Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[Scutt]

So we trade two starters for one old? I'm still not sure why so many want to get rid of one of our best defenders for scraps. And we include a pick?

I'm glad our FO isn't entertaining this.

Maybe it is because he had a super extreme DUI last off-season, and followed that up by missing the team bus twice this year? That is not exactly the type of veteran presence you want to have around a group of young guys. Furthermore, fans are excited to see Warren and Booker get a chance, so moving PJ and sliding Weems to the SF spot, would give those two more of an opportunity.

As far as the proposed trade goes though, I do not want Gasol on this team, and I certainly wouldn't want them to give up a pick to help make it happen.

[LukasBMW]

Keef hasn't tweeted since his brother got traded.

Let's see what type of attitude he had heading into camp.

[King4Day]

People can't automatically assume that Ibaka would have been our choice if we kept that pick or never traded Thomas

[RunDogGun]

People can't automatically assume that Ibaka would have been our choice if we kept that pick or never traded Thomas

He wasn't our choice at fifteen, we took Sideshow Bob. True that he might not have been our choice at 24 if we had kept the pick, but another defensive big next to Amare would have been nice.

But man we could have drafted Ibaka at 15, and then either Batum or Jordan at 24. And still made our trade to get Dragic.

[Frank Lee]

But people can automatically assume we'd been better off not trading KT.

We could have drafted Abbott and Costello at 15 and 24 and been better with KT for his remaining yrs.

[MrTwister]

ICYMI

[tweet]https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/626101221078646784[/tweet]

[NTB]

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/7/28/9047545/phoenix-suns-roster-eric-bledsoe-brandon-knight?_ga=1.150288950.1254166787.1412429746

Must read IMO.

[saintEscaton]

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/7/28/9047545/phoenix-suns-roster-eric-bledsoe-brandon-knight?_ga=1.150288950.1254166787.1412429746

Must read IMO.

A nice refreshing sip of koolaid in the middle of a scorching summer

[Frank Lee]

'Sip' ?



That read like a promo press release

[saintEscaton]

Jeezus. When its all said and done MJ might add on to his legacy by cementing his place as one of the worst owners in NBA history. A terrible draft record with a penchant for Tarheel nepotism because his talent evaluation amounts to just watching March Madness. Trading a promising young big like Vonleh for what looks to be a one year rental in Batum was not a well advised move. He basically saved Ainge from running the Celts into the ground by rejecting his ridiculous overkill of an offer even for a stud to be in Winslow (4 freakin' first round picks including an unprotected future Brooklyn pick choosing Frank the Tank who looks to be a Olynk clone over that haul.). Even with all that ammo it isn't apparently enough to trade up in to the Top 10 proving that "asset collecting" isn't any more of a surefire bet in comparison to taking your chances with the pinballs. Hope McDuh isn't really his protege and doesn't follow in his footsteps because it seem that Ainge is a glorified street peddler who only excels in fleecing willing suckers in onsesided deals and lacks a holistic approach to rebuilding or construct a roster that isn't merely an incompatible conglomerate of moving parts

[Frank Lee]

MJ is in a win now boat. Charlotte hasn't won a play off game in 11 yrs. (2 appearances) They desperately need to make a showing. Talk about a treadMill ??? sheesh. I wouldn't worry about what any would-be FA says. There is far too much talk about what a player will do beyond his current contract, from both sides.

IMO, Late first round picks don't mean much with the one and done draft pollution going on. Even unprotected ones are subject to risk. Just like with Dragic.... 2 picks sure sound good.... but when they are 3-4 yrs out, it is hardly an asset of relevance for the current roster. May be they come in handy to trade for someone, but you might as well be buying air today for a tire tomorrow.

[aIvin adams]

MJ is in a win now boat. Charlotte hasn't won a play off game in 11 yrs. (2 appearances) They desperately need to make a showing. Talk about a treadMill ??? sheesh. I wouldn't worry about what any would-be FA says. There is far too much talk about what a player will do beyond his current contract, from both sides.

IMO, Late first round picks don't mean much with the one and done draft pollution going on. Even unprotected ones are subject to risk. Just like with Dragic.... 2 picks sure sound good.... but when they are 3-4 yrs out, it is hardly an asset of relevance for the current roster. May be they come in handy to trade for someone, but you might as well be buying air today for a tire tomorrow.

that metaphor is awesome but, if i understand it correctly, i'm not sure it applies to the 2 first rounders from the dragic trade. the value of those picks might be reduced in the sense that their 'present value' is less than their 'future value.' but whatever their 'present value' is, it's substantially more than zero. substantially..

also think the article is accurate that the suns FO's moves point toward improving the team's shooting, altho the article overstates what the FO accomplished IMO. acquiring tyson chandler definitely helps. teletovic maybe helps. i dunno about Booker but it's possible he helps.

[saintEscaton]

MJ is in a win now boat. Charlotte hasn't won a play off game in 11 yrs. (2 appearances) They desperately need to make a showing. Talk about a treadMill ??? sheesh. I wouldn't worry about what any would-be FA says. There is far too much talk about what a player will do beyond his current contract, from both sides.

IMO, Late first round picks don't mean much with the one and done draft pollution going on. Even unprotected ones are subject to risk. Just like with Dragic.... 2 picks sure sound good.... but when they are 3-4 yrs out, it is hardly an asset of relevance for the current roster. May be they come in handy to trade for someone, but you might as well be buying air today for a tire tomorrow.

that metaphor is awesome but, if i understand it correctly, i'm not sure it applies to the 2 first rounders from the dragic trade. the value of those picks might be reduced in the sense that their 'present value' is less than their 'future value.' but whatever their 'present value' is, it's substantially more than zero. substantially..

also think the article is accurate that the suns FO's moves point toward improving the team's shooting, altho the article overstates what the FO accomplished IMO. acquiring tyson chandler definitely helps. teletovic maybe helps. i dunno about Booker but it's possible he helps.

Ainge was on the right track until he made the unecessary deal for IT which basically guarantees the Cs at least an eight seed for the foreseeable future( In the East simply trying is more than enough for a postseason birth). But things might work out for Beantown since they essentially just outsourced the tank to Brooklyn. Ainge waited too long to sell low on a declining Rondo well past his expiration date and had to settle for trinkets after realizing he wasn't a franchise centerpiece. He never had a longterm plan after the Big 3 era but he did take the Nets to the cleaners with the Pierce/KG blockbluster deal and received two prized picks in return to add to his warchest.(The right to swap 2017 firsts and their unprotected 2018 first basically nets them two highly probable top 5 picks). They are undeniably better than the assets we received for Dragic(2017 Heat pick will be a late lotto at best and 2021 is too far down the road to foretell especially since Riley could have some tricks up his sleeve to reload through free agency by then) and the Top 3 protected Laker pick that we gave away which will likely be conveyed in a historically weak 2016 class. Anyways keyword is consolidation but every prospect is suspect until proven otherwise and it is really just a high stakes game of swindling

[Moochthemonkey]

Jeezus. When its all said and done MJ might add on to his legacy by cementing his place as one of the worst owners in NBA history. A terrible draft record with a penchant for Tarheel nepotism because his talent evaluation amounts to just watching March Madness. Trading a promising young big like Vonleh for what looks to be a one year rental in Batum was not a well advised move. He basically saved Ainge from running the Celts into the ground by rejecting his ridiculous overkill of an offer even for a stud to be in Winslow (4 freakin' first round picks including an unprotected future Brooklyn pick choosing Frank the Tank who looks to be a Olynk clone over that haul.). Even with all that ammo it isn't apparently enough to trade up in to the Top 10 proving that "asset collecting" isn't any more of a surefire bet in comparison to taking your chances with the pinballs. Hope McDuh isn't really his protege and doesn't follow in his footsteps because it seem that Ainge is a glorified street peddler who only excels in fleecing willing suckers in onsesided deals and lacks a holistic approach to rebuilding

very poetic. I will pay you an AND1 for your services.

[Qwigglez]

Yeah, they wouldn't be fine with his offer though, that was the laugher. There's nothing coming back that's close to value of Ibaka. Its a bunch of nickels for a dollar.

...Yes I understand that, again IF they were okay with his offer, then they would be okay with the offer I mentioned as it is a better package.

[bondom34]

Yeah, they wouldn't be fine with his offer though, that was the laugher. There's nothing coming back that's close to value of Ibaka. Its a bunch of nickels for a dollar.

...Yes I understand that, again IF they were okay with his offer, then they would be okay with the offer I mentioned as it is a better package.

Ah sorry, I didn't even look tbh. There honestly isn't an offer that could be made that would work, so I didn't read after I read his attempt.

[Qwigglez]

Yeah, they wouldn't be fine with his offer though, that was the laugher. There's nothing coming back that's close to value of Ibaka. Its a bunch of nickels for a dollar.

...Yes I understand that, again IF they were okay with his offer, then they would be okay with the offer I mentioned as it is a better package.

Ah sorry, I didn't even look tbh. There honestly isn't an offer that could be made that would work, so I didn't read after I read his attempt.

No worries. I don't see anything working either as Ibaka fits your system perfectly and I believe Kieff is a pretty good fit in ours too.

[bondom34]

...Yes I understand that, again IF they were okay with his offer, then they would be okay with the offer I mentioned as it is a better package.

Ah sorry, I didn't even look tbh. There honestly isn't an offer that could be made that would work, so I didn't read after I read his attempt.

No worries. I don't see anything working either as Ibaka fits your system perfectly and I believe Kieff is a pretty good fit in ours too.

Pretty much, I was just dumbfounded at the offer . I'm hoping you guys make the playoffs this year, really pulling for you to do well w/ Chandler there to help.

[TeamTragic]

Kieff + Tucker + Goodwin and/or Bogdan + Suns 2016 1st rounder + Clev 2016 pick for Serge Ibaka


never ever going to happen, but that would be sick.

Bled/Price
Knight/Weems/Booker
Warren/Someone/Weems
Ibaka/Mirza
Chandler/Len

Maybe if Durant or Westbrook get injured again the Thunder just say **** it

What the ****? I think you deserve a suspension for that horrible trade proposal

For us? OKC wouldn't do it, and I would want some protection on that pick, but what makes it horrible for us? Serge does everything you want in a PF. Blocks shots and can hit the 3. He would probably be about the best target we could go after.

We are trading away Goodwin who hasn't even developed nor had consistent playing time. Then apparently if we want to keep Goodwin who is a throw in we can replace him with Bogdan who is apparently also trash.

Why not just trade away Warren and Booker? Who needs youth when we can get Serge **** Ibaka who this franchise could have drafted themselves years ago

[bwgood77]

We are trading away Goodwin who hasn't even developed nor had consistent playing time. Then apparently if we want to keep Goodwin who is a throw in we can replace him with Bogdan who is apparently also trash.

Why not just trade away Warren and Booker? Who needs youth when we can get Serge **** Ibaka who this franchise could have drafted themselves years ago

Ok, so Goodwin is the piece you couldn't part with for Ibaka. Got it.