Roy Hibbert's Taking Shots or No?

SmashMouthRod · Post #1 » by **SmashMouthRod** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:37 am

Hibbert made an awkward but interesting statement in a recent interview with David Aldridge. Thoughts?

RH: I'm just going to focus on the defense. I know I said it before, but it's important to realize I can possibly change the game. When I met with Mitch (Kupchak) and BScott, we came together and we talked about the expectations and what they wanted from me and how I could affect the game. We had a real good talk. I told them, I want to be like that (Andrew) Bogut-type guy, the defensive guy, because we have a lot of guys who can score already on this team. I'm at the point where I want to win a championship, and getting to play with Kobe, it's an amazing opportunity for me. I wanted to play with a shooting guard or a small forward like Paul (George), who was athletic and can take over games offensively. And I wanted to play for a coach who actually played in the league if I had my own choice. Not to say that Frank (Vogel) wasn't great. I had some real good times with Frank and we played well. But I told my agent that I possibly wanted to play for a coach that played in the league.

Aldridge: Why is that important to you?

RH: Just playing for BShaw (Brian Shaw, the Pacers' former associate head coach under Vogel), he went through the things that a player has gone through. He had a lot of real good insight to help myself, my game, with other guys on the court. Because he went through those things. And when you had two sets of four games in five nights, he was real with us. He would say, if I'm tired, you're tired. It's not a huge thing, but I'm really lucky to be in this position.

Post #2 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:47 am

Awkward and meandering comments after being dealt. Plus, Hibberts own oafish awkwardness. I wouldn't read too much into it. Just wait until he realizes that his "former player coach" is Byron Scott and he'll quickly yearn for the days of non player Frank Vogel.

JeffFosters · Post #3 » by **JeffFosters** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:15 am

Can't wait to see Roy get in Kobe's way all next season - or however many games KB actually plays.

As for the comments though, I interpret it as Roy needing a different voice at coach, which is fair enough. He was classy with his comments about Bird, so I wouldn't read too much in to his comments about Vogel.

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Moooose · Post #4 » by **Moooose** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:36 pm

I don't see anything wrong in it. I mean, I don't think it is really aimed towards taking a shot on Vogel. Just merely a statement of his preference. Maybe he wanted someone who knows how it feels like to be in the game, and someone who can make judgments because of a firsthand experience. Maybe someone that could understand what it feels like to bang bodies and how much physical effort there is in a real game. I have nothing against Roy and I really wish him well. Maybe a change of scenery is all he need.

chube · Post #5 » by **chube** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:34 pm

When I first saw the quote out of context, it sounded like a shot. But in context, when he was saying that he enjoyed his time with Vogel and still had nothing but good things to say about Larry and his teammates, I think he is truly grateful for his time in Indy.

While there is something to learn from former players-turned-coaches, it's obviously not the end all/be all - the likes of Gregg Popovich, Erik Spoelstra, Vogel, and the Van Gundy's have proven that you don't need pro playing experience to make a strong head coach.

Roy was kind of the scapegoat in a lot of ways (some fair, some unfair) and I hope he doesn't get booed when he comes to town next year.

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Post #6 » by **pacers33granger** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:36 am

chube wrote:Roy was kind of the scapegoat in a lot of ways (some fair, some unfair)

I think that's why he wants a player coach. Player coaches would tend to understand the criticism and how to deal with it a bit better I'd imagine. I'm sure Shaw helped him a ton with his confidence.

Post #7 » by **Miller4ever** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:00 am

Scoot always says what I want to say, just faster and better.

Moooose · Post #8 » by **Moooose** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:35 am

pacers33granger wrote:
chube wrote:Roy was kind of the scapegoat in a lot of ways (some fair, some unfair)

I think that's why he wants a player coach. Player coaches would tend to understand the criticism and how to deal with it a bit better I'd imagine. I'm sure Shaw helped him a ton with his confidence.

Very much how i understand it.

basketballwacko2 · Post #9 » by **basketballwacko2** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:38 am

I hope Roy does ok in LA but that's a messed up team. KB needs to retire, they're talking about playing him at PF!!! He'll get killed. It was kind of a shock how they couldn't attract any free agents. We'll see how they do next summer after KB retires.

Post #10 » by **boomershadow** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:36 pm

Could be an insight into how Brian Shaw's leaving the coaching staff affected Hibbert's confidence.

Post #11 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:45 pm

boomershadow wrote:Could be an insight into how Byron Scott's leaving the coaching staff affected Hibbert's confidence.

You mean Brian Shaw?

Post #12 » by **boomershadow** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:59 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
boomershadow wrote:Could be an insight into how Byron Scott's leaving the coaching staff affected Hibbert's confidence.

You mean Brian Shaw?

Boneman2 · Post #13 » by **Boneman2** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:08 pm

Moooose wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:
chube wrote:Roy was kind of the scapegoat in a lot of ways (some fair, some unfair)

I think that's why he wants a player coach. Player coaches would tend to understand the criticism and how to deal with it a bit better I'd imagine. I'm sure Shaw helped him a ton with his confidence.

Very much how i understand it.

He opened himself up to any and all forms of criticism after he proclaimed himself to be the finest Center in the league. The fact his statement was as bold as possible combined with the fact he played like crap was his downfall.

Similar to PG's statement about being the MVP this upcoming season, if he only averages 8 pts then he'll most certainly be the scapegoat.

Post #14 » by **Nuntius** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:34 pm

I don't see anything wrong with it either. It's clear that Brian Shaw had a big impact on this team. I believe that Frank and Brian were an amazing combination. Frank is an awesome coach all around but it was good for the players to have someone in the locker room that had been in their position before.

chube · Post #15 » by **chube** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:09 pm

Nuntius wrote:I don't see anything wrong with it either. It's clear that Brian Shaw had a big impact on this team. I believe that Frank and Brian were an amazing combination. Frank is an awesome coach all around but it was good for the players to have someone in the locker room that had been in their position before.

Makes you wonder a little bit if Nate McMillan had trouble relating to players?

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Post #16 » by **Nuntius** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:43 pm

chube wrote:
Nuntius wrote:I don't see anything wrong with it either. It's clear that Brian Shaw had a big impact on this team. I believe that Frank and Brian were an amazing combination. Frank is an awesome coach all around but it was good for the players to have someone in the locker room that had been in their position before.

Makes you wonder a little bit if Nate McMillan had trouble relating to players?

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I wouldn't say that this is the case. Missing the previous assistant coach doesn't mean that the new assistant coach isn't getting the job done. It simply means that the previous assistant coach had a special bond with the players. A bond that only an ex-player could have. I think that this is what Roy is talking about.

Post #17 » by **boomershadow** » Sat Aug 1, 2015 5:51 pm

Nuntius wrote:
chube wrote:
Nuntius wrote:I don't see anything wrong with it either. It's clear that Brian Shaw had a big impact on this team. I believe that Frank and Brian were an amazing combination. Frank is an awesome coach all around but it was good for the players to have someone in the locker room that had been in their position before.

Makes you wonder a little bit if Nate McMillan had trouble relating to players?

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I wouldn't say that this is the case. Missing the previous assistant coach doesn't mean that the new assistant coach isn't getting the job done. It simply means that the previous assistant coach had a special bond with the players. A bond that only an ex-player could have. I think that this is what Roy is talking about.

But Nate is an ex-player.

Post #18 » by **Nuntius** » Sat Aug 8, 2015 11:23 am

boomershadow wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
chube wrote:
Makes you wonder a little bit if Nate McMillan had trouble relating to players?

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I wouldn't say that this is the case. Missing the previous assistant coach doesn't mean that the new assistant coach isn't getting the job done. It simply means that the previous assistant coach had a special bond with the players. A bond that only an ex-player could have. I think that this is what Roy is talking about.

But Nate is an ex-player.

Ow. Well, I was completely oblivious to that fact. That's embarrassing :oops: