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Anyone think Faried would be a good fit for the Suns? I used to be pretty high on him but with Chandler not so sure. Maybe Denver would be willing to talk about it a bit with Keif. Faried has been on the block for a long time. Not sure they would want another knuckle head though after the Lawson fiasco. I dunno just a thought.
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matt131 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/631557391528493056[/tweet]
i hope not
That will probably be the best offer available. Ersan is a fringe-starting quality Stretch 4 locked in to a reasonable contract with two years remaining and offers similiar production to Kieff. Although he would be sort of redundant with Teletovic it would be a nice luxury to have. I could see Mirza bolting after this year if he proves he's healthy and plays well enough to command the price on the open market equal to what he would have had before his medical condition. If you seriously think teams are gunna get in line to get bent over by McDuh to pay top dollar for a legally embattled team cancer who's marginal on-court production does not make up for his baggage you need a reality check. I think the Pistons are destined to be a late lotto team like us for the new couple of years so that pick swap might be worthless. But maybe they crash and burn come 2017 which has a really stacked draft class. But its also possibly we end up worse than them so you never know...
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Hey guys, new to the forum and just wanted to say hello. Maybe you guys can help me understand something. Everything I read says the suns are at a huge trading disadvantage now that Keiff has publicly asked to be traded. I just don't see it. What does it matter if he wants to be traded or not, how is that a disadvantage to anyone. Hell if I were going to trade for a player I would take the guy who wanted to be traded instead of the guy who didn't and is pissed he got traded. I'm probably naive or stupid or most likely both, but can someone help me understand this huge disadvantage were supposedly in now.
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Toobuff wrote:Hey guys, new to the forum and just wanted to say hello. Maybe you guys can help me understand something. Everything I read says the suns are at a huge trading disadvantage now that Keiff has publicly asked to be traded. I just don't see it. What does it matter if he wants to be traded or not, how is that a disadvantage to anyone. Hell if I were going to trade for a player I would take the guy who wanted to be traded instead of the guy who didn't and is pissed he got traded. I'm probably naive or stupid or most likely both, but can someone help me understand this huge disadvantage were supposedly in now.
If a player says "trade me or I'll be a cancer for team" then you probably should trade him and other teams know that, so they keep their offers low. Also they will think that he may be bad for their team chemistry. And welcome.
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Toobuff wrote:Hey guys, new to the forum and just wanted to say hello. Maybe you guys can help me understand something. Everything I read says the suns are at a huge trading disadvantage now that Keiff has publicly asked to be traded. I just don't see it. What does it matter if he wants to be traded or not, how is that a disadvantage to anyone. Hell if I were going to trade for a player I would take the guy who wanted to be traded instead of the guy who didn't and is pissed he got traded. I'm probably naive or stupid or most likely both, but can someone help me understand this huge disadvantage were supposedly in now.
It depends on how badly other teams want that player. If he is a good player and coveted around the league, then asking for a trade is just advertising and encourages multiple offers. But if the player acts like a baby and is wanting a trade over some problem that will exist with every other team, then his value goes down. It also goes down if the player limits the number of teams where he will be willing to play.
The notion that the twins took less money in order to play together is false. 52 mil was a reasonable combined value at the time. They are the ones who signed and extension early because they wanted to ensure that they could stay together. I am sure they thought that if they were FA's going into this summer there was a chance that Marcus would be renounced in order to pursue others (which would have happened). So they came to the Suns about and extension. What is McD supposed to say? "No. Markieff you could make more next summer so, we don't want to lock you up so you can make more then."
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If a player says "trade me or I'll be a cancer for team" then you probably should trade him and other teams know that, so they keep their offers low. Also they will think that he may be bad for their team chemistry. And welcome.
I see that to a point. I agree his value diminishes a little more when he continues to show what an idiot he is, but he demonstrated that pretty well even before asking to be traded (all the technicals, calling out the fans, arrested for felony assault on and on). So does asking for a trade really add that much to what everyone already knows about him? And while not a likely scenario the suns can call his bluff and keep him. Nowhere is it written in stone that he must be traded at any cost - at some point the return might look so bad your willing to say screw you Keiff - either play ball and act right or we'll bench you, send you to the D-league, make you the ball boy or whatever. Keiff is in a precarious position as well in all this if the suns did call his bluff (could easily be a career ender for him).
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NTB wrote:Toobuff wrote:Hey guys, new to the forum and just wanted to say hello. Maybe you guys can help me understand something. Everything I read says the suns are at a huge trading disadvantage now that Keiff has publicly asked to be traded. I just don't see it. What does it matter if he wants to be traded or not, how is that a disadvantage to anyone. Hell if I were going to trade for a player I would take the guy who wanted to be traded instead of the guy who didn't and is pissed he got traded. I'm probably naive or stupid or most likely both, but can someone help me understand this huge disadvantage were supposedly in now.
If a player says "trade me or I'll be a cancer for team" then you probably should trade him and other teams know that, so they keep their offers low. Also they will think that he may be bad for their team chemistry. And welcome.
Everybody knew he is a cancer for the team and everybody knew we would trade him, should the situation present itself.
So... Bye bye, M&Ms...
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sunshoopjunky wrote:Anyone think Faried would be a good fit for the Suns? I used to be pretty high on him but with Chandler not so sure. Maybe Denver would be willing to talk about it a bit with Keif. Faried has been on the block for a long time. Not sure they would want another knuckle head though after the Lawson fiasco. I dunno just a thought.
