Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread

[spaceballer]

Candid 1 on 1 interview between JLin and QQ Sports in Chinese, with English translations in the article:

http://www.jlinportal.com/candid-interview-jeremy-lin/

Some interesting bits of info. At the end of last season, Clifford went to management and told them he wanted 2 players. One was Lin, and the other was a player that they failed to get (any guess as to who?).

I'm pretty sure the English fan translation of the interview is incomplete, though. I don't speak Mandarin, but I hear the words "Jeremy Lamb" and "Frank" (the tank?) in the audio of the youtube clip, even though the English text translation leaves them out.

[Braggins]

Lin is not a superstar but he really isn't typical bench material either. He was a 6th man that usually closed games including all playoff games for Rockets once he went to bench. Plus given how effective Lin has always been playing with other PGs, and given that Batum's natural position is SF, Lin getting 28+ minutes on this roster is not unrealistic.

We'll see how he plays - but I think he might surprise some of you who have not seem him play a lot. He makes getting into the paint look shockingly easy because of his quick first step, his quickness on the court has been measured as on the John Wall level, and he finishes at the rim at an elite rate. And he is very effective off of PnRs.

What is important to Lin's play is how much a team emphasizes team ball. Lin is very much a team player - just his nature . He will play team ball even if no one else on the floor seemingly has any interest in playing that with him. (See last year's Lakers). My startin impression is that Kemba and MKG will be good team players. Batum too. Don't have enough information to judge the others but am guessing they will follow lead.

And before people get too fired up about Lin/Kemba wars, My prediction is that Lin will be good for Kembas game, and that they will get along well

Its still hard for any bench player, even if they are good, to get 30 or more minutes a game. 28 is a lot for a 6th man. Very few bench players get more minutes for that. If you want him to get regular starter minutes he would basically have to get all of the backup minutes at PG and SG. I just don't think that is a realistic expectation for him even if he is clearly our best bench player. He isn't as good as the very few bench guys that play as much as some people seem to expect him to. If he outplays Kemba and takes the starting job its a different story, but as a 6th man I wouldn't expect him to get more than 28mpg here.

I'm saying nothing bad against Lin. I think he is a good 6th man and will likely be our best player coming off the bench, but I kind of get the vibe that a few of the ultra Lin fans automatically expect him to either start or get treated like hes prime Manu if he comes off the bench.

Batum is going to play quite some SF, so there will be more backup SG minutes than you imagine.

I still doubt we will want to use a dual PG lineup for more than 12-14 minutes a game. Two PG lineups haven't worked too well for us. We really need length on the wing to make up for weak interior defense (aka Al). Lamb will likely get a decent amount of the backup SG minutes. If the other SG options suck it up so bad or Kemba/Lin lineups work so well that Lin gets most of the backup SG minutes then he could maybe get 30ish but I dont think its all that likely.

[yosemiteben]

One was Lin, and the other was a player that they failed to get (any guess as to who?).

Belinelli is the only one we heard about us wanting that we didn't get. He was our midnight call on 7/1.

If not him, not sure who it could've been.

[Braggins]

I hope it wasn't Bellinelli, but who knows. I would want my coach aiming a little higher than that when pleading to management for specific players. At least Lin is good.

[yosemiteben]

I hope it wasn't Bellinelli, but who knows. I would want my coach aiming a little higher than that when pleading to management for specific players. At least Lin is good.

We only had the MLE. We couldn't exactly aim for Wes Matthews or Danny Green.

Who would you have targeted that was landed for anywhere close to the MLE? Hell Belinelli winded up getting more than that (probably why he turned us down).

[HornetJail]

Batum is going to play quite some SF, so there will be more backup SG minutes than you imagine.

So basically you think Lin is going to eat into MKG's minutes?

Batum is used to playing a lot of minutes, more than MKG, so I expect MKG plays 30-32 minutes, Batum could play up to 36. So, if MKG gets 30 minutes at small forward, then Batum could get 18 at SG, and 18 at SF, and then 30 minutes at SG get split between Lamb and Lin. Lin will play 12 minutes behind Kemba at PG, and probably another 10 at SG, leaving 20mpg for Lamb.

[Mystical Apples]

I hope it wasn't Bellinelli, but who knows. I would want my coach aiming a little higher than that when pleading to management for specific players. At least Lin is good.

Interesting you mention Belinelli - I just posted something on the "Depth Chart" thread about passing. Not only is he a good shooter, but also far above average in passing. He would've been a great get

[sogood]

Next, Lin was traded to the Lakers. It all started off the same way with Mitch Kupchak saying he has been after Lin for 3 years and Byron Scott claiming to be a huge J Lin fan.

Once the season started, Lin was who he is. An efficient point guard putting up 50-40-90 percentages while Kobe was putting up under 30%. This got Kobe jealous of Lin and also that Lin was the main guy on the team and the same marginalization started. Kobe along with BScott who is just a Kobe worshipper began the process to eliminate and reduce Lin because he was outshining Kobe and producing well to the point people were questioning if this is Lin's team and he should take the last shot. They benched Lin for a career scrub Ronnie Price who Scott labeled head of the snake while Kobe went on to call Lin a coward, a p***y as well as other heinous names. The marginalization did not stop there. Lakers commentators Stu Lantz got in as well exaggerating every Lin turnover and missed shot while giving no credit to his play. Meanwhile the agenda was on full pace to do whatever it takes to get Kobe to beat MJ in scoring.

