Clyde on Melo: "Will he ask out?"

[TheMaestro]

If he asks for a trade, I'm sure we will try to accommodate him, but he will limit the market and we won't get much for him now either.

If he asked for a trade now, he's an idiot. He wont. But if he gets frustrated with the lack of progress over the next 2 seasons, (i.e. quality players not signing with the Knicks) then I'm sure it will come up and we should try and accommodate him, but we need to do whats best for the franchise. He FOR SURE could net 2 first founders. Probably more. Look at what New Jersey got for Pierce and Garnett

Net them from who? If he's leaving for a contender, you think trading Melo for 2 late 1sts is something to be excited about?

Who knows. We're talking years down the road. 1st rounders have value. LOL if you think we're gonna get multiple lottery picks for a broken down 33+ year old Melo. Only the Knicks would be stupid enough to do that. We shall see.

[GONYK]

If he asked for a trade now, he's an idiot. He wont. But if he gets frustrated with the lack of progress over the next 2 seasons, (i.e. quality players not signing with the Knicks) then I'm sure it will come up and we should try and accommodate him, but we need to do whats best for the franchise. He FOR SURE could net 2 first founders. Probably more. Look at what New Jersey got for Pierce and Garnett

Net them from who? If he's leaving for a contender, you think trading Melo for 2 late 1sts is something to be excited about?

Who knows. We're talking years down the road. 1st rounders have value. LOL if you think we're gonna get multiple lottery picks for a broken down 33+ year old Melo. Only the Knicks would be stupid enough to do that. We shall see.

I don't think we will get lotto picks. The exact opposite. I don't think we will yield anything of real value. Now or in 2 years.

[GYK]

Clyde gotta stfu.
He knows, well should know, that media is snooping. He can't be the cause of disfunction headlines.
Everything is wonderful or go work for ESPN. Thank you for what you done this media is far worse than you had. You gotta be with the positivity and leave cryptic to Phil, as what he says is planned thus manageable.

[13ringsruling]

As far as the thread goes, these are is the golden nuggets imo....

Q: What did you think of what the Knicks did this offseason?

A: I think $30 million obviously doesn't get you what it used to. So I think they did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. So they had an option: try to get superstars or try to build like Atlanta has done without superstars -- like Toronto, like Washington. Some teams in the Eastern Conference have had success with that. So I think that's what their game plan is right now: Try to get some good players and then maybe later on try to get a superstar.

Q: The Knicks drafted Kristaps Porzingis, a guy who is a couple years away from being able to help you win night in and night out. Then there's Carmelo Anthony, who is 31 and here for another four years. How does he fit in because it seems like they are looking at a future that might not fit within his window?

A: I'm sure Melo wasn't happy. His future is now. You know, he’s not getting younger. This is going to be a pivotal season for him to see really how he fits into the Knick plans and how this is going to go from here. Will he ask out, you know what I mean, if he sees that this is not happening? Because right now the Knicks, [it's] going to be tough to make the playoffs. They are a few years away and Melo knows that his days are numbered, so stay tuned.

Interesting how Clyde views the acquisitions and the Knicks plans concerning Melo. Not sure what hand they were though, the slate was virtually clean, and this team doesnt look like a playoff team at all.

So back to louieOrr, what HBC said is truth. Do you still think the system will put the Knicks within striking distance of the 8th seed?

I respect HBC opinion, and yours as well, but its not truth until it happens.

To answer your question if our roster stays healthy enough I have the expectation to compete for the playoffs and exceed expectation until proven otherwise.

Ive just been saying that there is no body of evidence to conclude the game has passed Jackson or his system by.

No I don't think Phil has tailor made his team in one year as President. I haven't seen many Prez/GM that have.



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to add onto this - a fifth of the league use triangle sets or have pieces of the triangle integrated into their offense.
spurs, hawks, warriors, sixers, knicks (obviously), i saw a little bit of triangle stuff in chicago's offense this passed season.

to also add onto this - the triangle in its entirety has a lot of wrinkles in it for 3pt shots. hell, you can get a spot-up top-of-the-key 3 out of the post entry. theres a double pindown out of the corner that turns into a DHO for a 3 in one wrinkle. im sure fisher will add a lot of 3pt wrinkles in this year now that career bricklayers like thj, jr, and shump are all gone.

