Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[lilfishi22]

Kieff + pick for Dieng?
Kieff + PJ for Randle?
Kieff + PJ for Farid?
Kieff for Sullinger?


I personally would Give up Kieff+Archie plus2-3 picks for Mirotic

I think that's too much for a guy who's had a good rookie season.

[Qwigglez]

I'd give up Kieff+Archie and the Cavs pick for Mirotic. That's about it. Maybe swap picks from Miami to Chicago as well, let them have the better of the two.

[NavLDO]

We take a major step back if we trade him for a 2nd round pick lol. Just keep him, he has to play for us or forfeit his salary. Inform him and his dense entourage that if he plays well he will be gone soon enough. Now is not the time to sell, though. Not for the worth of a 2nd round pick.

I almost want to keep him for that reason alone--he states that there is no way he'll play for us. We keep him and see if he owns that statement or not. No? You aren't going to play for us? What about being a professional??

I'd love for the FO to bring him into a meeting and state--"Play or Pay, which is it?"

But in all seriousness, this is the 2nd time in a year that a player is forcing McD to negotiate from a position of weakness--awesome!! And anyone think this is McD's fault? Sorry, but he did nothing wrong in this situation.

[Mr-Al]

Kieff for Patrick Patterson technically works.



Ideally I would love the following trade

Kieff + Archie + Cleveland pick for Patterson + Bruno Caboclo

But that probably won't happen.


Still wish we had drafted either Mitch Mcgary or Bruno over **** Tyler Ennis

Apparently we wanted Bruno all along, so the interest is there I guess. Raptors are probably never giving him up though

[tdjm]

Not looking forward to employing Ryan Anderson and I hope it doesn't come to pass. He was a bad defender even before multiple back injuries wrecked him further. Keef is middling in some areas and bad in others, but he won't submarine you by being a relentless weakness even if he's not winning DPOY awards. Ryan Anderson is strictly bad on defense, everywhere, at all times, in everything. Dude is a defensive disaster. He's fun as PF depth, but if we start him we're basically tanking by giving minutes to weak vets instead of just giving minutes to youth.

As far as Ennis goes...man, I wanted Capela there. Epic brick on that pick.

[Qwigglez]

I agree about Anderson. It's just covering up a gunshot wound with a bandaid. Need a better player then that to come back or else I just keep Kieff.

[pidi]

markieff for tristan thompson and filler.. f**k this little sissy, can´t understand how unprofessional this guy act´s..

[Mr-Al]

If Tristan Thompson acted like a regular human being and wanted like a 10-12 million deal, I would get him. But what he wants is just insane for maybe a rich man's Jordan Hill

[letsgosuns]

There are no good free agent power forwards available next offseason, so the Suns need to try to swing a trade that nets them at least a decent power forward prospect to replace Markieff.

[pidi]

i think his tag was 50 mil / 4 years what he wanted from the cavs, i´d give him that money

[Qwigglez]

Just need to hold out until Cleveland decides they'd rather have Tristan Thompson and then they gift wrap Kevin Love for us and we'll give em Kieff and a couple of coupons.

[Walt_Uoob]

Thank god we landed Teletovic. He's a downgrade from Keef for sure, but he slots in pretty well into a starting lineup with Bledsoe/Knight/Tucker/Chandler. His presence on the roster at least allows us to pretend like we're willing to accept a situation where Keef sits or we trade Keef for picks and prospects instead of players. Makes us seem less desperate and gives us a bit more leverage.

I don't know if that extends to Leuer as the backup PF though. If he can exceed expectations as well, at least to start the season, we'll really have leverage to hold out for a good deal for Keef.

[ShawnBronald]

Thank god we landed Teletovic. He's a downgrade from Keef for sure, but he slots in pretty well into a starting lineup with Bledsoe/Knight/Tucker/Chandler. His presence on the roster at least allows us to pretend like we're willing to accept a situation where Keef sits or we trade Keef for picks and prospects instead of players. Makes us seem less desperate and gives us a bit more leverage.

I don't know if that extends to Leuer as the backup PF though. If he can exceed expectations as well, at least to start the season, we'll really have leverage to hold out for a good deal for Keef.

Hard to call anyone a downgrade from Kief. Sure, when he was focused and locked in, he was pretty good. Unfortunately, you never knew when you'd get that Kief. Couple that with the headache he was on the court arguing with refs and apparently off-court (be it in the locker room or a high school basketball ball game). He's just not that talented, even when on his game, to put up with the rest of it. I'll be shocked if any team is stupid enough to take a flyer on this guy, but then again, this is the NBA. Both he and his brother are ticking time bombs and I wouldn't be surprised if they're both out of the league in the next couple years (whether on their own accord or because they legally cannot be). I say to that... good riddance!

[Frank Lee]

If some how Illysova gets here .... Kieff will have been my favorite Sun

I get the feeling its going to be a draft pick deal. Hello Philly ? so many teams added players through free agency and they wont be tradable until december or so.... hard to make the #s work with the small selection on rosters.

When the smoke clears, the FO better sit down amongst themselves and debrief the past 12+ months. The approach to collecting players as trading assets does not set well with the players, and really caused a riff to develop. The FO has not played their cards effectively. In a weird way, just as with Dragic, I can see Kief's point.... but there still seems to be some denial that behavior played into this. Either he or Knucklehead#1 shrugged off the court/charges like they meant nothing. Doesn't really matter now. because...there is always Earl Barron to fall back on. Who knows.... may be its a breakout yr for Len. Wouldn't be a bad thing to see Len develop into an effective PF.

