State of the Salary Cap for all teams in Summer of 2016

[yoyojw17]

There was a a podcast discussing the potential situations for all the teams in the summer of 2016. Was a good listen and looked into many possibilities that might swirl around the league.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238989/Duncd-On-Pod-2016-Offseason-Preview

Orlando talk ~ Minute 77:50

SUMMARY
*In the discussion about us they stated that we would be within $15.5-16 million range for 2016... lower than what you would expect for our team.

*we will have cap holds of $6mil for nicholson and fournier... with nicholson probably not returning but fourniers will probably be retained. This would put us close to the $21 mil range depending on fourniers contract.

*Went on to not being sure what we needed as we had appealing prospects at all positions... except the looming need of a rim protector if the defense isn't where we want it to be

* Possibly contending for the playoffs this season and becoming a good destination free agents

*Maybe getting in the market for Nene or Noah (as compliment to vuc with more limited minutes)

*"keeping our powder dry for the future" when improvements are made and things are looking good... not expected too be huge players

*mentioned/suggested eric gordon as a starter salaried backup.... blaaaaah

[Viper1500]

The obvious answer is to go after Horford, however there is about 0% chance of him leaving Atlanta for Orlando. I'd even like to go after Ryan Anderson if possible, especially if this team can somehow dump Frye.

Nene is not a good compliment to Vuc, at all. Terrible shot blocker, horrible on D and 32 years old... Pass

[BadMofoPimp]

Magic would have to be a playoff team this upcoming season in order to be a player in Free Agency next summer. Otherwise, all the Magic can truly target are the Frye's and Jason Smiths of the league . . .

We all saw what making the playoffs did for Milwaukee. They added Monroe to an already stacked young talented roster.

[Tayswagzzz]

I'd throw money back at Anderson if we had a shot blocking, defensive anchor at center.

Our only hope outside of a trade or FA next year is that Aaron Gordon does that at PF.

[ezzzp]

The obvious answer is to go after Horford, however there is about 0% chance of him leaving Atlanta for Orlando. I'd even like to go after Ryan Anderson if possible, especially if this team can somehow dump Frye.

Nene is not a good compliment to Vuc, at all. Terrible shot blocker, horrible on D and 32 years old... Pass

I guess you forgot how utterly horrific Ryan Anderson was and is on defense, he makes Frye look like Mutombo. An Anderson + Vucevic pairing would be the worse defensive duo in NBA.

[tooler]

Yeah the salary cap doesn't matter much if there aren't any good and realistic free agents. Horford is one, but if Gordon and Tobias improve and play well together, why bother? Let's see what happens first.

[ralphie9898]

Magic would have to be a playoff team this upcoming season in order to be a player in Free Agency next summer. Otherwise, all the Magic can truly target are the Frye's and Jason Smiths of the league . . .

We all saw what making the playoffs did for Milwaukee. They added Monroe to an already stacked young talented roster.

Uh we got pretty close to getting Paul Milsap. And yeah winning does help but it isn't the end all as far as attracting FAs. We have seen bigger level guys sign with losers before. A young team if we show improvement and have the cap space we could still be an attractive destination for someone. Of course with the new cap hike coming in a lot of people will have money(even some of the good ones) but I wouldn't rule anything out just yet.

[Viper1500]

The obvious answer is to go after Horford, however there is about 0% chance of him leaving Atlanta for Orlando. I'd even like to go after Ryan Anderson if possible, especially if this team can somehow dump Frye.

Nene is not a good compliment to Vuc, at all. Terrible shot blocker, horrible on D and 32 years old... Pass

I guess you forgot how utterly horrific Ryan Anderson was and is on defense, he makes Frye look like Mutombo. An Anderson + Vucevic pairing would be the worse defensive duo in NBA.

In no way did I mean start next to Vucevic. I think he'd be great off the bench

[ezzzp]

The obvious answer is to go after Horford, however there is about 0% chance of him leaving Atlanta for Orlando. I'd even like to go after Ryan Anderson if possible, especially if this team can somehow dump Frye.

