Clyde on Melo: "Will he ask out?"

[Fat Kat]

Yeah that's pretty much the point, barring something miraculous, we're not gonna get back enough value to warrant moving him. So all "trade melo" scenarios are at such a far fetched point, it's better to just acknowledge we're almost absolutely keeping him.

Even if the Knicks wouldn't get to be legit contenders(and realistically as long as Lebron is in his prime, it's hard seeing anyone challenging them in the East), I don't think it would be the end of the world to have a team that made the playoffs with Melo for the next 2, 3, 4 years... maybe it would be the treadmill team everyone seems to hate, but as long as the team doesn't trade away picks or overpays players just to keep its status quo, it sure beats being bad with nothing but the hope of lucking out on the ping pong balls. I've warmed up to 'treadmill teams' and 'making the playoffs' as goals.

It really is a tricky position. I remember Kobe was forcing the Lakers hand and they went out and were gifted Gasol. Frazier says something very normal and this makes headlines everywhere. It always feels like this organization is on the edge. Ideally, Melo should come out at some point saying that he wants to retire a Knick and is committed to winning in NY with no conditions -- assuming he truly is and wants to be the franchise player. He's not just some rented gun that forced a trade(money exposure), that rejected better winning situations(less money) and now that he's set, he would want out. Maybe that would ease all these questions that will always loom about whether he'll ask out... or even if the organization would be better off trading him. As it is, everyone is second guessing everything and walking on eggshells.

Funny thing is he already did that after he signed his contract last year.

It doesn't matter what Melo says or does the witch hunt has begun like I said it was & it's not gonna stop unless we're in the playoffs.

Articles are gonna start coming out with maybe the team belongs to Porz & not Melo and soon the fans are gonna start agreeing with it.

Yep. If what Melo says doesn't fit the agenda at hand, ignore it. That's the strategy some of these guys have.

He says he wants to retire a Knick and has a no-trade clause in his contract.

[GONYK]

Even if the Knicks wouldn't get to be legit contenders(and realistically as long as Lebron is in his prime, it's hard seeing anyone challenging them in the East), I don't think it would be the end of the world to have a team that made the playoffs with Melo for the next 2, 3, 4 years... maybe it would be the treadmill team everyone seems to hate, but as long as the team doesn't trade away picks or overpays players just to keep its status quo, it sure beats being bad with nothing but the hope of lucking out on the ping pong balls. I've warmed up to 'treadmill teams' and 'making the playoffs' as goals.

It really is a tricky position. I remember Kobe was forcing the Lakers hand and they went out and were gifted Gasol. Frazier says something very normal and this makes headlines everywhere. It always feels like this organization is on the edge. Ideally, Melo should come out at some point saying that he wants to retire a Knick and is committed to winning in NY with no conditions -- assuming he truly is and wants to be the franchise player. He's not just some rented gun that forced a trade(money exposure), that rejected better winning situations(less money) and now that he's set, he would want out. Maybe that would ease all these questions that will always loom about whether he'll ask out... or even if the organization would be better off trading him. As it is, everyone is second guessing everything and walking on eggshells.

Funny thing is he already did that after he signed his contract last year.

It doesn't matter what Melo says or does the witch hunt has begun like I said it was & it's not gonna stop unless we're in the playoffs.

Articles are gonna start coming out with maybe the team belongs to Porz & not Melo and soon the fans are gonna start agreeing with it.

Yep. If what Melo says doesn't fit the agenda at hand, ignore it. That's the strategy some of these guys have.

He says he wants to retire a Knick and has a no-trade clause in his contract.

And signed a long-term deal with a paycut

[bleedblue3303]

The Knicks will be legitimate contenders 1 to 2 of these guys in our system will surprise u. Everyone is also on short term low contracts so we have many movable great pieces and parts. I am thrilled with this team.


