Clyde on Melo: "Will he ask out?"

[DE FENSE]

Wait. What does melo not waiting on a young team have to do with the offense? Lol

It's really inevitable that melo gets traded. I said from day one he won't finish this contract out here. He got his money. He got his no trade so he has final say in where he goes. We got to keep a valuable trade chip. Get to rehab and showcase him. It was best for both sides.

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Yup. I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty psyched about what he would get for him in a trade. as much as I'd like to keep him, I'd rather move him sooner than later to get the most value in return while he's still in his prime.

Why are you anticipating a large haul? Melo will drastically limit the market with his NTC. Basically big market contenders.

Now, even if those teams are interested in acquiring him, what contenders have young talent and worthwhile picks to give up in a trade? Or expirings to provide cap relief? And if they have those things, could they give them up for Melo and still be contenders?

In Phil I Trust. He won't move him without getting proper compensation. Just because Melo waives his NTC for a certain team he wants to go to doesn't mean we have to comply and bend over backwards. Melo will have to convince said team to make a deal.

[KnickMan]

If we can get a couple of first round picks and rotation player or two I might be all for it.

[BKlutch]

Clyde also seems to have liked TH Jr, even though he never fit in with our plans. Why? Either because Melo and TH Jr were friends, or he actually liked THJr? Don't know which.

Also, if Melo asks out and is traded, he may want to re-negotiate his contract due to the higher salary cap. I don't know how I feel about Melo staying or leaving, because I don't know how the guys will all fit together as a team. But having signed him, we would trade him only for equal value, so that's really good for us. If he left via FA, we would have had nada.

[GONYK]

Yup. I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty psyched about what he would get for him in a trade. as much as I'd like to keep him, I'd rather move him sooner than later to get the most value in return while he's still in his prime.

Why are you anticipating a large haul? Melo will drastically limit the market with his NTC. Basically big market contenders.

Now, even if those teams are interested in acquiring him, what contenders have young talent and worthwhile picks to give up in a trade? Or expirings to provide cap relief? And if they have those things, could they give them up for Melo and still be contenders?

In Phil I Trust. He won't move him without getting proper compensation. Just because Melo waives his NTC for a certain team he wants to go to doesn't mean we have to comply and bend over backwards. Melo will have to convince said team to make a deal.

That doesn't really address the other issues. Do the Clippers or Chicago have young talent, high picks, or large expirings? Could they part with those things and still be contenders? Would they want to for Melo?

I honestly think if Melo pulls that trigger (which I don't think will happen this season), the return will not be as great as people are expecting.

[BodyCount]

Kawhi Leonard+ filler for Melo.

[GONYK]

Clyde also seems to have liked TH Jr, even though he never fit in with our plans. Why? Either because Melo and TH Jr were friends, or he actually liked THJr? Don't know which.

Also, if Melo asks out and is traded, he may want to re-negotiate his contract due to the higher salary cap. I don't know how I feel about Melo staying or leaving, because I don't know how the guys will all fit together as a team. But having signed him, we would trade him only for equal value, so that's really good for us. If he left via FA, we would have had nada.

How could Melo renegotiate his contract? I'm not aware of him having any opt-outs

[GONYK]

Kawhi Leonard+ filler for Melo.

Yea, I'm sure Pop is dying to do that

[BodyCount]

Kawhi Leonard+ filler for Melo.

Yea, I'm sure Pop is dying to do that

ofcourse he isn't and neither are spurs fans. But still, we should at least propose it if it comes to the point where melo wants out.

[And100]

Yup. I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty psyched about what he would get for him in a trade. as much as I'd like to keep him, I'd rather move him sooner than later to get the most value in return while he's still in his prime.

Why are you anticipating a large haul? Melo will drastically limit the market with his NTC. Basically big market contenders.

Now, even if those teams are interested in acquiring him, what contenders have young talent and worthwhile picks to give up in a trade? Or expirings to provide cap relief? And if they have those things, could they give them up for Melo and still be contenders?

In Phil I Trust. He won't move him without getting proper compensation. Just because Melo waives his NTC for a certain team he wants to go to doesn't mean we have to comply and bend over backwards. Melo will have to convince said team to make a deal.

Just for fun, name a 'for instance'. Pick a team you think Melo would go to, find a return you'd consider a haul.

[GONYK]

Kawhi Leonard+ filler for Melo.

Yea, I'm sure Pop is dying to do that

ofcourse he isn't and neither are spurs fans. But still, we should at least propose it if it comes to the point where melo wants out.

With that logic, might as well propose Melo for Lebron and 1st

[Deeeez Knicks]

This is going to be a pivotal season for him to see really how he fits into the Knick plans and how this is going to go from here. Will he ask out, you know what I mean, if he sees that this is not happening?

Agreed 100% with Clyde here. Melo and the Knicks should have the same interest and goals too. Try to be good this season, but if its not working out then its probably time to move on. Either way its in everyones best interest if Melo stays healthy, plays well and the Knicks do well.

A pivotal season indeed.

[And100]

Kawhi Leonard+ filler for Melo.

Yea, I'm sure Pop is dying to do that

ofcourse he isn't and neither are spurs fans. But still, we should at least propose it if it comes to the point where melo wants out.

Sure of course.. and got to offer him to GS for Curry.

And NO for Davis.

And Cousins and Griffen, etc...

[DaKnicksAreBack]

If we get off to a start similar to last season's start then I would expect either Melo to ask for a trade or PJax to approach melo about waiving his no-trade-clause so PJax can trade him.

[BKlutch]

Clyde also seems to have liked TH Jr, even though he never fit in with our plans. Why? Either because Melo and TH Jr were friends, or he actually liked THJr? Don't know which.

Also, if Melo asks out and is traded, he may want to re-negotiate his contract due to the higher salary cap. I don't know how I feel about Melo staying or leaving, because I don't know how the guys will all fit together as a team. But having signed him, we would trade him only for equal value, so that's really good for us. If he left via FA, we would have had nada.

How could Melo renegotiate his contract? I'm not aware of him having any opt-outs

He doesn't have any opt-outs. If another team wants him badly enough, they are allowed to renegotiate any contract up, but not down. Same as we gave away tons of good players in a trade to get him. The team that wants him badly enough (assuming there actually is such a team, after they see how he plays this year) can tell him "waive the no trade to come here, and we'll increase your salary by X Million."

Of course, if things go really well and Melo believes we're only one excellent player away from contending, this may all be moot.

[Capn'O]

Washington
Chicago
GS
LA (both teams)

Outside shot - Miami, Dallas, Houston

Those are your partners. Mix and match to your liking. But I'm not gonna play GM until a formal request is made. The Washington trade proposal from the Catchall thread the other day was pretty good though.

[GONYK]

Clyde also seems to have liked TH Jr, even though he never fit in with our plans. Why? Either because Melo and TH Jr were friends, or he actually liked THJr? Don't know which.

Also, if Melo asks out and is traded, he may want to re-negotiate his contract due to the higher salary cap. I don't know how I feel about Melo staying or leaving, because I don't know how the guys will all fit together as a team. But having signed him, we would trade him only for equal value, so that's really good for us. If he left via FA, we would have had nada.

How could Melo renegotiate his contract? I'm not aware of him having any opt-outs

He doesn't have any opt-outs. If another team wants him badly enough, they are allowed to renegotiate any contract up, but not down. Same as we gave away tons of good players in a trade to get him. The team that wants him badly enough (assuming there actually is such a team, after they see how he plays this year) can tell him "waive the no trade to come here, and we'll increase your salary by X Million."

Of course, if things go really well and Melo believes we're only one excellent player away from contending, this may all be moot.

I believe only teams under the cap can do that, and it can't be done before the 3rd year of the deal

[GONYK]

Washington
Chicago
GS
LA (both teams)

Outside shot - Miami, Dallas, Houston

Those are your partners. Mix and match to your liking. But I'm not gonna play GM until a formal request is made. The Washington trade proposal from the Catchall thread the other day was pretty good though.

That is the only realistic one I see coming out of the list of possibilities

[And100]

Washington
Chicago
GS
LA (both teams)

Outside shot - Miami, Dallas, Houston

Those are your partners. Mix and match to your liking. But I'm not gonna play GM until a formal request is made. The Washington trade proposal from the Catchall thread the other day was pretty good though.

Playing GM takes all or 5 mins or so.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

For instance, only Chicago has a 1-10 protected pick from Sacramento beside their own pick, and both LAs owe picks. GS too.

Salary is even easier to match.

[BKlutch]

How could Melo renegotiate his contract? I'm not aware of him having any opt-outs

He doesn't have any opt-outs. If another team wants him badly enough, they are allowed to renegotiate any contract up, but not down. Same as we gave away tons of good players in a trade to get him. The team that wants him badly enough (assuming there actually is such a team, after they see how he plays this year) can tell him "waive the no trade to come here, and we'll increase your salary by X Million."

Of course, if things go really well and Melo believes we're only one excellent player away from contending, this may all be moot.

I believe only teams under the cap can do that, and it can't be done before the 3rd year of the deal

Well, if you're the cap man, I doff my cap to you - didn't know he had to wait for the 3rd year. I suppose it's time to start looking at free agents we could afford in another year, with and without Melon against our salary cap.

[And100]

Washington
Chicago
GS
LA (both teams)

Outside shot - Miami, Dallas, Houston

Those are your partners. Mix and match to your liking. But I'm not gonna play GM until a formal request is made. The Washington trade proposal from the Catchall thread the other day was pretty good though.

That is the only realistic one I see coming out of the list of possibilities

Beal, Nene and a 2016-2018 first rounder I presume?