The Official Should We Have Signed Thad Thread

[MrDollarBills]

Dude, you said it yourself that you wanna tank it in 2019 and for the next few years after that....you're advocating tanking.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Dude, you said it yourself that you wanna tank it in 2019 and for the next few years after that....you're advocating tanking.

Wanna provide a quote where I said that? Cause Im pretty sure you just made that up.

[Paradise]

Tired of the same old stuff. I want the Nets to win a title. We can build what we have now, but come 2019 its time to blow it all up.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Tired of the same old stuff. I want the Nets to win a title. We can build what we have now, but come 2019 its time to blow it all up.

Blowing it all up does not mean tanking. It means rebuilding. Tanking is purposely losing over several seasons in order to get higher draft picks.

[MrDollarBills]

At least with tanking we had a chance to get John Wall or Anthony Davis. And FYI we should have gotten Lillard. But we traded him for the corpse of Gerald Wallace.

I would WAY rather be Philly than Brooklyn.

sounds like a tank and pray advocate to me.

You want to lose on purpose. No matter how you try to spin your way out of it, you are advocating that the Nets blow it up and tank. That's what blow it up means

[Hello Brooklyn]

At least with tanking we had a chance to get John Wall or Anthony Davis. And FYI we should have gotten Lillard. But we traded him for the corpse of Gerald Wallace.

I would WAY rather be Philly than Brooklyn.

sounds like a tank and pray advocate to me.

You want to lose on purpose. No matter how you try to spin your way out of it, you are advocating that the Nets blow it up and tank. That's what blow it up means

Saying that Philadelphia is in a better position than us, is not advocating tanking. Its just saying that the Nets are in a God awful position with no way out in the next 3 years.

We probably won't make the playoffs and don't have our draft pick for the next 3 years. How on Earth can you argue that we are in the better position?

You guys are just putting words in my mouth, and not focusing on the issue because I've already proven myself right. Rebuilding through the draft is the only way to build a championship level team. And you know it.

Blowing it up does have to equate to tanking. Thats a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) argument.

[MrDollarBills]

I love when people say something and then start moving goal posts.

So now you're not advocating tanking...yet you want to spend the next 5-7 years in the lottery hoping to draft a once in a lifetime generational superstar talent. Newsflash...if that player becomes available...you're gonna have to more than likely spend the next 5-7 years posting 16-19 win seasons to even have a chance at getting a pick high enough to take him.

But go on, please continue to say one thing and then say in the next sentence that you don't advocate what you're saying.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I love when people say something and then start moving goal posts.

So now you're not advocating tanking...yet you want to spend the next 5-7 years in the lottery hoping to draft a once in a lifetime generational superstar talent. Newsflash...if that player becomes available...you're gonna have to more than likely spend the next 5-7 years posting 16-19 win seasons to even have a chance at getting a pick high enough to take him.

But go on, please continue to say one thing and then say in the next sentence that you don't advocate what you're saying.

Why does everything have to be so black and white for you?

There are in betweens in the middle of tanking and staying on course and trying to build through free agency.

I said in 5-7 years hopefully we can be a contender. I never said we should spend 5-7 years in the lottery.

You keep saying I say things which I don't because it fits your own prerogative. And then when I ask you to provide evidence of me saying things you post quotes that don't even support your argument. Ok lol.

The point is your strategy has NEVER WORKED. Ever in any scenario that I can think of when trying to build a championship team. So why would I want to follow it?

Keeping Thad and Lopez and praying for Durant, Dwight, Lebron, or any other big time FA to come here and make us into a championships contender has a 0% chance of working. I'm sorry. The only way to win a championship is to draft a superstar. And the facts verify this. So I really don't see the point in continuing this argument anymore.

[MrDollarBills]

Who said anyone was praying for Durant or Dwight to team up with Lopez and co? Myself and Paradise have advocated trying to do what Memphis and Atlanta have done since we don't have access to a superstar player...build a talented team with an identity. Despite the draft limitations, I think that with sensible maneuvering the Nets can incrementally build a nice team over the next two seasons.

Also, how do you propose we get a pick high enough in 2019 to draft a superstar?

Go on...I want to hear how you don't advocate tanking...yet are screaming to get a pick high enough in the lottery to draft a potential stud. You can't even keep your own argument straight dude, I don't blame you for not wanting to continue after painting yourself into a corner like that.

The facts verify that you need to draft a superstar to have a chance to win a title. Correct. Outside of the Pistons, which falls into category of a talented team with an identity, no one has been able to win one without an A Tier player. The facts also verify that being able to draft one that can alter the franchise is based on very slim odds.

