Is Kieff dogging it?

[bwgood77]

If you guys didn't see this already, Pelton gave his trade ideas.

Boston Celtics

Offer: F Perry Jones, F/C Jared Sullinger, F/G James Young, possible draft considerations

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Charlotte Hornets

Offer: G Brian Roberts, PF Cody Zeller

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Los Angeles Lakers

Offer: G Jabari Brown, F Ryan Kelly, PF Julius Randle

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Portland Trail Blazers

Offer: PF Noah Vonleh


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Toronto Raptors

Offer: PF Patrick Patterson


http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/13423779/nba-boston-celtics-toronto-raptors-potential-landing-spots-phoenix-suns-forward-markieff-morris

I'd take the Lakers or Blazers deal first if they were on the table.

I didn't click on the link, but that first one from Boston, if it is just for Markieff, that would satisfy so many Suns fans this board would go nuts...people have wanted to trade assets for Jones, Markieff for Sullinger straight up, Young can be a player AND a pick?

All of those deals are good deals. I don't know how good we would be with most of them...probably definitely miss the playoffs, but the Toronto deal would probably put us in a similar position...he may not be quite as good, but best replacement right now at PF.

[bwgood77]

Anyone think Faried would be a good fit for the Suns? I used to be pretty high on him but with Chandler not so sure. Maybe Denver would be willing to talk about it a bit with Keif. Faried has been on the block for a long time. Not sure they would want another knuckle head though after the Lawson fiasco. I dunno just a thought.

He'd be a great off the bench guy...I don't think if he started with our current starters we would do well because we would have no spacing in the frontcourt. We need a stretch four, or at the very minimum, a mid range 4. I don't know if he has that game. I haven't watched him enough, but I don't think he is much of a shooter. Our guards like to drive into the lane, and if our two bigs will get no defenders guarding them past 5-7 feet, they will always shut down Bledsoe or Knight driving in for layups. That's why guys like Love, Frye, Anderson, Illy, etc are so important is they drag out defenders to open up space.

[bwgood77]

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i hope not

You hope not? I'd LOVE that trade.

Though I assume we would have the pick swap option and they would always have the worse pick. Detroit will likely be pretty good next year. Not that we won't...but if they get into the east playoffs with a worse record, our pick is higher anyways.

I might do it, but only with medical staff approval.

[bwgood77]

Hey guys, new to the forum and just wanted to say hello. Maybe you guys can help me understand something. Everything I read says the suns are at a huge trading disadvantage now that Keiff has publicly asked to be traded. I just don't see it. What does it matter if he wants to be traded or not, how is that a disadvantage to anyone. Hell if I were going to trade for a player I would take the guy who wanted to be traded instead of the guy who didn't and is pissed he got traded. I'm probably naive or stupid or most likely both, but can someone help me understand this huge disadvantage were supposedly in now.

You are right. We are not at a disadvantage at all because of a demand...that actually helps...now we may be at a disadvantage if people think he is a thug or can only play with his bro, but just because he wants to be traded, that actually helps. Same thing with when we traded Goran. When teams know a guy wants to move, and they think a team may trade him soon, they will more likely put their best offers forward sooner IF they want him because if they think he will be moved fast they won't want to lose him. It's like free agency...you better possibly overpay to get a commitment or someone else will. That's why when Dragic went public, we got two first and one unprotected for a guy who could walk in three months...and some here thought he decreased his value.

If there is a bidding war, it is good. The only question is, are their teams that NEED him or really want him? I'm not asking this question in any other sense in that does he provide a need they don't currently have. I haven't taken the time yet to go through the teams and consider who might really hope to get him, but I'm guessing there are at least a handful that would REALLY value his contributions, especially at his cost, and would want to make sure they gave the best offer if they thought he would be moved fast.

McD is likely taking calls from teams, and even if he has a really good offer, saying "not a bad offer, but we have another offer we are really considering" even if there isn't another offer. I imagine we are going to get far more than people are thinking here.

[lilfishi22]

I'd be much more excited about Ily if it wasn't for the fact we already have Telly. That said, if the deal was on the table, we'd definitely have to consider it.

Vonleh intrigues me a lot more though, wonder what it would take to swing that trade.

[Frank Lee]

I'd be firm on his value even if it means he sits for the yr. I wonder how pissed Sarver, McDuh and the Babbler are ? They sure took offense to Dragics little jabs.... Kief brung a haymaker. I make him sit and wonder for 6 months. One word answers. No access to the facility or team.

[AtheJ415]

I'd be firm on his value even if it means he sits for the yr. I wonder how pissed Sarver, McDuh and the Babbler are ? They sure took offense to Dragics little jabs.... Kief brung a haymaker. I make him sit and wonder for 6 months. One word answers. No access to the facility or team.

Denying access to the facility would bring a definite lawsuit from the NBAPA. Kieff broke the NBA Constitution by saying what he did, but you still couldn't get away with that. Not unless he actually does show up to media day or do something more detrimental to the team so that you could suspend him arguing a "pattern" of actions. Since we've not disciplined him before, his previous shenanigans can't really constitute a pattern in these scenarios.

[lilfishi22]

I'd be firm on his value even if it means he sits for the yr. I wonder how pissed Sarver, McDuh and the Babbler are ? They sure took offense to Dragics little jabs.... Kief brung a haymaker. I make him sit and wonder for 6 months. One word answers. No access to the facility or team.

Denying access to the facility would bring a definite lawsuit from the NBAPA. Kieff broke the NBA Constitution by saying what he did, but you still couldn't get away with that. Not unless he actually does show up to media day or do something more detrimental to the team so that you could suspend him arguing a "pattern" of actions. Since we've not disciplined him before, his previous shenanigans can't really constitute a pattern in these scenarios.