And back to Dragic... all they had to do was resist the temptation to collect picks and deal IT.... then rebuild the trust and get back to business. Sure, we would have paid the dragon, but at least we'd be moving forward with a proven formula that worked. Mcduh has painted himself into a corner with BKnight.

[Jdiddy701]

Suns open up the season at home vs Dallas?


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[Revived]

"I'm the premier player of the team".

Markieff is a joke.

It may sound like a joke statement but it's actually not because....Ryan McD, the GM of the Suns, himself kept on praising Kieff and calling him the "best player on the team", "most professional player eva", "most hardest working guy on Earth" etc (said the same about Bledsoe) during the Dragic saga when he went on radio to rip apart Dragic after they traded him.

To some degree I do think McD himself made a mistake in stroking Kieff's ego too much.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Thank god we landed Teletovic. He's a downgrade from Keef for sure, but he slots in pretty well into a starting lineup with Bledsoe/Knight/Tucker/Chandler. His presence on the roster at least allows us to pretend like we're willing to accept a situation where Keef sits or we trade Keef for picks and prospects instead of players. Makes us seem less desperate and gives us a bit more leverage.

I don't know if that extends to Leuer as the backup PF though. If he can exceed expectations as well, at least to start the season, we'll really have leverage to hold out for a good deal for Keef.

I really don't like that starting lineup. While it would stretch the floor, nobody spots 3-5 can create their own shot. I'd much rather put Warren and Tucker at the starting forward slots. Besides, I bet Tucker is both a better rebounder and defender than Teletovic.

And why all this talk about Ryan Anderson, when Teletovic may be the player most comparable to him in the whole league?

I think our roster is fine without Kieff. I think we'll trade him to the team that gives up the most value for him. I mentioned before, chemistry comes first.

But because this board is sooooo pessimistic, I expect everyone to be devaluing Keef in all their trade proposals (we've already seen that) and then decrying whatever trade we actually do make because Keef was sooo good, and we'll no longer have a starting PF on the roster. Personally, I don't believe that Keef was ever our guy. I think he was always a trade piece waiting to be moved. I actually think we're well-positioned, because, as I mentioned elsewhere, this should cause teams to come to us with their offers. I'll be interested to see what we get.

[Frank Lee]

Well, Kief firmly planted an ego boot right up Ryan's kiester


PS... agreed Cosmo

We weren't going to be that good anyway. As far as I am concerned, yes, if no reasonable deal happens before camp... just tell Keif to stay home until further notice.

[Walt_Uoob]

Thank god we landed Teletovic. He's a downgrade from Keef for sure, but he slots in pretty well into a starting lineup with Bledsoe/Knight/Tucker/Chandler. His presence on the roster at least allows us to pretend like we're willing to accept a situation where Keef sits or we trade Keef for picks and prospects instead of players. Makes us seem less desperate and gives us a bit more leverage.

I don't know if that extends to Leuer as the backup PF though. If he can exceed expectations as well, at least to start the season, we'll really have leverage to hold out for a good deal for Keef.

I really don't like that starting lineup. While it would stretch the floor, nobody spots 3-5 can create their own shot. I'd much rather put Warren and Tucker at the starting forward slots. Besides, I bet Tucker is both a better rebounder and defender than Teletovic.

And why all this talk about Ryan Anderson, when Teletovic may be the player most comparable to him in the whole league?

I think our roster is fine without Kieff. I think we'll trade him to the team that gives up the most value for him. I mentioned before, chemistry comes first.

But because this board is sooooo pessimistic, I expect everyone to be devaluing Keef in all their trade proposals (we've already seen that) and then decrying whatever trade we actually do make because Keef was sooo good, and we'll no longer have a starting PF on the roster. Personally, I don't believe that Keef was ever our guy. I think he was always a trade piece waiting to be moved. I actually think we're well-positioned, because, as I mentioned elsewhere, this should cause teams to come to us with their offers. I'll be interested to see what we get.

That's a good point. I hadn't really thought about starting Warren and Tucker together, but that could work well. And it creates an added bonus: more time for Weems/Goodwin/Booker and less need for Leuer.

[denial]

When the smoke clears, the FO better sit down amongst themselves and debrief the past 12+ months. The approach to collecting players as trading assets does not set well with the players, and really caused a riff to develop. The FO has not played their cards effectively. In a weird way, just as with Dragic, I can see Kief's point.... but there still seems to be some denial that behavior played into this. Either he or Knucklehead#1 shrugged off the court/charges like they meant nothing.

And back to Dragic... all they had to do was resist the temptation to collect picks and deal IT.... then rebuild the trust and get back to business. Sure, we would have paid the dragon, but at least we'd be moving forward with a proven formula that worked. Mcduh has painted himself into a corner with BKnight.

I don't like how Kief is acting. Something always turns me off about rich people acting all ghetto. I don't mind them being rich, like some people like to hate on athletes. I just, as someone who possibly came from a similar background as some of these guys, would appreciate it if, once they made it and got paid, they acted as if they'd made it and got paid instead of holding on to the past.

However, if it is true that marcus found out about being traded from anyone other than the Suns FO or his agent, then I feel that is legitimate beef. I am pleased that, thus far, the Suns haven't fired back at Kief. Hopefully they don't. Or even better, if they indeed botched the Marcus trade, then it would be great to hear them say "Our fault. we handled that trade poorly and we hope Markief will give us a chance to earn his trust back", much like they should have done with Dragic. When/whether we trade kief should have everything to do with getting proper value and doing whatever makes the team better, and should have nothing to do with some guys in the FO, or kief, being butt hurt.