Things got worse from there. Once Price got injured, inferior rookie Clarkson was promoted to start ahead of the superior Lin. SO now was Lin not only backing up Price but also Clarkson. he would get 1 minute at the end fo each quarter and when he was hot, Scott used to yank him out.

I can go on and on but I am finally happy that Lin has chosen Hornets and Bobcats seem receptive of him.

SOrry for the two long stories but it had to be put out there.

Lmao.

Good luck Charlotte fans. Expect more of these kind of nonsense. These LOF are relentless.

[Braggins]

I hope it wasn't Bellinelli, but who knows. I would want my coach aiming a little higher than that when pleading to management for specific players. At least Lin is good.

We only had the MLE. We couldn't exactly aim for Wes Matthews or Danny Green.

Who would you have targeted that was landed for anywhere close to the MLE? Hell Belinelli winded up getting more than that (probably why he turned us down).

I assumed they were talking about before Al and Hendo opted in since they said it happened after the season ended and we could also get players via trade. If he was specifically talking about who he wanted in the circumstances that we ended up in during FA then it makes sense. However, if after the season he just came to the conclusion that Belinelli is someone we should generally prioritize then I honestly don't even know what to say. In any case I don't think Belinelli would have been a good signing and I'm glad that didn't happen. We don't need any more rotation players who can't defend anyone.

[Braggins]

I hope it wasn't Bellinelli, but who knows. I would want my coach aiming a little higher than that when pleading to management for specific players. At least Lin is good.

Interesting you mention Belinelli - I just posted something on the "Depth Chart" thread about passing. Not only is he a good shooter, but also far above average in passing. He would've been a great get

Hes erratic and can't defend. He works in a good structured offensive system like San Antonio but he would end up looking like a run of the mill end of bench chucker here. He would also probably make our extremely suspect second unit defense even more suspect.

[spaceballer]

I hope it wasn't Bellinelli, but who knows. I would want my coach aiming a little higher than that when pleading to management for specific players. At least Lin is good.

We only had the MLE. We couldn't exactly aim for Wes Matthews or Danny Green.

Who would you have targeted that was landed for anywhere close to the MLE? Hell Belinelli winded up getting more than that (probably why he turned us down).

I assumed they were talking about before Al and Hendo opted in since they said it happened after the season ended and we could also get players via trade. If he was specifically talking about who he wanted in the circumstances that we ended up in during FA then it makes sense. However, if after the season he just came to the conclusion that Belinelli is someone we should generally prioritize then I honestly don't even know what to say. In any case I don't think Belinelli would have been a good signing and I'm glad that didn't happen. We don't need any more rotation players who can't defend anyone.

It sounded like the two targets Cliff had in mind were because he wanted to play faster and more PnR's. So whoever the other target was, it would have to fit under those circumstances.

[spaceballer]

Next, Lin was traded to the Lakers. It all started off the same way with Mitch Kupchak saying he has been after Lin for 3 years and Byron Scott claiming to be a huge J Lin fan.

Once the season started, Lin was who he is. An efficient point guard putting up 50-40-90 percentages while Kobe was putting up under 30%. This got Kobe jealous of Lin and also that Lin was the main guy on the team and the same marginalization started. Kobe along with BScott who is just a Kobe worshipper began the process to eliminate and reduce Lin because he was outshining Kobe and producing well to the point people were questioning if this is Lin's team and he should take the last shot. They benched Lin for a career scrub Ronnie Price who Scott labeled head of the snake while Kobe went on to call Lin a coward, a p***y as well as other heinous names. The marginalization did not stop there. Lakers commentators Stu Lantz got in as well exaggerating every Lin turnover and missed shot while giving no credit to his play. Meanwhile the agenda was on full pace to do whatever it takes to get Kobe to beat MJ in scoring.

Things got worse from there. Once Price got injured, inferior rookie Clarkson was promoted to start ahead of the superior Lin. SO now was Lin not only backing up Price but also Clarkson. he would get 1 minute at the end fo each quarter and when he was hot, Scott used to yank him out.

I can go on and on but I am finally happy that Lin has chosen Hornets and Bobcats seem receptive of him.

SOrry for the two long stories but it had to be put out there.

Lmao.

Good luck Charlotte fans. Expect more of these kind of nonsense. These LOF are relentless.

There are 890 posts in this thread. And only a single person has said that Kobe was jealous of Lin. Exactly zero people, including zero other Lin fans in this thread, have agreed with him so far.

If anything, I'd say the haters are more relentless.

[yosemiteben]

Whatevs, I think Belinelli would have been fine and would have given valuable depth at the wing spot, but we didn't land him and we don't know if that's who they were originally targeting anyway.

[Mystical Apples]

I hope it wasn't Bellinelli, but who knows. I would want my coach aiming a little higher than that when pleading to management for specific players. At least Lin is good.