Your strategy isn't much of a strategy. Your strategy is based on timing, losing, and sheer luck. A game of craps. The other strategy is actually working with something tangible and trying to form an actual plan of action.

The Pistons did not draft a superstar and they went to the NBA finals twice and won once. So technically, the method I'm in favor of, assembling a talented team of B tiers/C tiers and forming an identity has worked in the past. Just not as much as being a bottom feeded and lucking into a once in a lifetime superstar player like Michael Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan, or Lebron James...while ignoring the existence of the Los Angeles Clippers, Sacramento Kings and...oh yeah, the New Jersey Nets

[Hello Brooklyn]

Who said anyone was praying for Durant or Dwight to team up with Lopez and co? Myself and Paradise have advocated trying to do what Memphis and Atlanta have done since we don't have access to a superstar player...build a talented team with an identity. Despite the draft limitations, I think that with sensible maneuvering the Nets can incrementally build a nice team over the next two seasons.

Also, how do you propose we get a pick high enough in 2019 to draft a superstar?

Go on...I want to hear how you don't advocate tanking...yet are screaming to get a pick high enough in the lottery to draft a potential stud. You can't even keep your own argument straight dude, I don't blame you for not wanting to continue after painting yourself into a corner like that.

The facts verify that you need to draft a superstar to have a chance to win a title. Correct. Outside of the Pistons, which falls into category of a talented team with an identity, no one has been able to win one without an A Tier player. The facts also verify that being able to draft one that can alter the franchise is based on very slim odds.

Your strategy isn't much of a strategy. Your strategy is based on timing, losing, and sheer luck. A game of craps. The other strategy is actually working with something tangible and trying to form an actual plan of action.

The Pistons did not draft a superstar and they went to the NBA finals twice and won once. So technically, the method I'm in favor of, assembling a talented team of B tiers/C tiers and forming an identity has worked in the past. Just not as much as being a bottom feeded and lucking into a once in a lifetime superstar player like Michael Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan, or Lebron James...while ignoring the existence of the Los Angeles Clippers, Sacramento Kings and...oh yeah, the New Jersey Nets

You understand that Memphis is only where its at because of the emergence of Marc Gasol right? Who they traded their borderline superstar power forward for?

And Atlanta is faux contender. If you wanna be Memphis or Atlanta fine. Then your strategy could work. But I guarantee you that neither Memphis nor Atlanta will win a championship as currently constructed.

But I only care about the Nets being a championship level team.

And again youre right about the slim odds. But now youre using the Pistons as an example? Thats beyond slim odds, its microscopic. I would love for us to become the Pistons. But it would be 100x easier for us to draft a superstar. Because I don't think there has been any other NBA champion since I was born (93), which didn't draft their superstar.

I think we can both agree that drafting a superstar is very hard to do and requires luck. But personally, I am willing to take the chance and do that rather than become the next Atlanta Hawks.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I actually did the math and of the 65 NBA Finals played, I could only find 2 teams that didn't draft a hall of fame player first. The 83 Sixers and 2004 Pistons. So basically a .03% chance.

[Paradise]

I think we can both agree that drafting a superstar is very hard to do and requires luck. But personally, I am willing to take the chance and do that rather than become the next Atlanta Hawks.

So, what's wrong with being the Orlando Magic, Milwaukee Bucks, Boston Celtics? All teams rebuilt through the draft without a pursedo 'star' and it was done within 4 seasons.

You refer to the Hawks like having a system, culture, developing talent and a consistent playoff team is a bad thing. Give us the assets, players, system and playbook of the current Hawks and we become a legit destination for superstars. A NY franchise run properly with a ECF run along with a deep pockets owner automatically makes Wade, Durant, James meet with us. Regardless of the odds they sign or not is irrelevant. Those characteristics in a franchise is what leads to interest. You think Philly has a chance with those guys their current strategy and 'talent' ? Not a chance.

Did the Suns tank for some great white hope? No. They built through the draft with Booker, Len and through trades with Bledsoe, Knight, Morris twins. Added a veteran center which led to them nearly getting LaMarcus Aldridge.

What's the odds of landing the next big thing? It's hit or miss. Worse than free agency. Charlotte whored themselves out in 2011 for a 7-59 season only to fall short of Anthony Davis by one spot.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I think we can both agree that drafting a superstar is very hard to do and requires luck. But personally, I am willing to take the chance and do that rather than become the next Atlanta Hawks.