[Triple C]

I'm sure Melo wasn't happy. His future is now. You know, he’s not getting younger. This is going to be a pivotal season for him to see really how he fits into the Knick plans and how this is going to go from here. Will he ask out, you know what I mean, if he sees that this is not happening? Because right now the Knicks, [it's] going to be tough to make the playoffs. They are a few years away and Melo knows that his days are numbered, so stay tuned.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/62787/clyde-on-carmelo-will-he-ask-out

You turned "will he ask out" into "he will ask out", the same words with two different meanings. Straight trolling bait post right there. I'm surprised you didn't get a time out with this move.

C'mon i think you know me, i'm not a troll, I real quicky, and I wrote the first title that I went through my head.
Then if admins want to suspend me for that, ok , most of apologizing not know what to do.

[method]

Net them from who? If he's leaving for a contender, you think trading Melo for 2 late 1sts is something to be excited about?

Who knows. We're talking years down the road. 1st rounders have value. LOL if you think we're gonna get multiple lottery picks for a broken down 33+ year old Melo. Only the Knicks would be stupid enough to do that. We shall see.

I don't think we will get lotto picks. The exact opposite. I don't think we will yield anything of real value. Now or in 2 years.

lHow do you figure we wont get anything for a arguable a top ten player???

[SaveUsKP6]

Who knows. We're talking years down the road. 1st rounders have value. LOL if you think we're gonna get multiple lottery picks for a broken down 33+ year old Melo. Only the Knicks would be stupid enough to do that. We shall see.

I don't think we will get lotto picks. The exact opposite. I don't think we will yield anything of real value. Now or in 2 years.

lHow do you figure we wont get anything for a arguable a top ten player???

We have an arguable top 10 player? Did I miss something?

[King of Canada]

If we suck, I think that Melo will want out. What is his short list? Cleveland, Clippers?

[method]

I don't think we will get lotto picks. The exact opposite. I don't think we will yield anything of real value. Now or in 2 years.

lHow do you figure we wont get anything for a arguable a top ten player???

We have an arguable top 10 player? Did I miss something?

Yeah u did like the last 13 years of Melos career.

[GONYK]

Who knows. We're talking years down the road. 1st rounders have value. LOL if you think we're gonna get multiple lottery picks for a broken down 33+ year old Melo. Only the Knicks would be stupid enough to do that. We shall see.

I don't think we will get lotto picks. The exact opposite. I don't think we will yield anything of real value. Now or in 2 years.

lHow do you figure we wont get anything for a arguable a top ten player???

My reasoning is laid out very clearly all over this thread. Thugger summed it up nicely though:

Why would a team trade their all star for Melo? He's certainly worth it depending on the player in question, but why would any team actually do it? They'd be in the same boat before they made the trade.

Melo isnt gonna be an easy player to trade because he can dictate where he goes, and thats assuming he'd ever want to leave, which I doubt seriously.

But if he ever asked out, or agreed, the Knicks would quite likely get close to nothing of value for him. Contenders dont have the pieces and non contenders have no leg in handing over good assets for a player they wont be receiving.

[j4remi]

He won't get a great package now, nor in 2017.

If he's having a great bounce back season...
and we're still so bad that we're a clear lottery team...
before the trade deadline...
And a major city team like Chicago or LA specifically needs a scoring wing to get themselves over the top...
But is also willing to part with their youth and assets to improve their starters...
While also having expiring contracts or cap space to match Melo's cap figure

Then we can find an ideal trade to move Melo that would help us as well...the variables are insane.

[god shammgod]

He won't get a great package now, nor in 2017.

If he's having a great bounce back season...
and we're still so bad that we're a clear lottery team...
before the trade deadline...
And a major city team like Chicago or LA specifically needs a scoring wing to get themselves over the top...
But is also willing to part with their youth and assets to improve their starters...
While also having expiring contracts or cap space to match Melo's cap figure

Then we can find an ideal trade to move Melo that would help us as well...the variables are insane.

and we can probably take that part out

[j4remi]

and we can probably take that part out

I think some posters need it spelled out factor by factor just to see how damned complicated and specific the situation has to be.

[King of Canada]

and we can probably take that part out

I think some posters need it spelled out factor by factor just to see how damned complicated and specific the situation has to be.

You're right. Just the fact that Melo has very few options makes it that much less likely. We have the pieces to be pretty good this season, and it's largely on Melo to make us a winner. Should be an entertaining season.

[dakomish23]

When you trade a player of Melo's caliber, you hardly ever get fair value back. I don't think Denver got fair value back at the time. When you consider they traded Moz for two picks then it seems more even. The only trade I could think of that this worked out for a team losing the All Star is Minny for KLove. Hard to see many others where a top 10ish guy leaves and the team is better for it.

If we put Melo on the block, 25 teams call us up. He's still one of the elite offensive weapons in this league and still in his prime

Still think he will exhibit patience till at least Feb 2017. If we are garbage then it's time to cut bait

[Dirk]

and we can probably take that part out

I think some posters need it spelled out factor by factor just to see how damned complicated and specific the situation has to be.

The thing is... Melo doesn't want to move to a team, only to see that team giving up good players for him and lessen his chances of winning. He no longer has the incentive of making the most money possible as he did when he got traded from Denver. His contract is set for the until 2018, so it really feels like at best you'd fetch two late first round picks, cap relief and maybe a young player.

Houston would be the best trade partner.

[j4remi]

The thing is... Melo doesn't want to move to a team, only to see that team giving up good players for him and lessen his chances of winning. He no longer has the incentive of making the most money possible as he did when he got traded from Denver. His contract is set for the until 2018, so it really feels like at best you'd fetch two late first round picks, cap relief and maybe a young player.

Houston would be the best trade partner.

Yeah that's pretty much the point, barring something miraculous, we're not gonna get back enough value to warrant moving him. So all "trade melo" scenarios are at such a far fetched point, it's better to just acknowledge we're almost absolutely keeping him.

[JXL]

and we can probably take that part out

I think some posters need it spelled out factor by factor just to see how damned complicated and specific the situation has to be.

The thing is... Melo doesn't want to move to a team, only to see that team giving up good players for him and lessen his chances of winning. He no longer has the incentive of making the most money possible as he did when he got traded from Denver. His contract is set for the until 2018, so it really feels like at best you'd fetch two late first round picks, cap relief and maybe a young player.

Houston would be the best trade partner.

Correct. Like what happened with the Knicks before the trade. You don't gut young talent for 1 established one. Melo knew what he signed up for, and by demanding a trade when he himself said he's willing to be patient and let the team grow is making himself look like a BS'er.

As far as a trade partner, only 2 teams will be willing to take on that contract, especially with the rising cap:

1) Washington - Needs an established SF, even with Porter not ready
2) Memphis - They can move their young guys and what's left of their 1st rounders to win now.

[GONYK]

I think some posters need it spelled out factor by factor just to see how damned complicated and specific the situation has to be.

The thing is... Melo doesn't want to move to a team, only to see that team giving up good players for him and lessen his chances of winning. He no longer has the incentive of making the most money possible as he did when he got traded from Denver. His contract is set for the until 2018, so it really feels like at best you'd fetch two late first round picks, cap relief and maybe a young player.

Houston would be the best trade partner.

Correct. Like what happened with the Knicks before the trade. You don't gut young talent for 1 established one. Melo knew what he signed up for, and by demanding a trade when he himself said he's willing to be patient and let the team grow is making himself look like a BS'er.

As far as a trade partner, only 2 teams will be willing to take on that contract, especially with the rising cap:

1) Washington - Needs an established SF, even with Porter not ready
2) Memphis - They can move their young guys and what's left of their 1st rounders to win now.

Melo isn't going to Memphis. Washington I'm also skeptical on.

[JXL]

The thing is... Melo doesn't want to move to a team, only to see that team giving up good players for him and lessen his chances of winning. He no longer has the incentive of making the most money possible as he did when he got traded from Denver. His contract is set for the until 2018, so it really feels like at best you'd fetch two late first round picks, cap relief and maybe a young player.

Houston would be the best trade partner.

Correct. Like what happened with the Knicks before the trade. You don't gut young talent for 1 established one. Melo knew what he signed up for, and by demanding a trade when he himself said he's willing to be patient and let the team grow is making himself look like a BS'er.

As far as a trade partner, only 2 teams will be willing to take on that contract, especially with the rising cap:

1) Washington - Needs an established SF, even with Porter not ready
2) Memphis - They can move their young guys and what's left of their 1st rounders to win now.

Melo isn't going to Memphis. Washington I'm also skeptical on.

Thus the reason I don't see Melo waiving his NTC. Phil won't get much back no matter where Melo wants to go.