Interesting you mention Belinelli - I just posted something on the "Depth Chart" thread about passing. Not only is he a good shooter, but also far above average in passing. He would've been a great get

Hes erratic and can't defend. He works in a good structured offensive system like San Antonio but he would end up looking like a run of the mill end of bench chucker here. He would also probably make our extremely suspect second unit defense even more suspect.

Not sure where you get erratic - his career 3fg% is over 39% with a season low of 36%. His worst season is better than league average.

[spaceballer]

I also find it interesting that Clifford said he'll be going to Cali to watch Lin work out. Does he usually do that with other players on the team during the off-season? Some coaches are more hands on that others, I suppose.

[TinmanZBoy]

Candid 1 on 1 interview between JLin and QQ Sports in Chinese, with English translations in the article:

http://www.jlinportal.com/candid-interview-jeremy-lin/

Some interesting bits of info. At the end of last season, Clifford went to management and told them he wanted 2 players. One was Lin, and the other was a player that they failed to get (any guess as to who?).

I'm pretty sure the English fan translation of the interview is incomplete, though. I don't speak Mandarin, but I hear the words "Jeremy Lamb" and "Frank" (the tank?) in the audio of the youtube clip, even though the English text translation leaves them out.

the translation is pretty accurate, although it is not word to word, sentence to sentence translation.... the part about Jeremy lamb and Frank etc. is Lin thinks the team added good 3 points shooters, that will create more space to operate pick and roll...therefore, the difference between last season and this coming season

[tonman]

Next, Lin was traded to the Lakers. It all started off the same way with Mitch Kupchak saying he has been after Lin for 3 years and Byron Scott claiming to be a huge J Lin fan.

Once the season started, Lin was who he is. An efficient point guard putting up 50-40-90 percentages while Kobe was putting up under 30%. This got Kobe jealous of Lin and also that Lin was the main guy on the team and the same marginalization started. Kobe along with BScott who is just a Kobe worshipper began the process to eliminate and reduce Lin because he was outshining Kobe and producing well to the point people were questioning if this is Lin's team and he should take the last shot. They benched Lin for a career scrub Ronnie Price who Scott labeled head of the snake while Kobe went on to call Lin a coward, a p***y as well as other heinous names. The marginalization did not stop there. Lakers commentators Stu Lantz got in as well exaggerating every Lin turnover and missed shot while giving no credit to his play. Meanwhile the agenda was on full pace to do whatever it takes to get Kobe to beat MJ in scoring.

Things got worse from there. Once Price got injured, inferior rookie Clarkson was promoted to start ahead of the superior Lin. SO now was Lin not only backing up Price but also Clarkson. he would get 1 minute at the end fo each quarter and when he was hot, Scott used to yank him out.

I can go on and on but I am finally happy that Lin has chosen Hornets and Bobcats seem receptive of him.

SOrry for the two long stories but it had to be put out there.

Lmao.

Good luck Charlotte fans. Expect more of these kind of nonsense. These LOF are relentless.

he went a bit overboard but if you did not see how Kobe played like crap last season, you have some seriously tinted glasses. for example, the Lakers for the season averages 85.6 fga per game. Kobe shot 20.4 fga per game. that's 23.8% of all shots per game. for that the Lakers got 22.3 ppg from Kobe. then you will say Kobe facilitates since he averages 5.6 apg. but of course you ignore the 3.7 turnovers per game. and of course Lin turns the ball over too much right? so it was Kobe's team, and the team played like crap. you going to do what's right and put the onus on Kobe?

as for Clarkson, he's not inferior. he's also not superior. since 1/23 last season, he only played less than 27 min 3 times. funny how not getting yanked helps improve performance.

[tonman]

Batum is going to play quite some SF, so there will be more backup SG minutes than you imagine.

So basically you think Lin is going to eat into MKG's minutes?

Batum is used to playing a lot of minutes, more than MKG, so I expect MKG plays 30-32 minutes, Batum could play up to 36. So, if MKG gets 30 minutes at small forward, then Batum could get 18 at SG, and 18 at SF, and then 30 minutes at SG get split between Lamb and Lin. Lin will play 12 minutes behind Kemba at PG, and probably another 10 at SG, leaving 20mpg for Lamb.

Lin is not going to play only 22 mpg. You automatically gave Lamb 20 mpg but his career average is 15.7 mpg. if this team plays 10 deep, expect players to play 30-32 mpg tops. otherwise, you have gain nothing. unless you believe that your 2nd team which will only play 15-18 mpg will put you way over the top for a 33-49 team.

[TinmanZBoy]

speculating Lin's minutes is waste of time for now, and arguing about that is ridiculous... it will be a long season, let the team play out... it is not even pre-season yet, nobody has seen anything of how this team plays

[tonman]

speculating Lin's minutes is waste of time for now, and arguing about that is ridiculous... it will be a long season, let the team play out... it is not even pre-season yet, nobody has seen anything of how this team plays

I would generally agree with you except it's still basketball talk. now if we can take the "minutes" discussion and delve into WHY people suggest such minutes spread, that gets more informative and can be fun in debating. it's not what is being discussed, it's to what level we should discuss the topics.