So, what's wrong with being the Orlando Magic, Milwaukee Bucks, Boston Celtics? All teams rebuilt through the draft without a pursedo 'star' and it was done within 4 seasons.

You refer to the Hawks like having a system, culture, developing talent and a consistent playoff team is a bad thing. Give us the assets, players, system and playbook of the current Hawks and we become a legit destination for superstars. A NY franchise run properly with a ECF run along with a deep pockets owner automatically makes Wade, Durant, James meet with us. Regardless of the odds they sign or not is irrelevant. Those characteristics in a franchise is what leads to interest. You think Philly has a chance with those guys their current strategy and 'talent' ? Not a chance.

Did the Suns tank for some great white hope? No. They built through the draft with Booker, Len and through trades with Bledsoe, Knight, Morris twins. Added a veteran center which led to them nearly getting LaMarcus Aldridge.

What's the odds of landing the next big thing? It's hit or miss. Worse than free agency. Charlotte whored themselves out in 2011 for a 7-59 season only to fall short of Anthony Davis by one spot.

You don't know how good Olidapio will be nor do you know how good Jabari Parker will be. They have good young teams which could end up producing superstar talent. I'm ok with being in that position.

Its is a bad thing. The Hawks are mediocre. Theyre not good enough to win a championship and theyre not bad enough to acquire real talent through the draft.

As currently constructed, the Hawks will never win a championship. As far as being a "legit destination" for superstars, I don't give a ****. Superstar go where other good players are. That's what matters most. Not getting to playoffs and not producing a team good enough to contend for a championship.

The Hawks don't have the cap space to sign Durant, James, or Wade. If youre good enough to make he ECF and not to win a championship, I don't think youre going to be able to have the cap space to sign Lebron. And if the Hawks were in NY, no I don't think Lebron or Durant would come there. Nobody wants to go play with Paul Milsap. I'm sorry.

If Okafar and Noel end up becoming really good players, yes I could so free agents wanting to go there.

The Suns are not in a great position either. I don't want to be like them at all.

Again, what youre arguing for has a .03% chance of working. I'd rather not take that risk and get a chance at drafting a superstar.

[jbeachboy]

a few teams have won the lottery with a small percentage or less or they sneak into top 3 , but we dont have lottery picks until 2019 but we will probably have a solid team by that year anyway

[MrDollarBills]

I love how a 60 win team is "mediocre".

[Dirk]

I love how a 60 win team is "mediocre".

This is why the NBA "sucks" in a way. If you don't have a shot at the title... you're labelled a treadmill team. You're not valued even if you win 50 games! While in the NFL you see teams fighting to the death just to make steady improvements and get a couple more wins over the previous season, with a playoff presence being extremely valued.

The Hawks case is actually a great example. For years being "mediocre", they made the jump last season without having had to tank or get big fish in free agency. Unfortunately totally broke down in the playoffs, through long periods of the season they played like title contenders, but unlike the Warriors they don't have the star factor. But seriously... there are only 2 or 3 teams every year with a real shot at the title, despite that, as fans we shouldn't have this terrible mentality that pretty much all the others suck. I guess in some peoples minds, as long as Lebron is in his prime, all the Eastern Conference teams should be tanking.

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah, its like if you don't have Durant, Lebron, Davis, or Curry you might as well tank the season.

We're going to build a team, maintain some flexibility I hope for trades, maybe try to make a run at one of the 2017 guys(2016 free agency is garbage) and see if they'd wanna come here (we should be a lot better in the 2016-17 season), and play some competitive basketball. All of this losing on purpose nonsense is moronic, who the hell wants to win 12 games and then get stiffed in the lottery??

[Universe]

Who said anyone was praying for Durant or Dwight to team up with Lopez and co? Myself and Paradise have advocated trying to do what Memphis and Atlanta have done since we don't have access to a superstar player...build a talented team with an identity. Despite the draft limitations, I think that with sensible maneuvering the Nets can incrementally build a nice team over the next two seasons.

Also, how do you propose we get a pick high enough in 2019 to draft a superstar?

Go on...I want to hear how you don't advocate tanking...yet are screaming to get a pick high enough in the lottery to draft a potential stud. You can't even keep your own argument straight dude, I don't blame you for not wanting to continue after painting yourself into a corner like that.

The facts verify that you need to draft a superstar to have a chance to win a title. Correct. Outside of the Pistons, which falls into category of a talented team with an identity, no one has been able to win one without an A Tier player. The facts also verify that being able to draft one that can alter the franchise is based on very slim odds.