Nene is not a good compliment to Vuc, at all. Terrible shot blocker, horrible on D and 32 years old... Pass

I guess you forgot how utterly horrific Ryan Anderson was and is on defense, he makes Frye look like Mutombo. An Anderson + Vucevic pairing would be the worse defensive duo in NBA.

In no way did I mean start next to Vucevic. I think he'd be great off the bench

Even off bench, what does he bring off the bench that Frye doesn't do for cheaper?

• Frye shoots a higher 3pt% = .386 vs .379

• As crazy as it sounds Frye is a better defender - that's how bad Anderson is at D... Anderson -1.9 DBPM vs Frye +0.2 DBPM

• Frye is also a better shot blocker BPG 1.5 vs 0.8 and 2.1 BLK% vs 1.2 BLK%

...only thing Anderson brings is rebounding but that is not a Magic need. Is that worth what it will cost to sign Anderson under the new cap inflation, especially when Frye's deal is only going to get cheaper and cheaper (in per year amount and in cap to annual salary ratio) over the next three seasons?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=fryech01&p2=anderry01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

[OrlChamps2030]

I guess you forgot how utterly horrific Ryan Anderson was and is on defense, he makes Frye look like Mutombo. An Anderson + Vucevic pairing would be the worse defensive duo in NBA.

In no way did I mean start next to Vucevic. I think he'd be great off the bench

Even off bench, what does he bring off the bench that Frye doesn't do for cheaper?

• Frye shoots a higher 3pt% = .386 vs .379

• As crazy as it sounds Frye is a better defender - that's how bad Anderson is at D... Anderson -1.9 DBPM vs Frye +0.2 DBPM

• Frye is also a better shot blocker BPG 1.5 vs 0.8 and 2.1 BLK% vs 1.2 BLK%

...only thing Anderson brings is rebounding but that is not a Magic need. Is that worth what it will cost to sign Anderson under the new cap inflation, especially when Frye's deal is only going to get cheaper and cheaper (in per year amount and in cap to annual salary ratio) over the next three seasons?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=fryech01&p2=anderry01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

ryno also fouls less, gets to the line more, has a higher PER, and is better on the offensive boards

wow at Frye having a PER of 9 last year i didnt know he played that bad for us

[ezzzp]

In no way did I mean start next to Vucevic. I think he'd be great off the bench

Even off bench, what does he bring off the bench that Frye doesn't do for cheaper?

• Frye shoots a higher 3pt% = .386 vs .379

• As crazy as it sounds Frye is a better defender - that's how bad Anderson is at D... Anderson -1.9 DBPM vs Frye +0.2 DBPM

• Frye is also a better shot blocker BPG 1.5 vs 0.8 and 2.1 BLK% vs 1.2 BLK%

...only thing Anderson brings is rebounding but that is not a Magic need. Is that worth what it will cost to sign Anderson under the new cap inflation, especially when Frye's deal is only going to get cheaper and cheaper (in per year amount and in cap to annual salary ratio) over the next three seasons?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=fryech01&p2=anderry01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

ryno also fouls less, gets to the line more, has a higher PER, and is better on the offensive boards

wow at Frye having a PER of 9 last year i didnt know he played that bad for us

I'm no Frye apologist but let's see what his impact is with an NBA level coach - last season was a statistical anomaly for Frye so it could be a crazy fast decline or that JV sucked and couldn't figure out how to use him.

Anderson fouling less only confirms the eyes test of his comical nightly running away from contact...also offensive rebounding is not a need on this team, Magic get good rebounding from all positions.

Is that worth $12m per year which will be Ryno's range (and for a bench player too)... and it wouldn't be surprising if that number went higher with cap increasing to $110m the following season? ...vs what Frye gets ($8m / $7.8m / $7.4m over next three years?

[purpleswordfish]

Even off bench, what does he bring off the bench that Frye doesn't do for cheaper?

