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Post#61 » by Lakers415 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:36 pm

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Madrid already have a ton of firepower that is being negated so ronaldo can get his stats.

guys like bale, james, isco and benzema each have high goalscoring ability. There a reason why cr7 sucks ass on portugal and only scored like 3 goals in his world cup history (1 on north korea, pk against iran and the third on a tap in this summer)

Ronaldo needs madrid more than madrid needs ronaldo.


If Ronaldo sucks for Portugal.
Messi is even worse for Argentina. And Messi has better players around him in the national team.

Would be funny to see this Real Madrid without Ronaldo.

I bet +20 points behind Barça.


Easy

Benzema
Bale-James-Isco
modric-kroos
marcelo-ramos-pique-danilo

benzema and bale would score more and the team would function better as a team, not as ronaldo fc. Which is essentially why real keeps losing la liga.

The 3 most important players for madrid are modric, james and benzema. Ronaldo, is like a luxury player the same way I viewed Mata at chelsea.

Remember this...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QMTnnBUnqM[/youtube]

Guess who wasn't playing that game.

Bale is faster, better stamina and can actually pass. Ronaldo has 1 thing over bale and that's his aerial ability, which is probably the best in the world since falcao sucks now. Anything else, I would rate bale over cr7.
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Post#62 » by Merc_Porto » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:40 pm

Lakers415 wrote:Easy

Benzema
Bale-James-Isco
modric-kroos
marcelo-ramos-pique-danilo

benzema and bale would score more and the team would function better as a team, not as ronaldo fc. Which is essentially why real keeps losing la liga.

The 3 most important players for madrid are modric, james and benzema. Ronaldo, is like a luxury player the same way I viewed Mata at chelsea.


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And you're funny.
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Post#63 » by Lakers415 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:45 pm

mercgold3 wrote:
Lakers415 wrote:Easy

Benzema
Bale-James-Isco
modric-kroos
marcelo-ramos-pique-danilo

benzema and bale would score more and the team would function better as a team, not as ronaldo fc. Which is essentially why real keeps losing la liga.

The 3 most important players for madrid are modric, james and benzema. Ronaldo, is like a luxury player the same way I viewed Mata at chelsea.


Pique plays for Barça.

And you're funny.


Doesn't matter, you get the point. Madrid don't need ronaldo, ronaldo needs madrid. Look at man u.

Man U sold ronaldo and still were top 2 the next few years.

made champs league final the season after and won trophies still. When ronaldo leaves madrid, madrid will be fine because they have their prestige, money and you simply do not reject REAL MADRID.
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Post#64 » by Merc_Porto » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:49 pm

Lakers415 wrote: When ronaldo leaves madrid, madrid will be fine because they have their prestige, money and you simply do not reject REAL MADRID.


You are right about that. Finnaly.
Same goes for Messi and Barça.
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Post#65 » by SniperHawk10 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:52 pm

Madrid did win the Champions League final in a game where Ronaldo was virtually invisible. Since then, Isco has received a bigger roll with the club, and Kroos + James were added.

At the moment, he is an important part of the team and vital to their success. But Real will be fine once Ronaldo decides to leave
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Post#66 » by CalamityX12 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:53 pm

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CalamityX12 wrote:Not really on the bandwagon but personally over the years there were times I wish someone else took the FKs than Ronaldo... you can tell when he's on or not...

I would've luv to see James take more kicks, he is very good at them, he can't be restricted to a role player anymore, let him free!!!

same with Bale in the FKs, you wouldn't know how sharp he can be with the limited to no opportunities.


Anyone that thinks cr7 is the second best player in the world is blind...

cr7 was never good at freekicks, kind of like david luiz. They can score the brilliant fk once in a bluemoon, but more often than not rarely hit the mark.

Once real madrid move on from the cr7 era, the overall team would improve.

This team talent wise is superior to barca outside of Messi, suarez and neymar. Madrid should be winning la liga easily if their talent match their output, however, since a certain person on the team isn't really a team player, madrid fails quite a bit. Messi, was able to play the team concept and even neymar bought in..... cr7 was always about cr7

Ronaldo is no question a top 2 player in the world.... who is better than CR7 other than Messi when fully fit?
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Post#67 » by Lakers415 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:59 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:
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CalamityX12 wrote:Not really on the bandwagon but personally over the years there were times I wish someone else took the FKs than Ronaldo... you can tell when he's on or not...

I would've luv to see James take more kicks, he is very good at them, he can't be restricted to a role player anymore, let him free!!!

same with Bale in the FKs, you wouldn't know how sharp he can be with the limited to no opportunities.


Anyone that thinks cr7 is the second best player in the world is blind...

cr7 was never good at freekicks, kind of like david luiz. They can score the brilliant fk once in a bluemoon, but more often than not rarely hit the mark.

Once real madrid move on from the cr7 era, the overall team would improve.

This team talent wise is superior to barca outside of Messi, suarez and neymar. Madrid should be winning la liga easily if their talent match their output, however, since a certain person on the team isn't really a team player, madrid fails quite a bit. Messi, was able to play the team concept and even neymar bought in..... cr7 was always about cr7

Ronaldo is no question a top 2 player in the world.... who is better than CR7 other than Messi when fully fit?

Fully fit?

Strikers/wingers? bale, aguero, silva, james, robben, ribery and neymar. Zlatan has more talent/technique than ronaldo.

Ronaldo is a luxury player, like Mata was for Chelsea. Once they don't get that luxury as you are seeing with Mata, they are good, but not this super player people envision.
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Post#68 » by Merc_Porto » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:59 pm

Do you remember Real Madrid in the Champions League before Ronaldo ?

I do, until the round 16.
6 years straight out in the round 16.

This guy scores 60 goals per season.
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Post#69 » by Lakers415 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:00 pm

In terms of cr7, what is he world class in?

Shooting power
Aerial ability

He lost the speed that he once had when he was at manchester by bulking up/age.
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Post#70 » by Merc_Porto » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:01 pm

Lakers415 wrote:Fully fit?

Strikers/wingers? bale, aguero, silva, james, robben, ribery and neymar. Zlatan has more talent/technique than ronaldo.

Ronaldo is a luxury player, like Mata was for Chelsea. Once they don't get that luxury as you are seeing with Mata, they are good, but not this super player people envision.


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Post#71 » by Lakers415 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:06 pm

mercgold3 wrote:Do you remember Real Madrid in the Champions League before Ronaldo ?

I do, until the round 16.
6 years straight out in the round 16.

This guy scores 60 goals per season.


Essentially your saying Jose Mourinho and Perez spending is the reason why they got out of the top 16.

When ronaldo came in with pelligrini, they were eliminate in the round of 16 champs league and lost copa del rey in the round of 32. . Than Jose came and things changed for them
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Post#72 » by El Turco » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:08 pm

mercgold3 wrote:
Lakers415 wrote:
Madrid already have a ton of firepower that is being negated so ronaldo can get his stats.

guys like bale, james, isco and benzema each have high goalscoring ability. There a reason why cr7 sucks ass on portugal and only scored like 3 goals in his world cup history (1 on north korea, pk against iran and the third on a tap in this summer)

Ronaldo needs madrid more than madrid needs ronaldo.


If Ronaldo sucks for Portugal.
Messi is even worse for Argentina.


that's terribly incorrect. messi sucks for nt narrative has to die down at some point, he took a deeply flawed team to minutes of world championship. ronaldo only shows up against luxembourg, estonias of the world, pretty much disappears against every good team and major tournament.
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Post#73 » by Merc_Porto » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:17 pm

El Turco wrote:that's terribly incorrect. messi sucks for nt narrative has to die down at some point, he took a deeply flawed team to minutes of world championship. ronaldo only shows up against luxembourg, estonias of the world, pretty much disappears against every good team and major tournament.


That is not true at all.

And I can't believe i'm defending Ronaldo like this. A player that i really don't like.

But damn, Bale, Aguero, Neymar, Suarez better than him ?

Real Madrid doesn't need Ronaldo ?
Is Ronaldo that needs R.Madrid ?
That is crazy.
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Post#74 » by Merc_Porto » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:18 pm

Lakers415 wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:Do you remember Real Madrid in the Champions League before Ronaldo ?

I do, until the round 16.
6 years straight out in the round 16.

This guy scores 60 goals per season.


Essentially your saying Jose Mourinho and Perez spending is the reason why they got out of the top 16.

When ronaldo came in with pelligrini, they were eliminate in the round of 16 champs league and lost copa del rey in the round of 32. . Than Jose came and things changed for them


I can't take you serious. Sorry.
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Post#75 » by CalamityX12 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:20 pm

El Turco wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:
Lakers415 wrote:
Madrid already have a ton of firepower that is being negated so ronaldo can get his stats.

guys like bale, james, isco and benzema each have high goalscoring ability. There a reason why cr7 sucks ass on portugal and only scored like 3 goals in his world cup history (1 on north korea, pk against iran and the third on a tap in this summer)

Ronaldo needs madrid more than madrid needs ronaldo.


If Ronaldo sucks for Portugal.
Messi is even worse for Argentina.


that's terribly incorrect. messi sucks for nt narrative has to die down at some point, he took a deeply flawed team to minutes of world championship. ronaldo only shows up against luxembourg, estonias of the world, pretty much disappears against every good team and major tournament.

IDK about their WC run but Argentina's road was this:
Nigeria
Bosnia & Herezgovina
Iran.... seriously?
Switz - beat them in seconds before PK thanks to Di Maria
Belgium
Netherlands - PKs
Germany - 2nd real threat on their run, they lost a tight one....

Their road was not a challenge til the very end.
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Post#76 » by El Turco » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:24 pm

our resident expert on all things history had an infopic earlier in the season that showed ronaldo's goals, i think good team he had any success is netherlands. let me see if i can dig it up..

that being said ronaldo definitely the second best player
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Post#77 » by Lakers415 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:24 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:
El Turco wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:
If Ronaldo sucks for Portugal.
Messi is even worse for Argentina.


that's terribly incorrect. messi sucks for nt narrative has to die down at some point, he took a deeply flawed team to minutes of world championship. ronaldo only shows up against luxembourg, estonias of the world, pretty much disappears against every good team and major tournament.

IDK about their WC run but Argentina's road was this:
Nigeria
Bosnia & Herezgovina
Iran.... seriously?
Switz - beat them in seconds before PK thanks to Di Maria
Belgium
Netherlands - PKs
Germany - 2nd real threat on their run, they lost a tight one....

Their road was not a challenge til the very end.


this i agree with. Argentina had it easy in the world cup. if they were on the other side of the bracket, which consisted of colombia, chile, germany, france and brazil, I doubt argentina would of made the finals....

Argentina is a strong team outside of that **** goalkeeper that manchester signed... This is the same reason why argentina has no excuse anymore about their team being subpar...
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Post#78 » by El Turco » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:26 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:
El Turco wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:
If Ronaldo sucks for Portugal.
Messi is even worse for Argentina.


that's terribly incorrect. messi sucks for nt narrative has to die down at some point, he took a deeply flawed team to minutes of world championship. ronaldo only shows up against luxembourg, estonias of the world, pretty much disappears against every good team and major tournament.

IDK about their WC run but Argentina's road was this:
Nigeria
Bosnia & Herezgovina
Iran.... seriously?
Switz - beat them in seconds before PK thanks to Di Maria
Belgium
Netherlands - PKs
Germany - 2nd real threat on their run, they lost a tight one....

Their road was not a challenge til the very end.


swiss, belgium, netherlands, germany is as good as it gets in a wc run, not sure how many teams had a tougher run than that since they expanded the field. and he would've won it all if higuain was a even an average striker.
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Post#79 » by J-Mezzy » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:28 pm

But is Argentina subpar? They reached back to back finals
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Post#80 » by Lakers415 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:29 pm

El Turco wrote:
CalamityX12 wrote:
El Turco wrote:
that's terribly incorrect. messi sucks for nt narrative has to die down at some point, he took a deeply flawed team to minutes of world championship. ronaldo only shows up against luxembourg, estonias of the world, pretty much disappears against every good team and major tournament.

IDK about their WC run but Argentina's road was this:
Nigeria
Bosnia & Herezgovina
Iran.... seriously?
Switz - beat them in seconds before PK thanks to Di Maria
Belgium
Netherlands - PKs
Germany - 2nd real threat on their run, they lost a tight one....

Their road was not a challenge til the very end.


switz, belgium, netherlands, germany is as good as it gets in a wc run, not sure how many teams had a tougher run than that since they expanded the field. and he would've won it all if higuain was a even an average striker.


Belgium is an overrated national team that was an inch from losing to USA in the world cup.

Holland was led by robben's brilliance. Now, since robben been gone via injury, have you seen Holland play since than. Absolutely dreadful holland is.

None of those teams are better than chile, colombia, brazil. france and germany.

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