I said no legit NBA future. Come on dude.

A lot of 2nd rounders make it though. They might not be stars but a lot still make it and those guys probably will if they are on the US team (it's the Euros that are usually wasted). Dwight Powell, Norman Powell, and Jordan Clarkson were all 40th pick for instance

Right now they're only as good as they are, you know right now. To have success Bennett is going to have to play well against top 15 NBA PF's. Not 30th ranked college Juniors. I can't believe this is even a discussion.

Is he? I doubt he'll be starting next year unless he's on Philly but even so not many 22 year olds can Guard top 15 PF's. Either way the US had what 4 7fters? and Bennett ended up with 14 reb in 27 min that's impressive anyway you look at it.

NBACommissioner · Post #1242 » by **NBACommissioner** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:10 am

Rapcity_11 wrote:
WeTheNorth77 wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
I said no legit NBA future. Come on dude.

U said "Or maybe he hates playing against nba talent". Key word nba talent

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True, that was a mistake. Should have thrown legit in there.

That is why we're arguing right now.

Rapcity_11 · Post #1243 » by **Rapcity_11** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:12 am

NBACommissioner wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
WeTheNorth77 wrote:
U said "Or maybe he hates playing against nba talent". Key word nba talent

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True, that was a mistake. Should have thrown legit in there.

That is why we're arguing right now.

No dude, you objected to me saying they had no legit NBA future...

Chuck Newhouse · Post #1244 » by **Chuck Newhouse** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:15 am

curryking3 wrote:Jesus, 68 clips to edit to make this highlight reel...... processing now, damn Murray and his clutchness lmao!

And that was definitely a travel.... damn. But oh well

Chuck Newhouse wrote:Murray has something very special about him that I don't think Wiggins has.

Wiggins will get there, Murray just has great BB IQ and court vision already naturally. But Wiggins will improve with more PT, plus he's playing against NBA talent already.

I absolutely love Murray though, outside of some turnovers that could only be credited to a lack of experience that will come soon, watching his calm and collected and deliberate decisions in his game is awe-inspiring. So much control and another level of court vision to go with it.

I can't imagine what Steve Nash is thinking now to have a prodigy like Murray right as he can dedicate more time to Team Canada basketball. Perfect timing for the young kid and the Hall of Famer...

Can't wait to see what this kid does!

He does have way better court vision but I think you were more accurate with the BBIQ thing. I think he is much smarter than Wiggins too (you can see it in his eyes). I also think he is more naturally confident and has more killer instinct. If I had to bet my life on which one becomes the bigger star I'd say Murray.

NBACommissioner · Post #1245 » by **NBACommissioner** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:15 am

Rapcity_11 wrote:
NBACommissioner wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
True, that was a mistake. Should have thrown legit in there.

That is why we're arguing right now.

No dude, you objected to me saying they had no legit NBA future...

No it stems back from your original comment about them not being NBAer...Nothing i've said would have made any sense if I was arguing over that comment. I just posted that one because I couldn't find your original and I figured it was close enough.

curryking3 · Post #1246 » by **curryking3** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:16 am

Uploaded finally... processing on YT now....

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzWupoxoGAI[/youtube]

And the previous 2 games, didn't make one for the first though.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuaPUdA6Fqk[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADKCKNIcuPU[/youtube]

Chuck Newhouse · Post #1247 » by **Chuck Newhouse** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:34 am

NBACommissioner wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
NBACommissioner wrote:
That is why we're arguing right now.

No dude, you objected to me saying they had no legit NBA future...

No it stems back from your original comment about them not being NBAer...Nothing i've said would have made any sense if I was arguing over that comment. I just posted that one because I couldn't find your original and I figured it was close enough.

I don't know why you guys are arguing about Bennett like it's a hypothetical situation. We just saw a performance that would have held up against any level of competition. I'm sure you have all watched enough basketball to just see the pure ability regardless of the competition. I think you have to be crazy to think he won't have a great NBA career as long as he stays healthy and in great shape. How many players his age could get 14 boards in in 27 minutes and shoot 3's and play above the rim like that who don't turn out great? Show me that list!

frumble · Post #1248 » by **frumble** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:45 am

NBACommissioner wrote:
You realize that that entire US team either has been or is going to be in the NBA right..They were no joke.