• Frye shoots a higher 3pt% = .386 vs .379

• As crazy as it sounds Frye is a better defender - that's how bad Anderson is at D... Anderson -1.9 DBPM vs Frye +0.2 DBPM

• Frye is also a better shot blocker BPG 1.5 vs 0.8 and 2.1 BLK% vs 1.2 BLK%

...only thing Anderson brings is rebounding but that is not a Magic need. Is that worth what it will cost to sign Anderson under the new cap inflation, especially when Frye's deal is only going to get cheaper and cheaper (in per year amount and in cap to annual salary ratio) over the next three seasons?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=fryech01&p2=anderry01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

ryno also fouls less, gets to the line more, has a higher PER, and is better on the offensive boards

wow at Frye having a PER of 9 last year i didnt know he played that bad for us

I'm no Frye apologist but let's see what his impact is with an NBA level coach - last season was a statistical anomaly for Frye so it could be a crazy fast decline or that JV sucked and couldn't figure out how to use him.

Anderson fouling less only confirms the eyes test of his comical nightly running away from contact...also offensive rebounding is not a need on this team, Magic get good rebounding from all positions.

Is that worth $12m per year which will be Ryno's range (and for a bench player too)... and it wouldn't be surprising if that number went higher with cap increasing to $110m the following season? ...vs what Frye gets ($8m / $7.8m / $7.4m over next three years?

Apologist - a person who defends or supports something (such as a religion, cause, or organization) that is being criticized or attacked by other people.

Yeah, you're a Frye apologist. You can blame coaching all you want, but it's not like Jacque Vaughn told Frye to go out there and suck as bad as he did. Don't get me wrong, Jacque failed as a head coach in a lot of ways. But, I have a really hard time believing a bad head coach somehow made a 31 year old basketball player shoot for a career low FG%, get to the line less than ever before in his career and rebound at a horrendous rate. There is only so much you can blame on coaching.

He had what was arguably the worst season of his career last year and his deal goes for another 3 excruciating years. Luckily, the cap hit goes down over time, but it's still money that could be spent elsewhere. Why do people continue to defend this deal? Let me guess: I'm short-sighted and can't see how it fits into the Hennigan rebuild.

[The Other Ankle]

The obvious answer is to go after Horford, however there is about 0% chance of him leaving Atlanta for Orlando.

We should still offer Horford a huge contract as the best free agent available. There are potential, if unlikely reasons that he might come here: He's from DR. He's a UF Alum. New wife/baby, might actually prefer Orlando. And what if we perform better than expected this season and Atlanta falls off considerably? They looked bad in the playoffs and lost their glue guy and best perimeter defender this summer. So it's at least conceivable that we might look better from a basketball perspective going forward from 2016.

Who knows what will happen with Atlanta, really? They are well coached. But Al would rather play PF than Center and Milsap can only play PF. They have two new centers, lost their Small Forward, and their Shooting Guard just had surgery on his ankles. They might not be so shiny next year and we might look good with our stable of young players. Al could start at PF and play part-time Center when Vuc sits. His minutes would be a huge upgrade for us at both positions and we truly need a veteran starter to lead by example. Young teams do not win in this league.

[ezzzp]

ryno also fouls less, gets to the line more, has a higher PER, and is better on the offensive boards

wow at Frye having a PER of 9 last year i didnt know he played that bad for us

I'm no Frye apologist but let's see what his impact is with an NBA level coach - last season was a statistical anomaly for Frye so it could be a crazy fast decline or that JV sucked and couldn't figure out how to use him.

Anderson fouling less only confirms the eyes test of his comical nightly running away from contact...also offensive rebounding is not a need on this team, Magic get good rebounding from all positions.

Is that worth $12m per year which will be Ryno's range (and for a bench player too)... and it wouldn't be surprising if that number went higher with cap increasing to $110m the following season? ...vs what Frye gets ($8m / $7.8m / $7.4m over next three years?

Apologist - a person who defends or supports something (such as a religion, cause, or organization) that is being criticized or attacked by other people.

