Pacers 2015/16 Starting 5 and Reserves

[Gunner 44]

There was a verbal agreement on July 2. Time will tell.

[Scoot McGroot]

Think you are going to find these two guys are very mature young men with pretty good basketball IQ's. They already have a better understanding of the game right now while Lance probably never will get it to be honest. Watching Lance here in Charlotte this season was awful. Very poor basketball player is the best way to describe his play. Lance needs to give about 75 cents on the dollar back to Frank and Larry. May be the most over paid athlete in pro sports.

I would agree that they're mature. I would also say that Lance is also a tremendous pure talent. So, 6 of one, a half dozen of the other?

Either way, Rakeem Christmas is a guy who's played almost nothing but extensive zone defense in the Syracuse system for 4 years. It's going to take a bit of work and practice to be back to playing heavy, and predominately man defense, especially in the NBA.

[Wizop]

There was a verbal agreement on July 2. Time will tell.

verbal agreements are worth the paper they are written on. Louie Meyer, I think

perhaps we did talk to Lavoy in early July but it isn't just players who can change their mind before the actual contract is signed. if we thought the Christmas signing removed the need for Allen, we could have backed out of the unsigned deal. we didn't and we shouldn't have. Christmas, Whittington, and Robinson will rotate as inactives.

[8305]

Think you are going to find these two guys are very mature young men with pretty good basketball IQ's. They already have a better understanding of the game right now while Lance probably never will get it to be honest. Watching Lance here in Charlotte this season was awful. Very poor basketball player is the best way to describe his play. Lance needs to give about 75 cents on the dollar back to Frank and Larry. May be the most over paid athlete in pro sports.

I would agree that they're mature. I would also say that Lance is also a tremendous pure talent. So, 6 of one, a half dozen of the other?

Either way, Rakeem Christmas is a guy who's played almost nothing but extensive zone defense in the Syracuse system for 4 years. It's going to take a bit of work and practice to be back to playing heavy, and predominately man defense, especially in the NBA.

Agree, don't think the Pacers would be expecting much from Christmas given his defensive role at Syracuse. I could see Young getting more of an opportunity this year. Did we ever see anything particularly positive when Stuckey was working the point last year?

[Scoot McGroot]

There was a verbal agreement on July 2. Time will tell.

verbal agreements are worth the paper they are written on. Louie Meyer, I think

perhaps we did talk to Lavoy in early July but it isn't just players who can change their mind before the actual contract is signed. if we thought the Christmas signing removed the need for Allen, we could have backed out of the unsigned deal. we didn't and we shouldn't have. Christmas, Whittington, and Robinson will rotate as inactives.

The ramifications of that with players and agents makes it immensely unlikely to happen. If teams agree, legally they could back out. Realistically, no. Unless the player ends up failing a physical.

[PacerNation24]

George Hill/Joe Young
Monta Ellis/Rodney Stuckey
C.J. Miles/Chase Budinger/Solomon Hill
Paul George/Lavoy Allen/Rakeem Christmas/Shayne Whittington
Jordan Hill/Myles Turner/Ian Mahinmi

^
I think this starts the game but I hope we finish with this:

George Hill
Monta Ellis
Paul George
Jordan Hill
Turner or Mahinmi

[mizzoupacers]

G. Hill
Ellis
PG13
J. Hill
Turner

I think Turner will start due to lack of alternatives (they wouldn't really start Mahinmi, would they?)

Who was the last rookie to start for the Pacers? Tinsley?

[pacers33granger]

I'd assume after Jordan Hill's incident today he won't be starting, at least on day one.

[Miller4ever]

G. Hill
Ellis
PG13
J. Hill
Turner

I think Turner will start due to lack of alternatives (they wouldn't really start Mahinmi, would they?)

Who was the last rookie to start for the Pacers? Tinsley?

Paul George started 19 games in his first year. Hibbert started 42 games his rookie year. Brandon Rush started 19 games. There might be more.

I think Turner is a fast learner. I wouldn't be surprised if he thrives as early as preseason play and earns the starting role.

[sleepless 43]

How about Carl Anthony Towns for Paul George?

[PacerNation24]

How about Carl Anthony Towns for Paul George?

no

[boomershadow]

Hill/Stuckey
Ellis/Stuckey
(PG)/Miles/S Hill
(PG)/J Hill/Allen
Mahinmi/Turner

Vogel said we are looking at a ten player rotation. Thats my best guess currently. It gets Stuckey a decent amount of playing time, keeps a rim protecting center on the floor at all times, uses Hill and Allen at power forward as energy guys against the teams with big PFs that can score (Memphis, San Antonio, maybe Washington) and has Miles and S Hill at the 3 for shooting and defense, respectively. PG can spend more time at the 3 or 4 depending on matchup. And S Hill and Allen's minutes can vary accordingly, possibly pretty wildly.

