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Re: Fiers ( :( ) and Gomez to Houston 

Post#61 » by Ill-yasova » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:10 am

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old ball coach wrote:Santana free swinger with power


You don't walk 15% of the time if you're a free swinger. Guys like Segura and Gennett are free swingers. Santana is not.

He does swing and miss A TON. Only makes contact with 71% of the strikes he swings at which was second worst in AAA baseball. Same story the previous year.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-domingo-santana-experiment-comes-to-houston/

Well, Santana has a bit of a contact problem. Although you’d never know it from his .320 batting average, the 6-foot-5 slugger ran a 29% strikeout rate in Triple-A this year, matching his mark from the same level last year. Now, on its own, a 29% strikeout rate isn’t terrible. It certainly isn’t good, but in an era where Joey Gallo‘s flirting with a 40% strikeout rate, 29% doesn’t seem so bad.

However, a player’s strikeout rate isn’t always a perfect indicator of his contact ability. The two are certainly strongly correlated, but other factors, such as a player’s plate discipline, also play a role in determining how often a hitter strikes out. And using the data that’s available to us, it seems as though Santana’s strikeout rate doesn’t do justice to his swing-and-miss.

According to Minor League Central, Santana’s made contact on just 71.6% of his swings on pitches in the zone this year — the pitches that are theoretically the easiest to connect on. Santana’s clip is the second-lowest figure among qualified Triple-A hitters. Only Rymer Liriano has whiffed more often, and his mark edges out Santana’s by a mere 0.1 percentage points.

Last year? Same story. Santana’s 71.2% zone-contact rate was the third lowest in Triple-A, behind a couple of minor-league lifers — Matt Fields and Cody Decker. Keep in mind that publicly-available zone data for minor leaguers isn’t super-reliable, but Santana’s ranked at the very bottom of these lists two years in a row. It’s probably safe to conclude that he’s pretty bad at making contact.

Some research I did a few weeks ago suggests that this might pose a serious problem for Santana as he transitions to the big leagues. I found that hitters who swing and miss on pitches in the zone in Triple-A have rougher-than-normal transitions to the big leagues, on average....

Kiley McDaniel placed Santana in the 143-200 section of his top 200 list last winter. In his write up of the Astros organization, Kiley noted that, even after talking to several scouts, he still wasn’t sure what to make of him.

Santana is an enigma that every scout I talked to ended their report with some version of: “I saw him enough to have a strong opinion, but I still don’t have one.”

After poring through the data, I share the same sentiment. His traditional stat line suggests he could have a pretty bright future ahead of him, but his inability to make contact threatens to render him a Quad-A slugger or platoon bat. We’ll see if Santana sticks around once Rasmus rejoins the Astros. But even if he is optioned to Triple-A, he’ll almost certainly be back in majors at some point this season. Regardless of how things shake out, Santana should be fun to watch. He represents yet another young, exciting player on a team that’s already chock full of with young, exciting players.
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Re: Fiers :( and Gomez to Houston 

Post#62 » by BUCKnation » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:11 am

He just isn't a contact hitter. His OBP and walk rate are consistently very good.

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Re: Fiers :( and Gomez to Houston 

Post#63 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:19 am

John Sickles loves it for Milwaukee, but he forgot about the other guy Milwaukee gave up:

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I think the Astros vastly overpaid for Carlos Gomez. I do think Gomez is a good ballplayer. But with his hip injury, he is no longer a stolen base threat and his defense will likely take a tick downward. Phillips was a guy I was really excited about in the ‘Stros farm system. He plays hard, loves the game, and is one of the better-looking outfield prospects in baseball right now. Santana’s power makes him a rare commodity and Hader could be a quality innings-eater for the Brewers. Houston seemed to be paying for the Gomez of 2014, when he hit .284/.338/.506 and stole 40 bags. I’m not so sure we will ever see that level of performance from Carlos again. This is a huge win for the Brewers.
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Re: Fiers :( and Gomez to Houston 

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Post#65 » by LittleRooster » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:25 am

“@Ken_Rosenthal: Regarding #Orioles, Parra: Doubtful that offer of Davies would be enough. #Brewers setting high price on Parra; top 10 in NL in BA, SLG.”
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Re: Fiers :( and Gomez to Houston 

Post#66 » by Dcebucks11 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:29 am

I was gonna say, Davies seems more like a guy Lind would fetch.. I think we'dd need more for Parra even tho he's a rental
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Re: Fiers ( :( ) and Gomez to Houston 

Post#67 » by trwi7 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:32 am

Ill-yasova wrote:He does swing and miss A TON. Only makes contact with 71% of the strikes he swings at which was second worst in AAA baseball.


Which still doesn't make him a free swinger, so thanks for pointing that out I guess.
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Post#68 » by DanoMac » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:39 am

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Re: Fiers :( and Gomez to Houston 

Post#69 » by Flap Jackson » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:42 am

Mr. E wrote:
Flap Jackson wrote:Entertaining post.

You're talking about Brett Maverick Phillips right? His numbers look nice the past two seasons.


He'll be ready to contribute very soon from what I've read and heard.


I was a fan of Gomez. He makes boneheaded plays and he was junk for a few years following the JJ Hardy deal, but he grew into an electric player.

I am now pulling for Houston. Plus, I've been a huge Altuve fan for a few years now.
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Re: Fiers :( and Gomez to Houston 

Post#70 » by Flap Jackson » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:53 am

Lets offer Sardinas and Knebel for Yovanni.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25255086/gallardo-market-cubs-blue-jays-dodgers-yankees-and-dodgers

Still don't get that deal, and it appears we pulled the trigger too early.
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Post#71 » by mlloyd10 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:54 am

LittleRooster wrote:“@Ken_Rosenthal: Regarding #Orioles, Parra: Doubtful that offer of Davies would be enough. #Brewers setting high price on Parra; top 10 in NL in BA, SLG.”


Walker and Davies please
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Re: Fiers :( and Gomez to Houston 

Post#72 » by trwi7 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:04 am

Segura has two first pitch outs tonight but he makes contact and never walks so he's not a free swinger.
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Fiers :( and Gomez to Houston 

Post#73 » by Iheartfootball » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:07 am

Totally rooting for the Stro's now. I'm going to miss Gomey.


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Re: Fiers :( and Gomez to Houston 

Post#74 » by Turk Nowitzki » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:10 am

Keith Law just panned the return we got on Baseball Tonight. Said Philips will be an impact guy(threw out Brett Gardner as a comparison) and doesn't expect much from any of the other guys, was surprised we didn't do better.

Not sure how much value his opinion holds but thought it was interesting.
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Re: Fiers :( and Gomez to Houston 

Post#75 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:12 am

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Keith Law just panned the return we got on Baseball Tonight. Said Philips will be an impact guy and doesn't expect much from any of the other guys, was surprised we didn't do better.

Not sure how much value his opinion holds but thought it was interesting.


Huh. His opinion probably holds as much weight as the guys who love the deal for Milwaukee, so it is interesting.
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Post#76 » by H2tObes » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:13 am

I loved watching Gomez, but I'm really happy to see the Brewers make a non-Brewers trade
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Re: Fiers ( :( ) and Gomez to Houston 

Post#77 » by El Duderino » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:35 am

coolhandluke121 wrote:I wondered why we weren't hearing more about package deals. The Brewers have so much to offer in trades and most buyers theoretically should be interested in more than just one of our guys. I like how this went down. I think we should be offering Segura and Parra to the Mets to see if that will seal a good deal. There's a threshold effect involved in convincing buyers to part with really good prospects and the Brewers should be able to hit that threshold. Still wonder if using Ramirez as a sweetener would have been smarter than trading him for basically nothing.


After the Mets lied about Carlos to cover for their financial demands, i really doubt that the Brewers will be working with them anytime soon.
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Re: Fiers ( :( ) and Gomez to Houston 

Post#78 » by Flap Jackson » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:41 am

El Duderino wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:I wondered why we weren't hearing more about package deals. The Brewers have so much to offer in trades and most buyers theoretically should be interested in more than just one of our guys. I like how this went down. I think we should be offering Segura and Parra to the Mets to see if that will seal a good deal. There's a threshold effect involved in convincing buyers to part with really good prospects and the Brewers should be able to hit that threshold. Still wonder if using Ramirez as a sweetener would have been smarter than trading him for basically nothing.


After the Mets lied about Carlos to cover for their financial demands, i really doubt that the Brewers will be working with them anytime soon.


Indirectly that might have worked in the Brewers favor as the Astros were going after Gomez for a while. It might be that the thought they didn't get him made them want him even more and caused them to offer more.
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Post#79 » by Siefer » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:47 am

Love this trade for Milwaukee. Hope we keep stocking up.
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Re: Fiers :( and Gomez to Houston 

Post#80 » by humanrefutation » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:05 am

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Turk Nowitzki wrote:Keith Law just panned the return we got on Baseball Tonight. Said Philips will be an impact guy and doesn't expect much from any of the other guys, was surprised we didn't do better.

Not sure how much value his opinion holds but thought it was interesting.


Huh. His opinion probably holds as much weight as the guys who love the deal for Milwaukee, so it is interesting.

Yeah, this made me cringe a little bit.

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