Does AA deserve an extension?

[Parataxis]

What do you guys think now?

Retrospect is a bitch, so AA is probably sitting there with the I told you so's, however this is an almost impossible to predict run that we have gone on, and even if we win the division, at the time, the move was pretty reckless as it looked aimed at a WC game, not the division.

If we win the AL East, he will be re-signed, but it will be on a big leap of faith that he did it.

Yeah, not sure if you can really credit Price with this run, seeing as he only played in a fifth of the games.

It was a bad trade then, it's a bad trade now.

[Steelo Green]

What do you guys think now?

Retrospect is a bitch, so AA is probably sitting there with the I told you so's, however this is an almost impossible to predict run that we have gone on, and even if we win the division, at the time, the move was pretty reckless as it looked aimed at a WC game, not the division.

If we win the AL East, he will be re-signed, but it will be on a big leap of faith that he did it.

Yeah, not sure if you can really credit Price with this run, seeing as he only played in a fifth of the games.

It was a bad trade then, it's a bad trade now.

When was I crediting Price specifically with this run? He plays a part of course, but it is an all encompassing effect of losing all the prospects I was going for, but nice try for trying argue what I am not.

[The_Hater]

What do you guys think now?

Retrospect is a bitch, so AA is probably sitting there with the I told you so's, however this is an almost impossible to predict run that we have gone on, and even if we win the division, at the time, the move was pretty reckless as it looked aimed at a WC game, not the division.

If we win the AL East, he will be re-signed, but it will be on a big leap of faith that he did it.

Yeah, not sure if you can really credit Price with this run, seeing as he only played in a fifth of the games.

It was a bad trade then, it's a bad trade now.

I'm not in love with the Price trade in terms of value but if we go on a long playoff run and baseball is reborn in Toronto (which is happening right now), it's pretty difficult to put a price on what that would be worth. Attendance and TV ratings would both almost certainly spike the next couple of years which would increase the amount of $$ Rogers puts back into the team. The Price could end up being about a lot more than your typical baseball transaction.

[Xaos]

I've been a critic of AA and his tenure as GM of the Blue Jays over the years. But never would I have thought that this team would be put in a position to compete for a post season birth.

It's been a 1/4 century since we had any taste of the post season. I was a teenager when this happened and the city was buzzing with excitement! I'm getting the same vibe this season.

If the team makes it and has a successful run, i'm all for signing AA to an extension. I think he deserves it.

[Schad]

I'm not in love with the Price trade in terms of value but if we go on a long playoff run and baseball is reborn in Toronto (which is happening right now), it's pretty difficult to put a price on what that would be worth. Attendance and TV ratings would both almost certainly spike the next couple of years which would increase the amount of $$ Rogers puts back into the team. The Price could end up being about a lot more than your typical baseball transaction.

Only if the effect of that increased money extends past the first downturn in our fortunes. Even $150-160m doesn't go that far if you're paying players in their decline phase and don't have much by way of high-quality, cost-controlled talent.

[JaysRule15]

I think the title of this thread needs to be changed to "How big should AA's extension be?"

[bballsparkin]

I still say wait. The team needs to produce. But I will say he has succeeded wildly in getting me as a fan interested again. The strike and Expo's getting screwed followed by wasting Doc and Delgado turned me off. But I'm back. They need to sustain the excitement the last couple years have produced. But this is most excited I can remember feeling about the Jays in a long time. It's noticeable when I'm out and about too. And **** Price is fun to watch pitch as a Jay.

[Fairview4Life]

This thread really should have been called "Apologize to AA Here".

[The_Hater]

I'm not in love with the Price trade in terms of value but if we go on a long playoff run and baseball is reborn in Toronto (which is happening right now), it's pretty difficult to put a price on what that would be worth. Attendance and TV ratings would both almost certainly spike the next couple of years which would increase the amount of $$ Rogers puts back into the team. The Price could end up being about a lot more than your typical baseball transaction.

Only if the effect of that increased money extends past the first downturn in our fortunes. Even $150-160m doesn't go that far if you're paying players in their decline phase and don't have much by way of high-quality, cost-controlled talent.

Sure, but would you rather have $160 million to spend or $120? Pointing out that management still has to spend it wisely doesn't really change the obvious answer to that question. The top payroll teams still make the playoffs at a much higher rate than the rest.

My only point is that unlike most baseball trades, measuring the Price trade based only on the 4 players involved probably misses other benefits to the Jays.

[Schad]

Sure, but would you rather have $160 million to spend or $120? Pointing out that management still has to spend it wisely doesn't really change the obvious answer to that question. The top payroll teams still make the playoffs at a much higher rate than the rest.

My only point is that unlike most baseball trades, measuring the Price trade based only on the 4 players involved probably misses other benefits to the Jays.

Again, though, the determinant is whether that $160m will be a recurring theme, should we hit a wall in a couple years. That extra $40m is, in free agency, the equivalent of two good (but not elite) players; two good players can help, certainly, but if we have little cheap and good talent percolating up, building a consistently competitive team is damned near impossible.

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5 years minimum for what he has built

[LLJ]

The thing with AA is that even though so far the results have not shown (yet), he's the kind of GM who, if he went to another team with better owners, you could imagine him really kicking ass because of his "Think Big" type of attitude. He's the kind of GM who would thrive on big markets with owners with deep pockets,

[Raps in 4]

Yeah, not sure if you can really credit Price with this run, seeing as he only played in a fifth of the games.

It was a bad trade then, it's a bad trade now.

Don't discount the psychological impact a trade like that can have on the players.

With that said, I agree that it was a bad trade (unless we win the WS and somehow re-sign Price).

[LLJ]

If we win the WS and Price bolts, it would still be worth it. It would be the best 3 month rental in Jays history.

So many sketchy AA deals would be saved by a WS win though of course.

Dickey deal would also be looked at less harshly too.

[Raps in 4]

The thing with AA is that even though so far the results have not shown (yet), he's the kind of GM who, if he went to another team with better owners, you could imagine him really kicking ass because of his "Think Big" type of attitude. He's the kind of GM who would thrive on big markets with owners with deep pockets,

He'd thrive on small market teams too (he's a phenomenal scout). He's just a good GM period.

[Scott Hall]

If we win the WS and Price bolts, it would still be worth it. It would be the best 3 month rental in Jays history.

So many sketchy AA deals would be saved by a WS win though of course.

Dickey deal would also be looked at less harshly too.

Ya would people trade in that 1992 World Series banner for the career of Jeff Kent?

[LLJ]

The thing with AA is that even though so far the results have not shown (yet), he's the kind of GM who, if he went to another team with better owners, you could imagine him really kicking ass because of his "Think Big" type of attitude. He's the kind of GM who would thrive on big markets with owners with deep pockets,

He'd thrive on small market teams too (he's a phenomenal scout). He's just a good GM period.

Oh yeah. But his risk taking and star-driven mentality to building teams plays really well on big market teams. He doesn't fool around with trying to win with no-namers and diamonds in the rough (though he's picked up a number over the years). This is why he's held onto Bautista even though many posters here suggested trades on and off through the past 2-3 years even when things weren't panning out for AA team wise.