Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

AtheJ415 · Post #881 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:41 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
GDFTony wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/625742882557796352[/tweet]

Phil says the price was too high, I wonder what we were asking for....

Ray Ray?

The thing is, at the time the Knicks have literally nothing we could take that would be enough for Dragic. They didn't even have many draft picks. Only thing I can think of us wanting is their unprotected 1st from this past season.

Melo is the only other desirable player for a team like us, but even if NYK was willing to trade him for Goran, which they aren't, we'd have to send so much salary back that we would be giving up too much on our end.

Puff · Post #882 » by **Puff** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:03 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:
Puff wrote:
NTB wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2517205-best-potential-trade-packages-and-destinations-for-phoenix-suns-markieff-morris/page/1

Here is an article about best potential trade packages for Markieff.

I have been consistent in my belief that we need to move Markieff and still want that to happen. I think all the deals proposed are reasonable for both sides and I could see any of them happening.

I just what this to be settled sooner than later. I want players that want to be on the Phoneix Suns. I want them to arrive at training camp in shape, with great attitudes.

It just appears that Markieff does not want to be here and that we do not want him either.

Camp hasn't started yet. As far as I know, the offseason is just that-- time for the guys to relax, train and prepare for the upcoming season.

Do you really think Markieff is going to spend time at the Suns training facility this summer?

When you have a sighting, let us know. I will eat the appropriate crow.

I think a more logical place to find he and his brother is a jail cell.

saintEscaton · Post #883 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:06 pm

Kieff+filler for DMo. Doubt Morey says yes but get 'er done

RunDogGun · Post #884 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:07 pm

Puff wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
Puff wrote:
I have been consistent in my belief that we need to move Markieff and still want that to happen. I think all the deals proposed are reasonable for both sides and I could see any of them happening.

I just what this to be settled sooner than later. I want players that want to be on the Phoneix Suns. I want them to arrive at training camp in shape, with great attitudes.

It just appears that Markieff does not want to be here and that we do not want him either.

Camp hasn't started yet. As far as I know, the offseason is just that-- time for the guys to relax, train and prepare for the upcoming season.

Do you really think Markieff is going to spend time at the Suns training facility this summer?

When you have a sighting, let us know. I will eat the appropriate crow.

I think a more logical place to find he and his brother is a jail cell.

So either way he will have to be in AZ, right?

Most likely he is spending time with his brother, any other assumptions are just that. He hasn't said anything publicly about not reporting, or even a hint that he won't show.

SideSwipe · Post #885 » by **SideSwipe** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:23 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:In the Gasol trade scenarios Kieff doesn't go to CHI, he goes to TOR, who sends Nogueira (replacement big) and Ross to Chi, PHX sends Tucker to CHI.

Kieff, Tucker, Cavs 1 for Gasol, Caboclo (old and young)
Ross, Noguiera, Caboclo for Kieff, Barstow
Pau, Bairstow for Tucker, Ross, Nogueira, Cavs #1

That was the deal. CHI gets more athletic and deeper at their biggest position of weakness while pulling from their deepest position to pay for it and stockpiling prospects for the future. TOR trades prospects for better shooting/ scoring on the front line. PHX gets a vet that meets a need on multiple levels and is content with the strength of the remaining youth on the bench.

So we trade two starters for one old? I'm still not sure why so many want to get rid of one of our best defenders for scraps. And we include a pick?

I'm glad our FO isn't entertaining this.

Come in now, be sensible about this. I'm glad the FO isn't entertaining your posts either......

You have to pay to play. We also save $4 mil/ yr. giving us additional flexibility and we get Bruno Caboclo, a nice young prospect that will grow with the core.

You are way too focused on age in your analysis, and not focused enough on winning, or building a winning culture, in my opinion. Kieff is best as a sixth man on a good team. He would be a very good sixth man, so yes I would entertain trading him and Tucker along with a late 1st to grab a championship proven older veteran starter, knowing we have additional other young players that are growing and can learn from the good vets...especially when said vets are on a good deal for two years.

AtheJ415 · Post #886 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:30 pm

SideSwipe wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:In the Gasol trade scenarios Kieff doesn't go to CHI, he goes to TOR, who sends Nogueira (replacement big) and Ross to Chi, PHX sends Tucker to CHI.

Kieff, Tucker, Cavs 1 for Gasol, Caboclo (old and young)
Ross, Noguiera, Caboclo for Kieff, Barstow
Pau, Bairstow for Tucker, Ross, Nogueira, Cavs #1

That was the deal. CHI gets more athletic and deeper at their biggest position of weakness while pulling from their deepest position to pay for it and stockpiling prospects for the future. TOR trades prospects for better shooting/ scoring on the front line. PHX gets a vet that meets a need on multiple levels and is content with the strength of the remaining youth on the bench.

So we trade two starters for one old? I'm still not sure why so many want to get rid of one of our best defenders for scraps. And we include a pick?

I'm glad our FO isn't entertaining this.

Come in now, be sensible about this. I'm glad the FO isn't entertaining your posts either......

You have to pay to play. We also save $4 mil/ yr. giving us additional flexibility and we get Bruno Caboclo, a nice young prospect that will grow with the core.

You are way too focused on age in your analysis, and not focused enough on winning, or building a winning culture, in my opinion. Kieff is best as a sixth man on a good team. He would be a very good sixth man, so yes I would entertain trading him and Tucker along with a late 1st to grab a championship proven older veteran starter, knowing we have additional other young players that are growing and can learn from the good vets...especially when said vets are on a good deal for two years.

I like Caboclo but I too vomit at this trade.

AtheJ415 · Post #887 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:32 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Kieff+filler for DMo. Doubt Morey says yes but get 'er done

I doubt Morey would say no. DMO will get paid next offseason. Kieff's ridiclously good contract for a team like Houston is invaluable. Not to mention Kieff is every bit the player, he's just older, but unlike the guys our board loves he's not nearing retirement and a wheel chair.

Moochthemonkey · Post #888 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:40 pm

Keef's training in Detroit...

[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/5P19dVQA-d/[/instagram]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/MookMorris2/status/621370402477080577[/tweet]
[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/5K7YFFQAwF/[/instagram]

TeamTragic · Post #889 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:59 pm

Moochthemonkey wrote:Keef's training in Detroit...

[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/5P19dVQA-d/[/instagram]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/MookMorris2/status/621370402477080577[/tweet]
[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/5K7YFFQAwF/[/instagram]

Are working on a trade with Philly? Have we meet with Kieff yet? RAY RAY!!?!?!? :lol:

ShawnBronald · Post #890 » by **ShawnBronald** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:11 pm

Interesting, but let's not forget that Thomas Robinson used to work out in Phoenix since the Morris brothers played here. I'm guessing he's just training with his brother instead of in Phoenix. Of course it's partially because he hates Phoenix now, but I doubt we'll be trading him there. Suns not looking to do him any favors at this point anyway.

Frank Lee · Post #891 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:14 pm

PLUS its ballsHOT in Phnx

Who on the roster IS working out in Phoenix ? Is there a voluntary group there ?

RaisingArizona · Post #892 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:36 pm

Puff wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
Puff wrote:
I have been consistent in my belief that we need to move Markieff and still want that to happen. I think all the deals proposed are reasonable for both sides and I could see any of them happening.

I just what this to be settled sooner than later. I want players that want to be on the Phoneix Suns. I want them to arrive at training camp in shape, with great attitudes.

It just appears that Markieff does not want to be here and that we do not want him either.

Camp hasn't started yet. As far as I know, the offseason is just that-- time for the guys to relax, train and prepare for the upcoming season.

Do you really think Markieff is going to spend time at the Suns training facility this summer?

When you have a sighting, let us know. I will eat the appropriate crow.

I think a more logical place to find he and his brother is a jail cell.

