Hindsight Greg Monroe trade to Milwaukee

[sfballa13]

I'm not certain but I'm pretty sure he didn't trade Smith because it would involve trading our pick.

We definitely could have moved Smith without trading the pick

Explain how you know this, and don't say becuase, or come up with a litany of reasons why. I want to see a trade, that was in the works that Stan failed to act upon.

You said definitely, so I assume you have a link/source of some kind showing and or detailing Stan's worst move as you put it.

I am really interested in discussing this, as it is the summer doldrums, and anything new to talk about is really welcomed.

Our discussions with Sacramento fell apart because SVG didn't want to take on Landry/Thompson/Derrick Williams. There was never mention of any pick in any of the rumors or articles.

Only thing that kept getting mentioned was that SVG didn't want to take on 10-13M of PF salaries without giving Smith a try.

We could have stretched Landry and kept Thompson who is partially guaranteed on the last year of his deal instead of stretching Smith for more money and destroying any team chemistry we might have established with him gone.

If Lance Stephenson and other trouble makers can get traded while on huge deals, Smith should have and could have been dealt as well.

[MotownMadness]

We definitely could have moved Smith without trading the pick

Explain how you know this, and don't say becuase, or come up with a litany of reasons why. I want to see a trade, that was in the works that Stan failed to act upon.

You said definitely, so I assume you have a link/source of some kind showing and or detailing Stan's worst move as you put it.

I am really interested in discussing this, as it is the summer doldrums, and anything new to talk about is really welcomed.

Our discussions with Sacramento fell apart because SVG didn't want to take on Landry/Thompson/Derrick Williams. There was never mention of any pick in any of the rumors or articles.

Only thing that kept getting mentioned was that SVG didn't want to take on 10-13M of PF salaries without giving Smith a try.

We could have stretched Landry and kept Thompson who is partially guaranteed on the last year of his deal instead of stretching Smith for more money and destroying any team chemistry we might have established with him gone.

If Lance Stephenson and other trouble makers can get traded while on huge deals, Smith should have and could have been dealt as well.

I remember reading for sure that they were also requesting a 1st.

"According to Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press, the Pistons apparently decided to cut ties with Smith only after potential trade partners asked for a first-round pick to take his contract off Detroit's hands"

[Pharaoh]

At no stage did SVG have an offer for Smith that didn't include us giving up a first.

That is why talks broke down with the Kings.

I find it funny people complain about what SVG has done in 12 months...

Do we forget what he inherited from Joe?

[zeebneeb]

At no stage did SVG have an offer for Smith that didn't include us giving up a first.

That is why talks broke down with the Kings.

I find it funny people complain about what SVG has done in 12 months...

Do we forget what he inherited from Joe?

Well, I guess that ends that short loved notion. Giving up important assets, is not what I would call a good move. So it would seem that perhaps thus wasn't svg's worst move? Perhaps it was a good move to just cut him?

[kurtis48239]

Stan inherited a mess,and did what he could do,in my eyes he has redemed himself and has shown that the whole smith/moose thing was just a big mess,and more than likely anyone that came in would have handled that wrong,just stepping in.

Stan has made this team way more balanced with alot of different avenues to take latter on down the line by not handcuffing ourselfs to moose.

My personal opinion on the moose loss,Nothing really.Its not like he is or is going to be a super star in this league.He also didnt want to be apart of what det was building.I also think ersan is going to fill his shoes just fine and people will love having a true stretch next to dre and watching a better balanced front court, no more watching moose look around like a deer in head lights and hold the ball to long instead of shooting a jumper, which is the problem,if moose cant get to within a few feet of the rim and use his foot work,hes pretty much useless at pf, and we already have a starting center.

I want to say that hopefuly we can get past the moose era and be done with it, but watching those 2 match up and dre dominating him,will carry on for at least a few seasons (hello knight) lol.

[Mr Peanut]

The initial trade discussions with Sacramento last off-season were Smith for Jason Thompson/Derrick Williams or Carl Landry/Derrick Williams. No picks involved. Someone less lazy than me should be able to find the articles if they wanted.

Teams only started asking for a first as well when we got off to our horrible start and Smith was playing like turd.

[princeofpalace]

The initial trade discussions with Sacramento last off-season were Smith for Jason Thompson/Derrick Williams or Carl Landry/Derrick Williams. No picks involved. Someone less lazy than me should be able to find the articles if they wanted.

Teams only started asking for a first as well when we got off to our horrible start and Smith was playing like turd.

Exactly this, I believe it was Woj who reported it. At the end of the day, I will chalk last offseason up to rookie mistakes. SVG has made subsequent moves to redeem the mistakes he made last offseason.

[ImHeisenberg]

The better question is "Why didn't Dumars trade Monroe at the deadline a year before?"

Because Dumars was exceptionally short sighted and his primary concern was retaining his job- not the future success of the team.

Any GM confident in their job would have traded an expiring Stuckey that season, he was playing well for a lottery team. They also probably would have been trying to trade Josh Smith for any kind of expiring deal, opposed to riding it out in hopes that it would eventually make him look good.

The guy was a complete failure as a GM once we lost Davidson as the owner.

[Billl]

99% of reported trade offers are wrong, so I'm not sure what good finding a link would be. The only thing we can be certain of is that nobody was offering a straight salary dump mid-season or else SVG wouldn't have just eaten Smith's contract. Anything beyond that is just speculation.

[Blkbrd671]

99% of reported trade offers are wrong, so I'm not sure what good finding a link would be. The only thing we can be certain of is that nobody was offering a straight salary dump mid-season or else SVG wouldn't have just eaten Smith's contract. Anything beyond that is just speculation.

WEll if you actually did google the propsed trade you'd see SVG actually acknowledges discussions but wasn't willing to put the franchise in a less flexible position. Looking back he was refering to the stretch provision. You just happen to comment on the 1%

[Blkbrd671]

The better question is "Why didn't Dumars trade Monroe at the deadline a year before?"

Because Dumars was exceptionally short sighted and his primary concern was retaining his job- not the future success of the team.

Any GM confident in their job would have traded an expiring Stuckey that season, he was playing well for a lottery team. They also probably would have been trying to trade Josh Smith for any kind of expiring deal, opposed to riding it out in hopes that it would eventually make him look good.

The guy was a complete failure as a GM once we lost Davidson as the owner.

Not true

You forget that Joe D was handicap'd by the owner situation. However where Joe D failed is that he never evolved like the rest of the league did with Statistians , scouting etc. He also didn't know how to let go ie not trading tay for a first rounder, stuckey, moose. Having the type of GM like SVG has made me realized, maybe it was a good thing that Joe D was handicap'd by the owners

[ImHeisenberg]

Not true

You forget that Joe D was handicap'd by the owner situation. However where Joe D failed is that he never evolved like the rest of the league did with Statistians , scouting etc. He also didn't know how to let go ie not trading tay for a first rounder, stuckey, moose. Having the type of GM like SVG has made me realized, maybe it was a good thing that Joe D was handicap'd by the owners

Fair enough, Dumars was making terrible decisions prior to Davidson's passing.