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[Betta Bulleavit]

Not sure how my comments will be welcomed by I will offer them up anyway. As a Bulls fan, I honestly feel like the overwhelming likelihood is that the Bulls view the Melo ship as having sailed. But as another poster mentioned, there could come a point this season (likely close to the deadline) where the Bulls could come to the realization that they need another big gun if they are going to stand any type of chance at competing with Cleveland. And if Melo is available, they might opt to explore it.

Here's the thing. Even if it came to the Bulls revisiting the Melo situation, Butler is the absolute last player that they'd be looking to deal. Any deal with the Bulls would likely be centered around Noah, Mirotic and Snell as the players with a 2016 pick and perhaps the Kings pick coming back to NY. This might not be the deal that you guys would like. But it's highly probable that you wouldn't get a much better offer for Melo at this point.

[stuporman]

Not sure how my comments will be welcomed by I will offer them up anyway. As a Bulls fan, I honestly feel like the overwhelming likelihood is that the Bulls view the Melo ship as having sailed. But as another poster mentioned, there could come a point this season (likely close to the deadline) where the Bulls could come to the realization that they need another big gun if they are going to stand any type of chance at competing with Cleveland. And if Melo is available, they might opt to explore it.

Here's the thing. Even if it came to the Bulls revisiting the Melo situation, Butler is the absolute last player that they'd be looking to deal. Any deal with the Bulls would likely be centered around Noah, Mirotic and Snell as the players with a 2016 pick and perhaps the Kings pick coming back to NY. This might not be the deal that you guys would like. But it's highly probable that you wouldn't get a much better offer for Melo at this point.

As much as I love telling Bulls fans to STFU & GTFO I have to say that this offer isn't too bad for either side. Sure the Bulls get the best player in the deal and it helps them way more for the next few years than it does the Knicks but there's enough value coming back to the Knicks that it might entice Jackson only if Melo asks to be moved. Any protections on the pick? What year?

Both picks need to come over and I think Jackson might ask for McDermott or Portis instead of Snell but the rest of it looks like it might satisfy both teams. Noah is a bit of a duplication of what the Knicks have in Lopez as far as role and skill sets but he's in his last year of the contract so it would help in opening up another $13mil for next season's cap to pursue FAs.

This is on the condition that it actually comes to head and Melo asks out with his destinations being limited to where he will accept going. I am in no rush to trade Melo for spare parts and picks, look at what Denver did with the package they got for him, nuttin, Though, I wouldn't criticize this 'fan' offer even if I will have say now STFU & GTFO.... but come back again sometime.

[GYK]

Pretty good one
On Melo being to good of guy. Going along with everything. No off court foibles. No quotes at pressers that get attention.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2534669-carmelo-anthony-must-trust-ny-knicks-rebuild-phil-jacksonfor-now

[13ringsruling]

https://www.facebook.com/CarmeloAnthony/videos/843615242389064/

loving how hes going thru the pinch post actions. and some of you say melo hasnt bought in? lol this guy is gonna SHINE in the triangle just like kobe and michael did. he can get it in every position on the floor and do damage.

[stuporman]

Pretty good one
On Melo being to good of guy. Going along with everything. No off court foibles. No quotes at pressers that get attention.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2534669-carmelo-anthony-must-trust-ny-knicks-rebuild-phil-jacksonfor-now

Better than the shock shlock churned out by the usual suspects. I enjoyed it.

[Concrete Jungle]

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dude working on triangle based motions to get shots and he doesn't wanna be here

[MrProb]

https://www.facebook.com/CarmeloAnthony/videos/843615242389064/

dude working on triangle based motions to get shots and he doesn't wanna be here

Yup he clearly doesn't want to be here lol he's practicing the triangle to play some where else !

[13ringsruling]

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dude working on triangle based motions to get shots and he doesn't wanna be here

Yup he clearly doesn't want to be here lol he's practicing the triangle to play some where else !

dudes gonna BEAST in the triangle with guys who can hit shots around him. that catch in the post, dirk-leg fadeaway

[stuporman]

I can't stand that whole who's team is it bullisht...