Yeah, you're a Frye apologist. You can blame coaching all you want, but it's not like Jacque Vaughn told Frye to go out there and suck as bad as he did. Don't get me wrong, Jacque failed as a head coach in a lot of ways. But, I have a really hard time believing a bad head coach somehow made a 31 year old basketball player shoot for a career low FG%, get to the line less than ever before in his career and rebound at a horrendous rate. There is only so much you can blame on coaching.

He had what was arguably the worst season of his career last year and his deal goes for another 3 excruciating years. Luckily, the cap hit goes down over time, but it's still money that could be spent elsewhere. Why do people continue to defend this deal? Let me guess: I'm short-sighted and can't see how it fits into the Hennigan rebuild.

Did you read what I said? and the context its in regarding signing Ryan Anderson? this is why you are by far the most clueless and least interesting poster on this board

[ezzzp]

The obvious answer is to go after Horford, however there is about 0% chance of him leaving Atlanta for Orlando.

We should still offer Horford a huge contract as the best free agent available. There are potential, if unlikely reasons that he might come here: He's from DR. He's a UF Alum. New wife/baby, might actually prefer Orlando. And what if we perform better than expected this season and Atlanta falls off considerably? They looked bad in the playoffs and lost their glue guy and best perimeter defender this summer. So it's at least conceivable that we might look better from a basketball perspective going forward from 2016.

Who knows what will happen with Atlanta, really? They are well coached. But Al would rather play PF than Center and Milsap can only play PF. They have two new centers, lost their Small Forward, and their Shooting Guard just had surgery on his ankles. They might not be so shiny next year and we might look good with our stable of young players. Al could start at PF and play part-time Center when Vuc sits. His minutes would be a huge upgrade for us at both positions and we truly need a veteran starter to lead by example. Young teams do not win in this league.

I wouldn't downgrade ATL. Tiago Splitter is an above average defender, very efficient offensive player and skilled passer (15 PPG/ 9 RPG/ 19 PER / .600 TS%). Carroll was a nice glue guy, but Splitter is a big upgrade to their front court. They'll have money to spend next summer and Horford's age is more compatible with ATL then it is with Orlando. Plus great coach.

[The Other Ankle]

The obvious answer is to go after Horford, however there is about 0% chance of him leaving Atlanta for Orlando.

We should still offer Horford a huge contract as the best free agent available. There are potential, if unlikely reasons that he might come here: He's from DR. He's a UF Alum. New wife/baby, might actually prefer Orlando. And what if we perform better than expected this season and Atlanta falls off considerably? They looked bad in the playoffs and lost their glue guy and best perimeter defender this summer. So it's at least conceivable that we might look better from a basketball perspective going forward from 2016.

Who knows what will happen with Atlanta, really? They are well coached. But Al would rather play PF than Center and Milsap can only play PF. They have two new centers, lost their Small Forward, and their Shooting Guard just had surgery on his ankles. They might not be so shiny next year and we might look good with our stable of young players. Al could start at PF and play part-time Center when Vuc sits. His minutes would be a huge upgrade for us at both positions and we truly need a veteran starter to lead by example. Young teams do not win in this league.

I wouldn't downgrade ATL. Tiago Splitter is an above average defender, very efficient offensive player and skilled passer (15 PPG/ 9 RPG/ 19 PER / .600 TS%). Carroll was a nice glue guy, but Splitter is a big upgrade to their front court. They'll have money to spend next summer and Horford's age is more compatible with ATL then it is with Orlando. Plus great coach.

The good news is we don't have to predict the future. The year will have passed and each team will have played out the schedule when free agency hits. But everyone expects us to improve and it's reasonable that Atlanta could fall off from what was an amazing year last year. Plus there is no downside in making a play for the guy if there's not a close second choice that's more likely.

Horford might LIKE being the established veteran All-Star on a team of young bucks -- and his positional fit might be better. We will need more leadership and veteran presence to go anywhere even if our guys prove to be very good. So Al would be a great target for us and it is not inconceivable that he would want to play for us after a decade in Atlanta.

