Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[Frank Lee]

Your contributions to this discussion could be replaced by a talking doll. Let's repeat the same thing in circles until oblivion. I can't wait until the offseason ends.

You keep your Mantra that Keif is his own man and he and the FO want him to be a Sun... and I'll maintain that the MoBros share one brain and Kief and the Suns want him elsewhere. Its pretty simple.

Too bad we all don't see it your way.


dammit, who pulled my string ?

[charley barkles]

My guess is that the Suns brass has talked to keef's agent and said they will move him to a favorable situation if he can be a professional and not take to social media.

[ThrowbackORNG]

My guess is that the Suns brass has talked to keef's agent and said they will move him to a favorable situation if he can be a professional and not take to social media.

Makes sense. Would explain why he hasn't said anything positive or negative since the "foul game" comment.

[jcsunsfan]

I have no doubt that Kieff is on the market. But they are not going to move him without getting value, and he should get plenty of value. He is a 15 and 6 pf on a very good budget. He is an effective half court player and can get his own shot. He also is a decent defender (yes) his defensive rating is the same as Iggy (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=iguodan01&p2=morrima02&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=).

I wonder who they are targeting? I assume a starting pf.

I still think there is a good chance that Cousins will be traded. How about Morris, Len, Goodwin, and the two Miami picks for Cousins. I know most will think its too low, I am just looking at what we could offer. Sac needs a pf badly.

Chandler and Cousins could start and play together, just like our Bledsoe and Knight. We would always have one of the two on the floor with Tele and Leuer rotating in and out. Its a dream anyway.

[saintEscaton]

I have no doubt that Kieff is on the market. But they are not going to move him without getting value, and he should get plenty of value. He is a 15 and 6 pf on a very good budget. He is an effective half court player and can get his own shot. He also is a decent defender (yes) his defensive rating is the same as Iggy (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=iguodan01&p2=morrima02&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=).

I wonder who they are targeting? I assume a starting pf.

I still think there is a good chance that Cousins will be traded. How about Morris, Len, Goodwin, and the two Miami picks for Cousins. I know most will think its too low, I am just looking at what we could offer. Sac needs a pf badly.

Chandler and Cousins could start and play together, just like our Bledsoe and Knight. We would always have one of the two on the floor with Tele and Leuer rotating in and out. Its a dream anyway.

DMo is a more realistically acquirable target. But Morey is usually the one who picks up the phone and never gets fleeced so he probably wouldn't be aboard if its a player for player swap. We'd probably have to sweeten the deal and entice him by adding a pick

[bwgood77]

Cousins will not be traded. I think that's been made pretty clear by the FO. D-Mo is a realistic target but I don't know that Houston would have a ton of interest in Kieff because they clearly want to shoot only 3s and shots at the rim.

I would probably go hard after Millsap, given our current situation (the fact we want to compete)....he is a solid vet that can be a good role model. I don't think Atlanta will trade him, as they want to spread the floor too, but if we threw in picks and maybe another player, who knows?

I've been thinking of who would be a good trading partner and I just don't really see a good one where I think the other team would do it. I don't think we would want to trade him for less value though just to get rid of him because that makes no sense.

[bigfoot]

Can't really go after Milsap until Dec 15. Free agents that were signed can not be traded until then. If we move Kief before the season starts it will have to be for a PF that was already under contract.

[bwgood77]

Can't really go after Milsap until Dec 15. Free agents that were signed can not be traded until then. If we move Kief before the season starts it will have to be for a PF that was already under contract.

Yes, I meant to mention that, but if it comes down to taking a lesser guy now or having more options come Dec 15th, I take the latter if a deal is possible.

[letsgosuns]

I still think the Suns can do something with the Cavaliers. Tucker and Markieff for a signed and traded Tristan Thompson. Give Thompson the 1+1 contract. One year with a player option. Will spacing suffer? Absolutely. But with Thompson and Chandler the Suns would have arguably the best defensive and rebounding front court in the league, especially with Len off the bench. Teletovich can come in as the sixth man to space the floor. I would love to see a Suns team built 100% around defense and rebounding for the first time ever. And maybe the Suns can help Thompson develop a mid-range shot. If Thompson could have a 15 foot jump shot he would catapult himself to a totally different level. I can see it happening.

The Suns are not going to win the championship with Markieff and Tucker as starters so who cares if they are gone. Most people do not even see the Suns as a playoff team. I know I do not. I would rather get rid of those guys and put a better up and coming player like Thompson on the team. At least we would no longer have to deal with Markieff. That would be a pleasure in and of itself.

[lilfishi22]

Don't want anything with TT. I like the idea of a 1+1 deal but in the end, we're still left with nothing. I'd rather set the talent bar lower and look for a guy who could be had for cheaper.

[bwgood77]

I've been out of the loop for awhile. Anyways, I take it from what I read is Warren isn't happy and markeiff wants to get traded?

TJ Warren is excited, and we have no idea what Markieff is thinking. He likely isn't terribly happy but I don't know what realistic trade that makes sense is out there.

[Mulhollanddrive]

The isolated superstar, is usually the most gettable type. Thinking Barkley, Carmelo, Love, LeBron. They usually don't hang around bad situations for a long time.

Paul George would be perfect for us, maybe if they have a bad season or if he has injury troubles, they'll look to rebuild and we have like assets up to our asses that don't include our core 3 and best rookies Warren and Len.

[AtheJ415]

Your contributions to this discussion could be replaced by a talking doll. Let's repeat the same thing in circles until oblivion. I can't wait until the offseason ends.

You keep your Mantra that Keif is his own man and he and the FO want him to be a Sun... and I'll maintain that the MoBros share one brain and Kief and the Suns want him elsewhere. Its pretty simple.

Too bad we all don't see it your way.


dammit, who pulled my string ?

See, that's not even really my mantra. And that's what makes continuing this discussion pointless. I've never said Kieff and the FO want him to be a Sun. All I've said is you don't trade him for crap or guys who are 35 and can't help our core--in short, don't move him simply to move him. That's very different from what you continuously turn this discussion into via your constant straw man arguments, like this one.

[batsmasher]

We have 2 realistic options:
- Trade him for peanuts.
- Wait

Neither are very good options... but that's Kieff's fault.

Wherever he ends up, I am going to have so much fun following the Morrii this season.

[theSUNalsoRISES]

Got to thank the Morris bros for keeping the thread interesting........can't think that Mcd foresaw(?? Not sure if thats a word) trading Marcus would annoy kief and getting Aldridge was never a sure thing...so I'm sure he has a plan...personally I don't think we can afford to sell low so I can't see us trading kief. If we were surely it be done by now.

[TASTIC]

How well did Kieff get on with Gentry?

Could see a Ryan Anderson for Kieff 1 for 1 potentially happening.

[NTB]

How well did Kieff get on with Gentry?

Could see a Ryan Anderson for Kieff 1 for 1 potentially happening.

I'd love to see that happens but Gentry knows how valuable Ryno is for Pelicans. Ryno has better strech 4 abilities and I think that's what Gentry really cares about.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If Anderson turns down a contract extension (they already have cap pressure) then he'd surely be a target, either through trade within the next few months or free agency in 9 months.

[Frank Lee]

Sorry AtheJ, I have made my assumption, just as you have. Mine is based on both his past and current behavior, but it is an observational assumption. I do not think it is a stretch to think he fully endorses and shares CusMo's spite.

Yours is based on hogwash and more assumptions.

yup... sure thing... He is his own man ... this is all CusMo acting independently. Heck, I bet KeifMo doesn't know anything about this.... highly unlikely he agrees. I fact, there is nothing in their past that would indicate collaboration.

Exactly. Because brothers are close, they are responsible for each other's actions and never don't think alike. That makes much more sense. Just stellar, ironclad logic right there.

Its a shame he cannot express his desire to be a Sun. I think that is what most here look at with frustration. Sure, he is under no obligation to do so, but if anyone in his position was practicing good PR, we would not be where we are now. It seems to me, No news from Keif is not good news. ....... But at least, even you could see the angry path taken by Keif has only lead to further disdain from the fan base.

... I also believe in logical reasoning that if I was in the same situation as Markieff, I'd act the exact same way regardless, so reading anything into it is flat out stupid.....

Well, I guess your assumptions are better than mine.

My assumptions favor giving the benefit of the doubt due to logical reasoning, so yes, they are better than yours in this scenario.

Strawman

And here all this time I thought you were disagreeing with me .... my bad (?)


Cant wipe your hands and pretend you don't throw mud


Be clear here, I am not hell bent on trading KeifMo. But I do think it is the path both parties are on.


PS.... Court in 30 minutes

[bwgood77]

The isolated superstar, is usually the most gettable type. Thinking Barkley, Carmelo, Love, LeBron. They usually don't hang around bad situations for a long time.

Paul George would be perfect for us, maybe if they have a bad season or if he has injury troubles, they'll look to rebuild and we have like assets up to our asses that don't include our core 3 and best rookies Warren and Len.

Indiana is like Phx in that they are vastly opposed (maybe even moreso) to tanking. It is almost stupid to tank in the east, where it is wide open (outside of the Cavs) and a top 4 seed is never THAT far out of reach, particularly if you have a top 10 player.