Keith Langford played a grand total of 10 minutes in the NBA. He is an NBA player like Andy Rautins and Sim Bhullar are NBA players. Maybe less so than Bhullar, because Bhullar has a chance of getting more NBA minutes in the future.

Of the seven NCAA guys on the team, six are entering their senior seasons.

Draftexpress.com has two of the six in its 2016 mock draft: Taurean Prince 28th, Ron Baker 42nd, and the other four not drafted.

NBAdraft.net has Baker 40th, Prince 42nd, Tarczewski 43rd, Brogdan 49th, Long 50th, and Valentine not drafted.

How many guys ranked 40th or below (or not at all) in the upcoming mock draft end up making the NBA? Less than half?

I would be surprised if even three of the six make the NBA.

For comparison purposes, Canada's 12th man, Kyle Wiltjer is also entering his senior season. He is not listed on DE's 2016 mock, but is 47th on NBAdraft.net's.

Canada's 11th man, Dillon Brooks, entering his soph season, is listed 38th on NBAdraft.net's mock 2017 draft (draft express does not have its 2017 mock up yet).

So all six of those guys are considered comparable or worse NBA prospects than Canada's 11th and 12th guys.

The US roster is not a joke, but let's not pretend it is any more than it is.

There is a reason the US has not won PanAm gold since 83, they do not take this tournament seriously.

Canada usually does not take it seriously either (quick, without looking it up, can anyone name even half of our roster from the 2011 PanAms? Clue: It was all CIS, and featured the likes of Nathan Yu).

orbesnet · Post #1249 » by **orbesnet** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:47 am

I'm going to remember that game for a long time.

Rustyman · Post #1250 » by **Rustyman** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:50 am

NBACommissioner wrote:
Chuck Newhouse wrote:Murray has something very special about him that I don't think Wiggins has.

It's called a brain

I guess we just have to wait as I see Wiggins as an All Star but nothing more than a off the bench rotation player in Murray.

Also, if that that chucking in OT is how Murray expects to play in the NBA, he will be out of the league before his rookie contract is up.

Rustyman · Post #1251 » by **Rustyman** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:59 am

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He does have way better court vision but I think you were more accurate with the BBIQ thing. I think he is much smarter than Wiggins too (you can see it in his eyes). I also think he is more naturally confident and has more killer instinct. If I had to bet my life on which one becomes the bigger star I'd say Murray.[/quote]

What a silly statement (you can see it in his eyes). I guess anyone who does not celebrate beating up a bunch of scrubs (which is what this US team was) like it was the NBA finals and whooping it up while doing it, does not have that "killer instinct" either. NBA history is littered with washouts who acted like they were the biggest thing in the game because that's what they were in high school or college.

Look at this year's draft and the top 10 picks and the only one which comes over like a dick is Russell and he is also who I think has the greatest bust potential of all. Acting like a moron does not make you a better player than other players, talent, opportunity and dedication is what separates players and I think Murray is lacking in the first area.

Rapcity_11 · Post #1252 » by **Rapcity_11** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:09 am

NBACommissioner wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
NBACommissioner wrote:
That is why we're arguing right now.

No dude, you objected to me saying they had no legit NBA future...

No it stems back from your original comment about them not being NBAer...Nothing i've said would have made any sense if I was arguing over that comment. I just posted that one because I couldn't find your original and I figured it was close enough.

Maybe getting drafted doesn't make them NBA talent. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Rapcity_11 · Post #1253 » by **Rapcity_11** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:09 am

Chuck Newhouse wrote:
NBACommissioner wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
No dude, you objected to me saying they had no legit NBA future...

No it stems back from your original comment about them not being NBAer...Nothing i've said would have made any sense if I was arguing over that comment. I just posted that one because I couldn't find your original and I figured it was close enough.

I don't know why you guys are arguing about Bennett like it's a hypothetical situation. We just saw a performance that would have held up against any level of competition. I'm sure you have all watched enough basketball to just see the pure ability regardless of the competition. I think you have to be crazy to think he won't have a great NBA career as long as he stays healthy and in great shape. How many players his age could get 14 boards in in 27 minutes and shoot 3's and play above the rim like that who don't turn out great? Show me that list!