[BadMofoPimp]

Magic would have to be a playoff team this upcoming season in order to be a player in Free Agency next summer. Otherwise, all the Magic can truly target are the Frye's and Jason Smiths of the league . . .

We all saw what making the playoffs did for Milwaukee. They added Monroe to an already stacked young talented roster.

Uh we got pretty close to getting Paul Milsap. And yeah winning does help but it isn't the end all as far as attracting FAs. We have seen bigger level guys sign with losers before. A young team if we show improvement and have the cap space we could still be an attractive destination for someone. Of course with the new cap hike coming in a lot of people will have money(even some of the good ones) but I wouldn't rule anything out just yet.

Magic made an offer which only helped Milsap gain leverage with the team he wanted to stay with.

[ralphie9898]

Magic would have to be a playoff team this upcoming season in order to be a player in Free Agency next summer. Otherwise, all the Magic can truly target are the Frye's and Jason Smiths of the league . . .

We all saw what making the playoffs did for Milwaukee. They added Monroe to an already stacked young talented roster.

Uh we got pretty close to getting Paul Milsap. And yeah winning does help but it isn't the end all as far as attracting FAs. We have seen bigger level guys sign with losers before. A young team if we show improvement and have the cap space we could still be an attractive destination for someone. Of course with the new cap hike coming in a lot of people will have money(even some of the good ones) but I wouldn't rule anything out just yet.

Magic made an offer which only helped Milsap gain leverage with the team he wanted to stay with.

Yeah sure because you know what what was in his head and what his agent wanted. LOL, just an opinion and not fact. But even so it does not close the door on us being able to attract a free agent of higher value then what we have been getting recently even if we don't make the playoffs.

[ezzzp]

Uh we got pretty close to getting Paul Milsap. And yeah winning does help but it isn't the end all as far as attracting FAs. We have seen bigger level guys sign with losers before. A young team if we show improvement and have the cap space we could still be an attractive destination for someone. Of course with the new cap hike coming in a lot of people will have money(even some of the good ones) but I wouldn't rule anything out just yet.

Magic made an offer which only helped Milsap gain leverage with the team he wanted to stay with.

Yeah sure because you know what what was in his head and what his agent wanted. LOL, just an opinion and not fact. But even so it does not close the door on us being able to attract a free agent of higher value then what we have been getting recently even if we don't make the playoffs.

Yea, its impossible to know for sure what Milsap and his agent's motives were. On the one hand, Milsap had a good thing going and had no reason to leave, but once Atlanta traded for Splitter that changed everything.

Splitter and Budenholzer have worked together and Tiago is a legit starting center that allows Horford to move to his preferred PF role. That move had to have triggered alarms for Milsap, so its likely that's why he went out and got a safety net and/or leverage to ensure he would get paid what he felt he deserved.

As far as the Magic needing to make the playoffs to attract high calibre free agents...I agree to a certain extent, but another element that could substitute for that is the break out of one of the core - regardless of playoffs or not. If one of the young guys has a high profile all-star season that also attracts free agents.

[BadMofoPimp]

Uh we got pretty close to getting Paul Milsap. And yeah winning does help but it isn't the end all as far as attracting FAs. We have seen bigger level guys sign with losers before. A young team if we show improvement and have the cap space we could still be an attractive destination for someone. Of course with the new cap hike coming in a lot of people will have money(even some of the good ones) but I wouldn't rule anything out just yet.

Magic made an offer which only helped Milsap gain leverage with the team he wanted to stay with.

Yeah sure because you know what what was in his head and what his agent wanted. LOL, just an opinion and not fact. But even so it does not close the door on us being able to attract a free agent of higher value then what we have been getting recently even if we don't make the playoffs.

FYI. If Milsap was attracted, he would be here.

Also, I don't think signing a 30 year old declining player to a long term high priced contract as a win win situation. I am happy the Magic didn't waste the money and don't consider him a prized Free Agent.