Fared is almost the polar opposite of what the Suns need.
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OK. On Ersan. He would be a perfect pf in the Suns systerm. He is a 39% shooter from the 3 so he would be a perfect complement for Chandler and Warren. I would do this deal and not consider it a consolation prize.
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jcsunsfan wrote:sunshoopjunky wrote:Anyone think Faried would be a good fit for the Suns? I used to be pretty high on him but with Chandler not so sure. Maybe Denver would be willing to talk about it a bit with Keif. Faried has been on the block for a long time. Not sure they would want another knuckle head though after the Lawson fiasco. I dunno just a thought.
Fared is almost the polar opposite of what the Suns need.
Agreed. Manimal is a below average defender who dosn't posses the size and strength to hold his own in the post or against the P&R. And he lacks the shooting range to be a starting calibre PF as a tweener. His offensive game is limited to only second chance garbage points and putbacks within 10 feet of the rim. He's basically a Energizer Bunny supersub who solely specializes in crashing the boards and dominating the glass to secure new possesions for your team in limited minutes.
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Here's a link to the full Pelton piece: http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/celtics-raptors-make-strong-bids-markieff-morris/story?id=33041886&singlePage=true
He thinks the issue with the Blazers trade is that "Vonleh is probably too much of a short-term downgrade for Phoenix to make this deal, despite his potential." But if the FO is as enamored with his longer-term potential as many here are, maybe that trade could happen. Run with a platoon at PF and hope it's enough to get us into the playoffs.
He thinks the issue with the Blazers trade is that "Vonleh is probably too much of a short-term downgrade for Phoenix to make this deal, despite his potential." But if the FO is as enamored with his longer-term potential as many here are, maybe that trade could happen. Run with a platoon at PF and hope it's enough to get us into the playoffs.
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Walt_Uoob wrote:Here's a link to the full Pelton piece: http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/celtics-raptors-make-strong-bids-markieff-morris/story?id=33041886&singlePage=true
He thinks the issue with the Blazers trade is that "Vonleh is probably too much of a short-term downgrade for Phoenix to make this deal, despite his potential." But if the FO is as enamored with his longer-term potential as many here are, maybe that trade could happen. Run with a platoon at PF and hope it's enough to get us into the playoffs.
Are you kidding me? I'd take Vonleh in a heartbreat. But maybe I' m just a Hoosier homer. Anyways Charlotte was stupid to deal a promising young stud big for a one season rental of Batum and Portland is in rebuild mode and wouldn't consider moving their newly acquired piece. Also LOL at the assertion that Keiff is the missing piece to get the Blazers back into playoff contention when he's not the X-Factor for a team like us without a gutted roster. I really hope we don't over-react and mortgage the future in order overpay for stop-gap PF to make us look better on paper. I'm not advocating a full out tank but at least don't fight the process of bottoming out naturally.
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If I wasn't so damn lazy I would go round up all the quotes about how Keef was gonna be just fine. Separating them would mature them and he would get over it and play well. He'd also be more focused and get less technicals. Spin spin spin.
Nope. He reacted just how anyone familiar with him should have expected-- horribly.
They dumped Mook for nothing to push for LMA. When we didn't get LMA, they spun it as "Mook was the cancer! Addition by subtraction! Great move!". They simultaneously made the mistake of not even getting together with the twins to break the news. Not for consent, but just to be (or at least appear) decent so Keef might not develop bad feelings, and perhaps want to stick around.
With Keef now essentially demanding out, he has put us in the tough position. As some have already noted, this puts pressure on us to find a trade ASAP, but diminishes his immediate trade value since other teams are aware of the situation and have no reason not to low-ball us.
Nope. He reacted just how anyone familiar with him should have expected-- horribly.
They dumped Mook for nothing to push for LMA. When we didn't get LMA, they spun it as "Mook was the cancer! Addition by subtraction! Great move!". They simultaneously made the mistake of not even getting together with the twins to break the news. Not for consent, but just to be (or at least appear) decent so Keef might not develop bad feelings, and perhaps want to stick around.
With Keef now essentially demanding out, he has put us in the tough position. As some have already noted, this puts pressure on us to find a trade ASAP, but diminishes his immediate trade value since other teams are aware of the situation and have no reason not to low-ball us.
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matt131 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/631557391528493056[/tweet]
i hope not
Where do we sign? Seriously. I don't think we turn that offer down

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Toobuff wrote:Hey guys, new to the forum and just wanted to say hello. Maybe you guys can help me understand something. Everything I read says the suns are at a huge trading disadvantage now that Keiff has publicly asked to be traded. I just don't see it. What does it matter if he wants to be traded or not, how is that a disadvantage to anyone. Hell if I were going to trade for a player I would take the guy who wanted to be traded instead of the guy who didn't and is pissed he got traded. I'm probably naive or stupid or most likely both, but can someone help me understand this huge disadvantage were supposedly in now.
Welcome to the boards Toobuff
The issue with publicly demanding a trade is that we lose a fair bit of leverage because now teams know that we're in a situation where we both want and need to move him. Teams aren't going to offer nearly as much to "pry" him off our hands because we are more desperate move him than they are trying to trade for him. Also Kieff is in a situation where he probably cares less about where he's going and more about not being in Phoenix