He has tools, sure. Too bad it takes a lot more than that to succeed. How many players have been as bad as him in their first 2 years and have turned out great?

Chuck Newhouse · Post #1254 » by **Chuck Newhouse** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:24 am

If injuries hadn't taken him out of his rhythm I might agree with you. Some players (especially young players) need to be in certain situations to thrive. The combination of his injuries, his conditioning, his shocking rise to #1 and being on 2 teams in his first 2 years, seems to have disoriented him. One of the only players I can think of with the tools he has that flopped was also named Anthony and also played in tonight's game. I'd be really shocked if he isn't a solid starter bordering on all star level in 2-3 years.

arbsn · Post #1255 » by **arbsn** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:25 am

Rapcity_11 wrote:
Chuck Newhouse wrote:
NBACommissioner wrote:
No it stems back from your original comment about them not being NBAer...Nothing i've said would have made any sense if I was arguing over that comment. I just posted that one because I couldn't find your original and I figured it was close enough.

I don't know why you guys are arguing about Bennett like it's a hypothetical situation. We just saw a performance that would have held up against any level of competition. I'm sure you have all watched enough basketball to just see the pure ability regardless of the competition. I think you have to be crazy to think he won't have a great NBA career as long as he stays healthy and in great shape. How many players his age could get 14 boards in in 27 minutes and shoot 3's and play above the rim like that who don't turn out great? Show me that list!

He has tools, sure. Too bad it takes a lot more than that to succeed. How many players have been as bad as him in their first 2 years and have turned out great?

Other than the fact that nearly all big man take a few years to develop (other than the studs like Anthony Davis),

I'll give you 1 very relevant player who fits that criteria - Paul Millsap

Chuck Newhouse · Post #1256 » by **Chuck Newhouse** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:26 am

arbsn wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
Chuck Newhouse wrote:
I don't know why you guys are arguing about Bennett like it's a hypothetical situation. We just saw a performance that would have held up against any level of competition. I'm sure you have all watched enough basketball to just see the pure ability regardless of the competition. I think you have to be crazy to think he won't have a great NBA career as long as he stays healthy and in great shape. How many players his age could get 14 boards in in 27 minutes and shoot 3's and play above the rim like that who don't turn out great? Show me that list!

He has tools, sure. Too bad it takes a lot more than that to succeed. How many players have been as bad as him in their first 2 years and have turned out great?

Other than the fact that nearly all big man take a few years to develop (other than the studs like Anthony Davis),

I'll give you 1 very relevant player who fits that criteria - Paul Millsap

Millsap was great as a rookie. He was clearly the best 2nd rounder from that draft after his first season.

Jonn · Post #1257 » by **Jonn** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:28 am

I want Bennett to go somewhere where they actually give him a chance to play. He needs minutes.

MEDIC · Post #1258 » by **MEDIC** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:45 am

Chuck Newhouse wrote:Murray has something very special about him that I don't think Wiggins has.

I've been saying that for a year or so.

Murray is simply much more skilled & has a much more natural feel for the game. He also has the psychological aspect that you want to see. Confidence. Killer instinct.

Wiggins absolutely demolishes him in athleticism & length though. Wiggins always kind of reminded me of Derozan.........on steroids. A raw athlete that has to put a ton of work in to get the most out of his natural abilities.

Wiggins elite length & athleticism go a long way in todays NBA though.

The good news is, the two of them should play off one another very well for Team Canada.

MEDIC · Post #1259 » by **MEDIC** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:46 am

I love FIBA rules so much better than NBA rules.

Can't stand how the NBA has castrated true big men.

wfnshow316 · Post #1260 » by **wfnshow316** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:04 am

No need to do this Wiggins vs Murray -both good hope both turn out to be great - would love to see a Raptors lineup with a Murray/Wiggins backcourt. We might see glimpses of this in August - just think of the PANAM's as a coming out party for Murray - the boy seems to shine in big moments - lets see if that continues

Is it just me or has Triano found a way to make Bennett effective - I think a lineup of Bennett Patterson Carroll, Powell and Joseph would be effective for the raptors like the Nicholsan/\Bennett lineup has worked for the NT Very good game to watch