Your strategy isn't much of a strategy. Your strategy is based on timing, losing, and sheer luck. A game of craps. The other strategy is actually working with something tangible and trying to form an actual plan of action.

The Pistons did not draft a superstar and they went to the NBA finals twice and won once. So technically, the method I'm in favor of, assembling a talented team of B tiers/C tiers and forming an identity has worked in the past. Just not as much as being a bottom feeded and lucking into a once in a lifetime superstar player like Michael Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan, or Lebron James...while ignoring the existence of the Los Angeles Clippers, Sacramento Kings and...oh yeah, the New Jersey Nets

You understand that Memphis is only where its at because of the emergence of Marc Gasol right? Who they traded their borderline superstar power forward for?

And Atlanta is faux contender. If you wanna be Memphis or Atlanta fine. Then your strategy could work. But I guarantee you that neither Memphis nor Atlanta will win a championship as currently constructed.

But I only care about the Nets being a championship level team.

And again youre right about the slim odds. But now youre using the Pistons as an example? Thats beyond slim odds, its microscopic. I would love for us to become the Pistons. But it would be 100x easier for us to draft a superstar. Because I don't think there has been any other NBA champion since I was born (93), which didn't draft their superstar.

I think we can both agree that drafting a superstar is very hard to do and requires luck. But personally, I am willing to take the chance and do that rather than become the next Atlanta Hawks.

There has also been only nine teams since 1984 who have won a championship. Within those teams, most had multiple superstars so we'll have to do a lot of tanking to get to that level. Maybe Philly has it right?

[Hello Brooklyn]

I love how a 60 win team is "mediocre".

Do they have any chance of winning an NBA championship? Overachieving in one of the worst Eastern Conferences ever does not make you a contender.

You can aim for being the Atlanta Hawks. Winning 60 games and getting eviscerated like little boys in the ECF is not impressive to me. They're honestly lucky Wall wasn't there to beat them in the the 2nd round. And that PP's buzzer beater didn't count.

They even had some trouble with the joke of a team we have. LOL.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Who said anyone was praying for Durant or Dwight to team up with Lopez and co? Myself and Paradise have advocated trying to do what Memphis and Atlanta have done since we don't have access to a superstar player...build a talented team with an identity. Despite the draft limitations, I think that with sensible maneuvering the Nets can incrementally build a nice team over the next two seasons.

Also, how do you propose we get a pick high enough in 2019 to draft a superstar?

Go on...I want to hear how you don't advocate tanking...yet are screaming to get a pick high enough in the lottery to draft a potential stud. You can't even keep your own argument straight dude, I don't blame you for not wanting to continue after painting yourself into a corner like that.

The facts verify that you need to draft a superstar to have a chance to win a title. Correct. Outside of the Pistons, which falls into category of a talented team with an identity, no one has been able to win one without an A Tier player. The facts also verify that being able to draft one that can alter the franchise is based on very slim odds.

Your strategy isn't much of a strategy. Your strategy is based on timing, losing, and sheer luck. A game of craps. The other strategy is actually working with something tangible and trying to form an actual plan of action.

The Pistons did not draft a superstar and they went to the NBA finals twice and won once. So technically, the method I'm in favor of, assembling a talented team of B tiers/C tiers and forming an identity has worked in the past. Just not as much as being a bottom feeded and lucking into a once in a lifetime superstar player like Michael Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan, or Lebron James...while ignoring the existence of the Los Angeles Clippers, Sacramento Kings and...oh yeah, the New Jersey Nets

You understand that Memphis is only where its at because of the emergence of Marc Gasol right? Who they traded their borderline superstar power forward for?

And Atlanta is faux contender. If you wanna be Memphis or Atlanta fine. Then your strategy could work. But I guarantee you that neither Memphis nor Atlanta will win a championship as currently constructed.

But I only care about the Nets being a championship level team.

And again youre right about the slim odds. But now youre using the Pistons as an example? Thats beyond slim odds, its microscopic. I would love for us to become the Pistons. But it would be 100x easier for us to draft a superstar. Because I don't think there has been any other NBA champion since I was born (93), which didn't draft their superstar.

I think we can both agree that drafting a superstar is very hard to do and requires luck. But personally, I am willing to take the chance and do that rather than become the next Atlanta Hawks.

There has also been only nine teams since 1984 who have won a championship. Within those teams, most had multiple superstars so we'll have to do a lot of tanking to get to that level. Maybe Philly has it right?

Would love to be one of those teams bro. Maybe we should emulate them.