[Wizop]

I think you have the right 10 players although Bud may challenge Solo. I also think there will be nights where we go big with Mahinmi and Turner on the floor together and nights where we go small with J Hill and Allen getting time at the 5. really Mahinmi is the only one of the 10 who only has one position. 8 guys have 2 positions and PG has 3 on offense and 4 on defense. I hope we use 10 guys but don't have a set rotation where the substitutions are made by the clock.

[Moooose]

Saw this on the Indianapolis star via Rotowire:

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2015/09/24/pacers-coach-frank-vogel-paul-george-projected-start-power-forward/72627034/

Vogel's initial starting lineup:

PG: George Hill
SG : Monta Ellis
SF: CJ Miles
PF: George Hill
C: Ian Mahimi

I don't know what to feel, but CJ Miles in the starting lineup means we're going all offense. And this would also mean a bigger load on George on the defensive end. I like it in a way, but I'd rather see Jordan Hill start at the 5, and make Mahinmi come off the bench.

I kinda like Solo to be the starting 3, to do things ala Draymond Green, but really cannot blame Vogel if he thinks Miles is better. I am thinking Budinger is also better than Solo, but Bud can play that off the bench small four.

[Scoot McGroot]

Saw this on the Indianapolis star via Rotowire:

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2015/09/24/pacers-coach-frank-vogel-paul-george-projected-start-power-forward/72627034/

Vogel's initial starting lineup:

PG: George Hill
SG : Monta Ellis
SF: CJ Miles
PF: George Hill
C: Ian Mahimi

I don't know what to feel, but CJ Miles in the starting lineup means we're going all offense. And this would also mean a bigger load on George on the defensive end. I like it in a way, but I'd rather see Jordan Hill start at the 5, and make Mahinmi come off the bench.

I kinda like Solo to be the starting 3, to do things ala Draymond Green, but really cannot blame Vogel if he thinks Miles is better. I am thinking Budinger is also better than Solo, but Bud can play that off the bench small four.

I think George Hill at PG and Ian Mahinmi at C mean a lot of defense, to go with Paul George at PF. Add in that CJ Miles was a sneaky good defensive player last year, and I have no issue with that lineup.

Ultimately, I see no difference between Jordan Hill or Ian Mahinmi at center. Both will likely be flawed players who do different things well; Jordan at boxing out and rebounding, and Ian at defending the rim. I'd hope Solo could earn a starting spot, but I'm not sure he's getting minutes at all yet with this lineup. He's still got to earn something.

[Moooose]

^After watching these first few games, looks like we really need to alter things a bit, IMO. The defense is not there. Mahinmi and George Hill are not enough. As good as a defensive player PG is, he would need another perimeter defender alongside him. This is exactly what my gut feeling was when we are looking to load up on offense - that the team defense in whole would take a good hit.

After this previous loss to the Jazz, I am thinking maybe Solo should start instead of Miles. CJ Miles would be good in the second unit as a scorer. I just don't see the current roster being capable of matching up with the other offenses mano-a-mano.

What I'd like to try:

Starters:
C = Ian Mahinmi
PF = Paul George
SF = Solomon Hill
SG = Monta Ellis
PG = George Hill

2nd Unit:
c= Jordan Hill / Myles Turner
PF = Myles Turner / Lavoy Allen
SF = CJ Miles / Chase Budinger
SG = Rodney Stuckey / CJ Miles
PG = Joe Young / Rodney Stuckey

[Wizop]

Is it too early to start a draft thread? I see no reason to waste a year with Turner at five. I'd start him at the four and move Paul back to the wing. Might as well play young and grob too. Wins aren't as important as player development this year.

[8305]

Is it too early to start a draft thread? I see no reason to waste a year with Turner at five. I'd start him at the four and move Paul back to the wing. Might as well play young and grob too. Wins aren't as important as player development this year.

You've gotta wonder how long Vogel goes before Turner steps in at the 4 and Monta moves to the bench, CJ slides down to the 2 and PG13 moves back to his normal position. You shop Stuckey and Bud for a backup pg.

[Wizop]

I like Turner at four but I start Ellis and move cj to the bench.