Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[bwgood77]

Phoenix Suns: Drawing Up Potential Markieff Morris Trades

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2015/08/08/phoenix-suns-drawing-potential-markieff-morris-trades/

I don't think the Suns would want Gibson. He's a nice player, but he has no range. I can't see why the Pelicans would trade Ryan Anderson, especially with Gentry there, who likes to spread the floor. Maybe if it was a three way trade and they got Frye with Orlando getting Kieff, but that's still a downgrade for NO (only reason to do it is because they could lose Anderson next summer). Houston wouldn't want Morris...they want 3 pt shooters only.

The rest of the deals could happen. Looking at Marvin Williams #s, they are not bad. He's 29, but he could maybe provide leadership. It is low value, but it is probably going to be something like him or Frye. That McRoberts/Chalmers deal actually isn't bad either. McRoberts can stretch the floor. Landry's a hard worker but he's not a fit.

So I think only three of those deals are feasible, and they are all low value. If we could get Marvin, Frye, or McRoberts/Chalmers AND a first rounder, then it might be enough to pull the trigger.

I am not a Markieff's fan, but even to me those three more possible trades are really low offers.

Marvin Williams can be out of the league or playing for the minimun in 2016, I am not joking. He was terrible last year on both ends of the floor.

I like McRoberts, but he was out with a big injury last year so we don't even know if he is really healthy, he is a high risk player. BTW, we don't need Chalmers at all.

Frye played really bad for Orlando last year, and we don't have Dragic here anymore. With Chandler and Price we have veterans and he is clearly on the downside of his career so I wouldn't trade for him if Orlando doesn't attached to him an asset of great value .

I
know they are low value but I can't seem to think of a player that fits our team AND has equal value which is why I said a first would need to be included.

[Saberestar]

I don't think the Suns would want Gibson. He's a nice player, but he has no range. I can't see why the Pelicans would trade Ryan Anderson, especially with Gentry there, who likes to spread the floor. Maybe if it was a three way trade and they got Frye with Orlando getting Kieff, but that's still a downgrade for NO (only reason to do it is because they could lose Anderson next summer). Houston wouldn't want Morris...they want 3 pt shooters only.

The rest of the deals could happen. Looking at Marvin Williams #s, they are not bad. He's 29, but he could maybe provide leadership. It is low value, but it is probably going to be something like him or Frye. That McRoberts/Chalmers deal actually isn't bad either. McRoberts can stretch the floor. Landry's a hard worker but he's not a fit.

So I think only three of those deals are feasible, and they are all low value. If we could get Marvin, Frye, or McRoberts/Chalmers AND a first rounder, then it might be enough to pull the trigger.

I am not a Markieff's fan, but even to me those three more possible trades are really low offers.

Marvin Williams can be out of the league or playing for the minimun in 2016, I am not joking. He was terrible last year on both ends of the floor.

I like McRoberts, but he was out with a big injury last year so we don't even know if he is really healthy, he is a high risk player. BTW, we don't need Chalmers at all.

Frye played really bad for Orlando last year, and we don't have Dragic here anymore. With Chandler and Price we have veterans and he is clearly on the downside of his career so I wouldn't trade for him if Orlando doesn't attached to him an asset of great value .

I
know they are low value but I can't seem to think of a player that fits our team AND has equal value which is why I said a first would need to be included.

Cody Zeller and Patrick Patterson, for example.
But I prefer alternative options...in another post I said that we can trade for a young player with upside like Kyle Anderson ...we would need a thid team involved.

[JacobHoward]

Man, Cousins needs to demand a trade to Phoenix. Him and Bled are tight.




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Any way we can turn this into a good trade. Kieff wants out of Phoenix and Cousins want out of Sac. Of course, I am not suggesting anything close to a straight up trade. Maybe Kieff, Len, PJ and picks.

BTW. I do think there is a chance this will blow over. Anyone remember how volatile the situation was in Sac just before the draft. That seems to have calmed down some.

Cousins has never said he wants out of Sac. Karl wanted him traded, but DeMarcus has said nothing. At this point, it looks like Cousins and Karl are working things out.

[bwgood77]

Man, Cousins needs to demand a trade to Phoenix. Him and Bled are tight.




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Any way we can turn this into a good trade. Kieff wants out of Phoenix and Cousins want out of Sac. Of course, I am not suggesting anything close to a straight up trade. Maybe Kieff, Len, PJ and picks.

BTW. I do think there is a chance this will blow over. Anyone remember how volatile the situation was in Sac just before the draft. That seems to have calmed down some.

Cousins has never said he wants out of Sac. Karl wanted him traded, but DeMarcus has said nothing. At this point, it looks like Cousins and Karl are working things out.

Yeah, Cousins isn't going anywhere any time soon.