My point is who cares where he is or what he's doing as long as he:

1) Stays out of trouble (so far so good)
2) Works on his game (evidence from the instagram photos, he's doing that)

Jarlaxle0204 · Post #893 » by **Jarlaxle0204** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:19 am

Moochthemonkey wrote:Keef's training in Detroit...

[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/5P19dVQA-d/[/instagram]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/MookMorris2/status/621370402477080577[/tweet]
[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/5K7YFFQAwF/[/instagram]

I love how Marcus has the exact same expression in both pics. It's like he's a wax figure. :lol:

NaturalBuns · Post #894 » by **NaturalBuns** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:23 am

Markieff and Marcus both have great worth ethics. Markieff numbers have gone up yearly. Why trade him? He's a solid PF still growing.

Puff · Post #895 » by **Puff** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:24 am

RunDogGun wrote:
Puff wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
Camp hasn't started yet. As far as I know, the offseason is just that-- time for the guys to relax, train and prepare for the upcoming season.

Do you really think Markieff is going to spend time at the Suns training facility this summer?

When you have a sighting, let us know. I will eat the appropriate crow.

I think a more logical place to find he and his brother is a jail cell.

So either way he will have to be in AZ, right? :D Most likely he is spending time with his brother, any other assumptions are just that. He hasn't said anything publicly about not reporting, or even a hint that he won't show.

As I remember, last summer Marcus and Markieff were regulars at the training facility and came into camp in what appeared to be great shape. I was firmly on their bandwagon when many others were negative about them. I saw them becoming the leaders of this team going forward. I actually liked their game. I thought Babby had finally done something right by signing them to a long term deal. Then the season of technicals, yelling at the coach and calling out the fans while they assaulted some guy for some reason.

Just go away

Frank Lee · Post #896 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:25 am

Are working on a trade with Philly? Have we meet with Kieff yet? RAY RAY!!?!?!?

Sheed is from Philly = Philly Legend

Moochthemonkey · Post #897 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:35 am

Jarlaxle0204 wrote:
Moochthemonkey wrote:Keef's training in Detroit...

[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/5P19dVQA-d/[/instagram]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/MookMorris2/status/621370402477080577[/tweet]
[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/5K7YFFQAwF/[/instagram]

I love how Marcus has the exact same expression in both pics. It's like he's a wax figure.

third pic

Keef: Okay, we are off the air now. What were we talking about again?
Sheed: You mean to tell me your human genome project has a higher career high in points than you?
Marcus: Recharging...currently at 85%

would explain their inconsistency

bhawk · Post #898 » by **bhawk** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:42 am

Read in some blog today that there is tension between Horny and Markieff? It wouldn't surprise me in the least... No love lost between him and the organization right now...

I guess one could say that they made their twin bed...

RaisingArizona · Post #899 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:56 am

Puff wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
Puff wrote:
Do you really think Markieff is going to spend time at the Suns training facility this summer?

When you have a sighting, let us know. I will eat the appropriate crow.

I think a more logical place to find he and his brother is a jail cell.

So either way he will have to be in AZ, right? Most likely he is spending time with his brother, any other assumptions are just that. He hasn't said anything publicly about not reporting, or even a hint that he won't show.

As I remember, last summer Marcus and Markieff were regulars at the training facility and came into camp in what appeared to be great shape. I was firmly on their bandwagon when many others were negative about them. I saw them becoming the leaders of this team going forward. I actually liked their game. I thought Babby had finally done something right by signing them to a long term deal. Then the season of technicals, yelling at the coach and calling out the fans while they assaulted some guy for some reason.

Just go away

Markieff didn't yell at Jeff, btw. Also, he only had 1 more technical than Tyson Chandler did last year. The off the court thing could be bad but it'll be handled in court.

RaisingArizona · Post #900 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:57 am

bhawk wrote:Read in some blog today that there is tension between Horny and Markieff? It wouldn't surprise me in the least... No love lost between him and the organization right now...

I guess one could say that they made their twin bed...

Sounds legit :nonono: