How Much is An Elite, Top QB Truly Worth?

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How Much is An Elite, Top QB Truly Worth? 

Post#1 » by MrPerfect1 » Tue May 19, 2015 6:37 pm

The Current Market says it is currently in the low 20 Mil/year range. However, the teams with the Top Qbs still have a gigantic advantage each year over those who don't. What would top QB's have to make so that having a team having a Brady or Rodgers would offer no bigger advantage that having a Jay Cutler or Matt Cassell??

My guess is around $40-$45 Mil/year
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Post#2 » by Higga » Wed May 20, 2015 5:51 pm

You can't put a price on it.

I'd pay Andrew Luck $50 Mil a year if I could and not blink an eye.

And he'd be getting underpaid.
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Post#3 » by RavenMad31 » Thu May 21, 2015 8:13 am

He's worth around an automatic ten wins a season and a little bit more cash than the next guy is willing to pay.
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Post#4 » by Harden2Capela » Sun Aug 2, 2015 6:56 am

Higga wrote:You can't put a price on it.

I'd pay Andrew Luck $50 Mil a year if I could and not blink an eye.

And he'd be getting underpaid.



Wilson> Luck
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Post#5 » by Celtsfan1980 » Sun Aug 2, 2015 4:48 pm

Basically you can argue Rodgers, Brady, and possibly Manning are elite. Brees has fallen. Luck and Wilson aren't close to that category yet.
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Post#6 » by Cactus Jack » Sun Aug 2, 2015 7:47 pm

They're worth 4/87.
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Re: How Much is An Elite, Top QB Truly Worth? 

Post#7 » by bwgood77 » Sun Aug 2, 2015 10:41 pm

If they keep you in the hunt every year and have shown they can win in the playoffs they are worth whatever it takes to keep them.
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Post#8 » by Mamba Mentality » Sun Aug 2, 2015 10:44 pm

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Higga wrote:You can't put a price on it.

I'd pay Andrew Luck $50 Mil a year if I could and not blink an eye.

And he'd be getting underpaid.



Wilson> Luck


If you're going to make such a preposterous statement atleast back it up with some facts...
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Post#9 » by El Turco » Mon Aug 3, 2015 9:18 am

for brady, rodgers and luck you give em the keys of the franchise. for game managers like smith and wilson, 10-15 mil sounds about right.
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Post#10 » by Harden2Capela » Tue Aug 4, 2015 7:09 pm

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Harden2Capela wrote:
Higga wrote:You can't put a price on it.

I'd pay Andrew Luck $50 Mil a year if I could and not blink an eye.

And he'd be getting underpaid.



Wilson> Luck


If you're going to make such a preposterous statement atleast back it up with some facts...


sure why not

Wilson has the most wins through a players first 3 years than anyone in nfl history
Wilson has the highest passer rating through a players first 3 years than anyone in NFL history
Wilson ran for over 800 rushing yards in 2014 a seahawks record for a qb
Wilson is a more efficent thrower than Luck with a career 63.8 completion %
Wilson is the only 3rd year qb to have been to 2 superbowls
Wilson is only qb to pass for 200 yards and rush for 100 in a mnf game
Wilson is the only player in the NFL history to have a 300/100 game
Wilson has beaten Andrew Luck in ESPN's QBR 3 out of the past 4 years( yes im including college)


go to NFL.com and do a player comparison of ANdrew Luck and Russell Wilson, see how many check marks end up on Wilsons side lol
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Post#11 » by Harden2Capela » Tue Aug 4, 2015 7:11 pm

El Turco wrote:for brady, rodgers and luck you give em the keys of the franchise. for game managers like smith and wilson, 10-15 mil sounds about right.



since 2012 Luck leads the AFC interceptions thrown, if not for playing in the AFC South which host the likes of the texans, jags and titans.. teams who routinely pick at the very top of the NFL draft, Luck would be another Geno Smith, maybe the second coming of Eli
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Post#12 » by Mamba Mentality » Tue Aug 4, 2015 7:56 pm

Harden2Capela wrote:
The Regime wrote:
Harden2Capela wrote:

Wilson> Luck


If you're going to make such a preposterous statement atleast back it up with some facts...


sure why not

Wilson has the most wins through a players first 3 years than anyone in nfl history
Wilson has the highest passer rating through a players first 3 years than anyone in NFL history
Wilson ran for over 800 rushing yards in 2014 a seahawks record for a qb
Wilson is a more efficent thrower than Luck with a career 63.8 completion %
Wilson is the only 3rd year qb to have been to 2 superbowls
Wilson is only qb to pass for 200 yards and rush for 100 in a mnf game
Wilson is the only player in the NFL history to have a 300/100 game
Wilson has beaten Andrew Luck in ESPN's QBR 3 out of the past 4 years( yes im including college)


go to NFL.com and do a player comparison of ANdrew Luck and Russell Wilson, see how many check marks end up on Wilsons side lol


I can do the same exact thing with Luck, and he's broken records set by arguably the greatest QB of all time--Peyton Manning.

There's clearly no such thing as context in your post....Unlike Wilson, Luck hasn't had the luxury of playing with a top 5 running back and a top tier defense his entire career. I'm not trying to take anything away form Wilson, but to claim that those feats are strictly individual accomplishments is flat out ignorant. Any simple eye test clearly proves that Luck is a far better qb than Wilson. Andrew Luck is once in a decade type of player, when everything is all said and done he'll go down as one of the greatest to play the game...I don't think I can say that same about Wilson.
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Post#13 » by Harden2Capela » Tue Aug 4, 2015 8:19 pm

The Regime wrote:
Harden2Capela wrote:
The Regime wrote:
If you're going to make such a preposterous statement atleast back it up with some facts...


sure why not

Wilson has the most wins through a players first 3 years than anyone in nfl history
Wilson has the highest passer rating through a players first 3 years than anyone in NFL history
Wilson ran for over 800 rushing yards in 2014 a seahawks record for a qb
Wilson is a more efficent thrower than Luck with a career 63.8 completion %
Wilson is the only 3rd year qb to have been to 2 superbowls
Wilson is only qb to pass for 200 yards and rush for 100 in a mnf game
Wilson is the only player in the NFL history to have a 300/100 game
Wilson has beaten Andrew Luck in ESPN's QBR 3 out of the past 4 years( yes im including college)


go to NFL.com and do a player comparison of ANdrew Luck and Russell Wilson, see how many check marks end up on Wilsons side lol


I can do the same exact thing with Luck, and he's broken records set by arguably the greatest QB of all time--Peyton Manning.

There's clearly no such thing as context in your post....Unlike Wilson, Luck hasn't had the luxury of playing with a top 5 running back and a top tier defense his entire career. I'm not trying to take anything away form Wilson, but to claim that those feats are strictly individual accomplishments is flat out ignorant. Any simple eye test clearly proves that Luck is a far better qb than Wilson. Andrew Luck is once in a decade type of player, when everything is all said and done he'll go down as one of the greatest to play the game...I don't think I can say that same about Wilson.



dat marshawn lynch doe, dat defense doe.. excuses, excuses

the best young qb in the nfl is african american, not white, and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.. i could have listed even more stats that show wilson being better than Luck but i felt it wasnt neccessary

bottomline paying andrew luck 50 million dollars when he is no better than cam newton is foolishness
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Post#14 » by MrPerfect1 » Tue Aug 4, 2015 8:31 pm

Harden2Capela wrote:
The Regime wrote:
Harden2Capela wrote:
sure why not

Wilson has the most wins through a players first 3 years than anyone in nfl history
Wilson has the highest passer rating through a players first 3 years than anyone in NFL history
Wilson ran for over 800 rushing yards in 2014 a seahawks record for a qb
Wilson is a more efficent thrower than Luck with a career 63.8 completion %
Wilson is the only 3rd year qb to have been to 2 superbowls
Wilson is only qb to pass for 200 yards and rush for 100 in a mnf game
Wilson is the only player in the NFL history to have a 300/100 game
Wilson has beaten Andrew Luck in ESPN's QBR 3 out of the past 4 years( yes im including college)


go to NFL.com and do a player comparison of ANdrew Luck and Russell Wilson, see how many check marks end up on Wilsons side lol


I can do the same exact thing with Luck, and he's broken records set by arguably the greatest QB of all time--Peyton Manning.

There's clearly no such thing as context in your post....Unlike Wilson, Luck hasn't had the luxury of playing with a top 5 running back and a top tier defense his entire career. I'm not trying to take anything away form Wilson, but to claim that those feats are strictly individual accomplishments is flat out ignorant. Any simple eye test clearly proves that Luck is a far better qb than Wilson. Andrew Luck is once in a decade type of player, when everything is all said and done he'll go down as one of the greatest to play the game...I don't think I can say that same about Wilson.



dat marshawn lynch doe, dat defense doe.. excuses, excuses

the best young qb in the nfl is african american, not white, and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.. i could have listed even more stats that show wilson being better than Luck but i felt it wasnt neccessary

bottomline paying andrew luck 50 million dollars when he is no better than cam newton is foolishness


Could you at least show 1 stat that indicated Wilson is better than Luck? Using Quarterback Rating and QBR are both highly dubious. Do you think Romo was the Best QB in the NFL Last Year? Using team accomplishments like wins is also silly. If Wins determine how good a player is than AJ Hawk >>>>>> JJ Watt.
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Post#15 » by Mamba Mentality » Tue Aug 4, 2015 9:02 pm

Harden2Capela wrote:
The Regime wrote:
Harden2Capela wrote:
sure why not

Wilson has the most wins through a players first 3 years than anyone in nfl history
Wilson has the highest passer rating through a players first 3 years than anyone in NFL history
Wilson ran for over 800 rushing yards in 2014 a seahawks record for a qb
Wilson is a more efficent thrower than Luck with a career 63.8 completion %
Wilson is the only 3rd year qb to have been to 2 superbowls
Wilson is only qb to pass for 200 yards and rush for 100 in a mnf game
Wilson is the only player in the NFL history to have a 300/100 game
Wilson has beaten Andrew Luck in ESPN's QBR 3 out of the past 4 years( yes im including college)


go to NFL.com and do a player comparison of ANdrew Luck and Russell Wilson, see how many check marks end up on Wilsons side lol


I can do the same exact thing with Luck, and he's broken records set by arguably the greatest QB of all time--Peyton Manning.

There's clearly no such thing as context in your post....Unlike Wilson, Luck hasn't had the luxury of playing with a top 5 running back and a top tier defense his entire career. I'm not trying to take anything away form Wilson, but to claim that those feats are strictly individual accomplishments is flat out ignorant. Any simple eye test clearly proves that Luck is a far better qb than Wilson. Andrew Luck is once in a decade type of player, when everything is all said and done he'll go down as one of the greatest to play the game...I don't think I can say that same about Wilson.



dat marshawn lynch doe, dat defense doe.. excuses, excuses

the best young qb in the nfl is african american, not white, and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.. i could have listed even more stats that show wilson being better than Luck but i felt it wasnt neccessary

bottomline paying andrew luck 50 million dollars when he is no better than cam newton is foolishness


Okay now I'm convinced you don't even watch football.
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Post#16 » by El Turco » Tue Aug 4, 2015 9:06 pm

Harden2Capela wrote:
El Turco wrote:for brady, rodgers and luck you give em the keys of the franchise. for game managers like smith and wilson, 10-15 mil sounds about right.



since 2012 Luck leads the AFC interceptions thrown, if not for playing in the AFC South which host the likes of the texans, jags and titans.. teams who routinely pick at the very top of the NFL draft, Luck would be another Geno Smith, maybe the second coming of Eli


what the hell are you talking about? luck is 5th in interception percentage among active players, and that's with taking over a 2 win team and virtually no running game so defenses know he would throw virtually every down.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_active.htm
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Post#17 » by El Turco » Tue Aug 4, 2015 9:23 pm

i can't think of one area outside of qb that colts are superior to seahawks past 3 years yet wilson only managed to win 3 more games. colts would probably average around 5-6 wins if you replace luck with wilson.
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Post#18 » by Harden2Capela » Tue Aug 4, 2015 10:06 pm

El Turco wrote:i can't think of one area outside of qb that colts are superior to seahawks past 3 years yet wilson only managed to win 3 more games. colts would probably average around 5-6 wins if you replace luck with wilson.



http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

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and I have more facts on my side that show Wilson is superior to luck, but keep believing media hype over at bspn and nfl network, oh and jameis Winston as a prospect was superior to luck as well( thats the real reason he's hated)
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Post#19 » by Harden2Capela » Tue Aug 4, 2015 10:09 pm

The Regime wrote:
Harden2Capela wrote:
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I can do the same exact thing with Luck, and he's broken records set by arguably the greatest QB of all time--Peyton Manning.

There's clearly no such thing as context in your post....Unlike Wilson, Luck hasn't had the luxury of playing with a top 5 running back and a top tier defense his entire career. I'm not trying to take anything away form Wilson, but to claim that those feats are strictly individual accomplishments is flat out ignorant. Any simple eye test clearly proves that Luck is a far better qb than Wilson. Andrew Luck is once in a decade type of player, when everything is all said and done he'll go down as one of the greatest to play the game...I don't think I can say that same about Wilson.



dat marshawn lynch doe, dat defense doe.. excuses, excuses

the best young qb in the nfl is african american, not white, and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.. i could have listed even more stats that show wilson being better than Luck but i felt it wasnt neccessary

bottomline paying andrew luck 50 million dollars when he is no better than cam newton is foolishness


Okay now I'm convinced you don't even watch football.



18 of Lucks 40 td's last year came inside the 5 yard line lol... what a joke, the colts were up 30-3 on the jags in the 4th quarter and Luck was still in their padding his stats... he wouldn't be able to pad those stats in the nfc west with Robert Quinn, Patrick Peterson, and the 49ers of the past 3 years or so... btw the rams and cards have destroyed luck in his career
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Post#20 » by Harden2Capela » Tue Aug 4, 2015 10:12 pm

Wilson cant throw the football right?... guess who holds the rookie record for passing yards in a playoff game
most td passes by a rookie qb

this is too easy.

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