[Qwigglez]

Kieff/Len/Warren/Goodwin 2 x Miami 1st, Cleveland's 1st for Paul George.
Bledsoe/Knight/Tucker/George/Chandler
We run a super hybrid up-tempo style lineup. Okay just kidding, Pacers would never trade Pauly.

[Revived]

I think something like Ariza and Jones or Motiejunas for Tucker and Kieff is probably our best bet.

Probably Jones because of McD's love for Kentucky.

[Revived]

I don't think the Suns would want Gibson. He's a nice player, but he has no range. I can't see why the Pelicans would trade Ryan Anderson, especially with Gentry there, who likes to spread the floor. Maybe if it was a three way trade and they got Frye with Orlando getting Kieff, but that's still a downgrade for NO (only reason to do it is because they could lose Anderson next summer). Houston wouldn't want Morris...they want 3 pt shooters only.

The rest of the deals could happen. Looking at Marvin Williams #s, they are not bad. He's 29, but he could maybe provide leadership. It is low value, but it is probably going to be something like him or Frye. That McRoberts/Chalmers deal actually isn't bad either. McRoberts can stretch the floor. Landry's a hard worker but he's not a fit.

So I think only three of those deals are feasible, and they are all low value. If we could get Marvin, Frye, or McRoberts/Chalmers AND a first rounder, then it might be enough to pull the trigger.

I am not a Markieff's fan, but even to me those three more possible trades are really low offers.

Marvin Williams can be out of the league or playing for the minimun in 2016, I am not joking. He was terrible last year on both ends of the floor.

I like McRoberts, but he was out with a big injury last year so we don't even know if he is really healthy, he is a high risk player. BTW, we don't need Chalmers at all.

Frye played really bad for Orlando last year, and we don't have Dragic here anymore. With Chandler and Price we have veterans and he is clearly on the downside of his career so I wouldn't trade for him if Orlando doesn't attached to him an asset of great value .

I
know they are low value but I can't seem to think of a player that fits our team AND has equal value which is why I said a first would need to be included.

Miami has no firsts to trade for a long time. Nothing on their roster other than Dragic, Bosh, Winslow and Whiteside have any value and their not trading any of them.

Orlando would need to give us their unprotected 1st and Gordon for them to dump Frye on us while giving Kieff in return.

Charlotte would need to trade an unprotected 1st for the Suns to even answer the phone.

[Stix]

I think something like Ariza and Jones or Motiejunas for Tucker and Kieff is probably our best bet.

Probably Jones because of McD's love for Kentucky.

There is no way Houston even considers that. They are stacked as it is, no reason to bring on Kieff who is still butthurt over not being on the same team as his twin. Your lucky if you get Jones for Kieff let alone Monte and then Ariza to boot? Go try posting that on the Rockets board, they will all think you are crazy.

[bwgood77]

Miami has no firsts to trade for a long time. Nothing on their roster other than Dragic, Bosh, Winslow and Whiteside have any value and their not trading any of them.

Orlando would need to give us their unprotected 1st and Gordon for them to dump Frye on us while giving Kieff in return.

Charlotte would need to trade an unprotected 1st for the Suns to even answer the phone.

So if those three offers were the only offers on the table, the ones I mentioned with a lotto protected first, you just decide to roll with Kieff?

[bwgood77]

I think something like Ariza and Jones or Motiejunas for Tucker and Kieff is probably our best bet.

Probably Jones because of McD's love for Kentucky.

There is no way Houston even considers that. They are stacked as it is, no reason to bring on Kieff who is still butthurt over not being on the same team as his twin. Your lucky if you get Jones for Kieff let alone Monte and then Ariza to boot? Go try posting that on the Rockets board, they will all think you are crazy.

A similar trade was already posted on the trade board and everyone who responded said Houston would never do it. I don't even think most were Houston fans.

[Stix]

I think the best best is just to trade KIeff for Ilysova straight up. Although, Detroit brass most likely knows they have us by the nuts so they are probably looking to get something else out of us, meanwhile McD is probably looking at other options where there will be few if any. No one wants to trade for a disgruntled player who is looking to start.

I think we need to start rolling out the Welcome to Phoenix Ersan banners soon. Wow, what an offseason. From LaMarcus Aldridge to Ersan Ilysova. Quite a difference there.

[bwgood77]

I think the best best is just to trade KIeff for Ilysova straight up. Although, Detroit brass most likely knows they have us by the nuts so they are probably looking to get something else out of us, meanwhile McD is probably looking at other options where there will be few if any. No one wants to trade for a disgruntled player who is looking to start.

I think we need to start rolling out the Welcome to Phoenix Ersan banners soon. Wow, what an offseason. From LaMarcus Aldridge to Ersan Ilysova. Quite a difference there.

If you were Detroit, would you seriously pair these guys up again after the last year? SVG likes to spread the floor around his stud center and Markieff is a midrange guy. I'd be a little surprised if Detroit did that deal.

[Stix]

I think the best best is just to trade KIeff for Ilysova straight up. Although, Detroit brass most likely knows they have us by the nuts so they are probably looking to get something else out of us, meanwhile McD is probably looking at other options where there will be few if any. No one wants to trade for a disgruntled player who is looking to start.

I think we need to start rolling out the Welcome to Phoenix Ersan banners soon. Wow, what an offseason. From LaMarcus Aldridge to Ersan Ilysova. Quite a difference there.

If you were Detroit, would you seriously pair these guys up again after the last year? SVG likes to spread the floor around his stud center and Markieff is a midrange guy. I'd be a little surprised if Detroit did that deal.

IMO if there was a franchise out there that would pair them up again, it would be the Detroit Pistons.

[bwgood77]

I think the best best is just to trade KIeff for Ilysova straight up. Although, Detroit brass most likely knows they have us by the nuts so they are probably looking to get something else out of us, meanwhile McD is probably looking at other options where there will be few if any. No one wants to trade for a disgruntled player who is looking to start.

I think we need to start rolling out the Welcome to Phoenix Ersan banners soon. Wow, what an offseason. From LaMarcus Aldridge to Ersan Ilysova. Quite a difference there.

If you were Detroit, would you seriously pair these guys up again after the last year? SVG likes to spread the floor around his stud center and Markieff is a midrange guy. I'd be a little surprised if Detroit did that deal.

IMO if there was a franchise out there that would pair them up again, it would be the Detroit Pistons.

I was actually thinking the same as I was typing that, but I don't think SVG would do it, not when Illy is a better 3 pt shooter.

[saintEscaton]

Orlando would need to give us their unprotected 1st and Gordon for them to dump Frye on us while giving Kieff in return.

Charlotte would need to trade an unprotected 1st for the Suns to even answer the phone.

Did you forget the green font? I'm sure any NBA exec would laugh at such a ridiculous asking price/counter offer. Common SF88 I though you would be the last poster to overvalue our trash such an extent. Like I said we'd be lucky to receive a serviceable role player or a protected late first from a playoff bound team

[Stix]

IMO if there was a franchise out there that would pair them up again, it would be the Detroit Pistons.

I was actually thinking the same as I was typing that, but I don't think SVG would do it, not when Illy is a better 3 pt shooter.

True, but he is also a bit older and more injury prone. He is a decent player and can start, but you never know when he will break. I remember a year or two ago he got a nasty concussion and missed a considerable amount of time and they weren't sure if he would come back the same. That said, I think it's a fair switch and Illy can benefit from our med staff, Kieff and Mo can benefit from being in a city where most of their fans carry concealed weapons.

[Mulhollanddrive]

To become a contender with our Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler core, there's only 2 positions left to upgrade.

So even if we make it to 5th seed for example, we're still going to need to get rid of Tucker and Morris from the starting line up at some point to get better.

[Revived]

Orlando would need to give us their unprotected 1st and Gordon for them to dump Frye on us while giving Kieff in return.

Charlotte would need to trade an unprotected 1st for the Suns to even answer the phone.

Did you forget the green font? I'm sure any NBA exec would laugh at such a ridiculous asking price/counter offer. Common SF88 I though you would be the last poster to overvalue our trash such an extent. Like I said we'd be lucky to receive a serviceable role player or a protected late first from a playoff bound team

Frye has negative value. Why the hell would we give up Kieff for him? Kieff should still bring in positive value even if it's not overly generous.

Marvin Williams is trash. I don't know what he's still doing in the NBA.

I would rather flat out cut Kieff or suspend him (if he doesn't show up at team events and meetings and practices) than take on either Marvin Williams or Channing Frye.

My counter was ridiculous, agreed but it's not any more ridiculous than the original offers from that BSOTS article.

[Revived]

I think something like Ariza and Jones or Motiejunas for Tucker and Kieff is probably our best bet.

Probably Jones because of McD's love for Kentucky.

There is no way Houston even considers that. They are stacked as it is, no reason to bring on Kieff who is still butthurt over not being on the same team as his twin. Your lucky if you get Jones for Kieff let alone Monte and then Ariza to boot? Go try posting that on the Rockets board, they will all think you are crazy.

I said Jones OR Motiejunas, not both. And they can replace Ariza with the cheaper Tucker.

And you realize Houston doesn't have the cap space to keep them both right? Their both FAs next summer and next summer is when every single basketball player in America gets overpaid like hell. Rockets can't keep them both.

McHale did wonders for Josh Smith, I think they would be willing to take that risk with Kieff as well.

[letsgosuns]

I doubt the Rockets want anything to do with Markieff. Remember they traded Marcus to the Suns a couple years ago for a second round pick. They know what it is like to employ a Morris brother.