[Thorn]

I still like LA as a trade partner, you could very easily assemble a trade for picks, and parts, and young players with potential. I also think Melo would waive his no trade clause for that move.

I honestly just don't see it.

Melo would basically just be waiving his NTC for better weather. The Lakers are no closer to winning anything of significance, and they are in a tougher conference.

From the Lakers end, it makes even less sense. Why trade young talent and assets for a 31 year old who doesn't really improve your prospects of winning in a serious way?

This trade won't happen. A trade is very unlikely because Melo won't go to a team that is just as far away from winning as we are, he won't want a team that must give up so much talent in exchange that they still can't compete, and we won't accept players/picks of no value in exchange for Melo.

So Melo is going to be here with us. He's going to play hard and make the most of it. We're going to be better.

In terms of him being here, and being better... I have zero concerns about Melo's ability to play. I do worry about the win now versus win later approach and straddling the fence between the two. While I love a long term vision and a plan that gives you the best possible option to win now AND later... the Melo trade fleeced us. We gave up too much in that trade and EVERYONE knows it. Not that Melo wasn't worth close to it but because it left us with a lot of holes and a lot fewer draft picks.

No reasonable scenario trade for Melo makes sense get it through your heads already.

I completely disagree, and you can speak if definitive terms and claim it is just the way it is and that is that as much as you like but everyone has an opinion and the right to speculate and talk here. There are PLENTY of trade options out there for Melo, it is just a matter of finding the right deal if that is what this franchise wants to do and that is the rub. I do not think they want to part ways with Melo it would be like Dolan admitting failure... again because he pushed the trade through, kicked Donnie Walsh to the curb and gave up way too much for Melo.

As for Melo not wanting to leave New York, to me that is a laughable debate. Melo has his money, Melo does not have a championship. Melo is 31, and he knows his window is closing. Sure he can do the Karl Malone thing and try to join a contender at the end of his career praying for a ring... but that doesn't work out all the time. (See Charles Barkley).

Since Melo has all he wants, and control over our trade partners, all it takes is him wanting out. Right now I think the odds are pretty good he doesn't finish his career in NY. Maybe it comes down to who blinks first and eats the negative press.

Anyone who tells me right now Melo is loyal to New York and would rather fail here than win a ring with LA, Miami, San Antonio, or Cleveland... I have to question how well you have been paying attention to Melo and his decision making process over the years. Mind you I am a fan of his as a player, and I don't even fault him for wanting to get paid. It isn't about that it is about understanding the man, he wants to get paid, he wants prestige, he wants respect, he wants to be known as one of the all time greats, and he wants to win.

Could Melo win in NY? Maybe, but it won't be this year. The year after? Phil better have a lot more Zen up his sleeve, and I have faith in him but in my opinion it is a journey that will take some time and Melo at 35 doesn't seem to me like a guy you win a ring with as your star player. Can he defer to other stars like Kris? Will Kris ever be a star? Meh... again I can't see the future, so I won't speak in the absolute terms you are using in your post but I can say I completely and emphatically disagree with you.

[j4remi]

Anyone who tells me right now Melo is loyal to New York and would rather fail here than win a ring with LA, Miami, San Antonio, or Cleveland... I have to question how well you have been paying attention to Melo and his decision making process over the years. Mind you I am a fan of his as a player, and I don't even fault him for wanting to get paid. It isn't about that it is about understanding the man, he wants to get paid, he wants prestige, he wants respect, he wants to be known as one of the all time greats, and he wants to win.

Could Melo win in NY? Maybe, but it won't be this year. The year after? Phil better have a lot more Zen up his sleeve, and I have faith in him but in my opinion it is a journey that will take some time and Melo at 35 doesn't seem to me like a guy you win a ring with as your star player. Can he defer to other stars like Kris? Will Kris ever be a star? Meh... again I can't see the future, so I won't speak in the absolute terms you are using in your post but I can say I completely and emphatically disagree with you.

I don't doubt that Melo would take a trade for a ring. I do have doubts that Melo would waive his clause for a deal that would be beneficial enough to us to trade him. What are the Spurs, Miami, Cleveland and LA giving up to get him? Because it has to be good enough to entice the Knicks and it has to be bad enough that the team receiving Melo remains a championship lock or close to it. Melo is measured about his interests for sure and waiving the clause to get eliminated in the second round would be more damaging to his brand than staying in NY and never winning ring. Phil meanwhile has proven stubborn and head strong enough that he won't be bullied into making a move he doesn't approve of. Then you have to add the other franchise into the mix and what they're actually willing to deal for Melo. Close out with the fact that they'll have to make salaries match also and I'd say it's unlikely that everything falls into place to make a deal happen.

To simplify it to the extreme though; my belief is that if we're a bad enough team that Melo wants out, his value will be extremely low. If Melo is playing well enough that teams are making offers we can't refuse, then in all likelihood the team will be good enough that he won't ask out.

[duetta]

How about we just let the season play out - and allow the future to attend to itself?

[GONYK]

Anyone who tells me right now Melo is loyal to New York and would rather fail here than win a ring with LA, Miami, San Antonio, or Cleveland... I have to question how well you have been paying attention to Melo and his decision making process over the years. Mind you I am a fan of his as a player, and I don't even fault him for wanting to get paid. It isn't about that it is about understanding the man, he wants to get paid, he wants prestige, he wants respect, he wants to be known as one of the all time greats, and he wants to win.

Could Melo win in NY? Maybe, but it won't be this year. The year after? Phil better have a lot more Zen up his sleeve, and I have faith in him but in my opinion it is a journey that will take some time and Melo at 35 doesn't seem to me like a guy you win a ring with as your star player. Can he defer to other stars like Kris? Will Kris ever be a star? Meh... again I can't see the future, so I won't speak in the absolute terms you are using in your post but I can say I completely and emphatically disagree with you.

I don't doubt that Melo would take a trade for a ring. I do have doubts that Melo would waive his clause for a deal that would be beneficial enough to us to trade him. What are the Spurs, Miami, Cleveland and LA giving up to get him? Because it has to be good enough to entice the Knicks and it has to be bad enough that the team receiving Melo remains a championship lock or close to it. Melo is measured about his interests for sure and waiving the clause to get eliminated in the second round would be more damaging to his brand than staying in NY and never winning ring. Phil meanwhile has proven stubborn and head strong enough that he won't be bullied into making a move he doesn't approve of. Then you have to add the other franchise into the mix and what they're actually willing to deal for Melo. Close out with the fact that they'll have to make salaries match also and I'd say it's unlikely that everything falls into place to make a deal happen.

To simplify it to the extreme though; my belief is that if we're a bad enough team that Melo wants out, his value will be extremely low. If Melo is playing well enough that teams are making offers we can't refuse, then in all likelihood the team will be good enough that he won't ask out.

This is why all this Melo talk is so misguided. There are not plenty of trade options.

Sure you can say that Melo would waive his NTC for the Spurs, Miami, Cleveland and LA...in theory. I'll buy that for the sake of argument.

Now, why would the Spurs give up assets to get Melo? They have never expressed an interest in him, and have been winning championships just fine without him. What could they even give up that matches salary, doesn't damage them as a team, and is worth it to us? Same goes for the Clippers (the Lakers should not even be in this conversation if we're being rational). Are we just going to trade Melo for late 1sts?

Cleveland? All they can really give up is Love. Not sure that is really worth it for either side.

Miami can offer Winslow and Whiteside...but then they aren't really a contending team anymore. So what is the point?

I think the basic assumption that is getting in people in trouble is that every team that Melo wants will automatically want him in return. I just don't think that is true.

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[Fat Kat]

How about we just let the season play out - and allow the future to attend to itself?