Really? Many players are told to stay home if they turn out to be a detriment to the team. We're not denying him pay (although I wish we could) so he cant complain about that. These are disciplinary measures which should be well in the power of NBA teams. What he said by basically calling for a trade should be enough grounds to ask him to stay away from the team.

[AtheJ415]

I'd be firm on his value even if it means he sits for the yr. I wonder how pissed Sarver, McDuh and the Babbler are ? They sure took offense to Dragics little jabs.... Kief brung a haymaker. I make him sit and wonder for 6 months. One word answers. No access to the facility or team.

Denying access to the facility would bring a definite lawsuit from the NBAPA. Kieff broke the NBA Constitution by saying what he did, but you still couldn't get away with that. Not unless he actually does show up to media day or do something more detrimental to the team so that you could suspend him arguing a "pattern" of actions. Since we've not disciplined him before, his previous shenanigans can't really constitute a pattern in these scenarios.

Really? Many players are told to stay home if they turn out to be a detriment to the team. We're not denying him pay (although I wish we could) so he cant complain about that. These are disciplinary measures which should be well in the power of NBA teams. What he said by basically calling for a trade should be enough grounds to ask him to stay away from the team.

Yes really. You can't lock them out of the facility--where they train and receive treatment, unless they do something that would show a pattern of behavior. As crazy as it may seem, since Markieff hasn't been punished previously, we likely don't have enough to show that. However, there may be some things that are in-house, such as internal warnings, that would suffice, but we have to prove he is a detriment to the team to enough of an extent to warrant such action. Usually that requires a pattern of behavior. The result of the felony could provide that opportunity, but since he wasn't punished when it happened we can't really claim a valid reason for a punishment now, at least not until the ruling comes down.

[NavLDO]

I'll say this, though, that while Kieff was somewhat reserved on what he said, THIS statement above all else is just....wow...

"If you are going to do something, do it," Markieff Morris said. "The GM, I've been there longer than him, the coaches, everybody. I've been there the longest, and I don't get the respect to be like, 'Yo Keef, we are going to trade your brother. You are our future power forward.' I'm the future power forward. I'm the premier player of the team. … That's just how business is done I guess."

He thinks he I the premier player of the team? Talk about delusional! At BEST, he's the 4th best player on the team, and that's only due to the fact that Warren is still junior.

Are you sure about that?

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Kieff may be an idiot (no argument there) but he's doing an amazing job of using GM McD's own words against him.

I don't dispute what you are saying, I just hope he doesn't honestly believe that

And tbh, of course his GM is gonna stoke his ego, but the rest of us that live in the real world, to include other teams' GMs, know better. Plus this was said prior to the Knight, so there's that. Add in Len, and you have at least three better players. Premier player paid $8M/per...oookkkk???

He sold himself short last year, then. And yes, many of use feel he's on a steal of a contract, but I seriorsly doubt anyone thinks he'd be worth more than $11M in today's dollars.

[bwgood77]

Lots of players have asked for trades (Dwight, Melo, etc). They were not locked out of facilities or even benched. Of course those are stars, but if the players are better than alternatives, you play them and then find out if it is clear they are a disruption. There is no evidence whatsoever at this point that the team will be a better team (without another addition) with him not playing. That might be the case, but we don't need to jump to conclusions yet.

[Years90Suns]

I would take Vonleh without much hesitation. He is a heck of an athlete. Randle would also be great, but the Lakers trading him shows concerns about his health.
I can hardly believe those offers are true. Too good to be real.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

What does everyone think of Boivin's article in today's AZ Republic? Are we really trying to convince Keef to stay? Or are we simply trying to create doubt among potential suitors about our desire for a trade?

[DRK]

Anyone think Faried would be a good fit for the Suns? I used to be pretty high on him but with Chandler not so sure. Maybe Denver would be willing to talk about it a bit with Keif. Faried has been on the block for a long time. Not sure they would want another knuckle head though after the Lawson fiasco. I dunno just a thought.

Fared is almost the polar opposite of what the Suns need.

Agreed. Manimal is a below average defender who dosn't posses the size and strength to hold his own in the post or against the P&R. And he lacks the shooting range to be a starting calibre PF as a tweener. His offensive game is limited to only second chance garbage points and putbacks within 10 feet of the rim. He's basically a Energizer Bunny supersub who solely specializes in crashing the boards and dominating the glass to secure new possesions for your team in limited minutes.

Chandler/Len
Mirza/Faried

That'll be one HELL of a good rebounding frontcourt... Also worth considering PJ, Bled and Warren are good rebounders at their position too. Split minutes of Len/Mirza at the 4/5. At least we get some solid young talent for Kieff.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't think Warren will prove to be a good rebounder. He has a talent for crashing the offensive glass, but I think the coaching staff wants him to get back in transition. I haven't seen any evidence that he's sold on the defensive boards.

[Toobuff]

What does everyone think of Boivin's article in today's AZ Republic? Are we really trying to convince Keef to stay? Or are we simply trying to create doubt among potential suitors about our desire for a trade?

Seems like a contrarian point of view at best. At worst she was paid by McDonough to write it lol.

Vince Marotta's piece sums up the situation pretty well:
http://arizonasports.com/2015/08/12/markieff-morris-youve-worn-out-your-welcome-in-phoenix/

I'm sure deep down McDonough has some desire (like a lot of fans do to) to call Kieff's bluff and say "screw you, shut up and play ball or you'll see the end of your career right here in Phx." But at the end of the day he's not gonna be able to do that. He will likely end up taking the best trade he can work out before training camp. Wouldn't it just be special though if in some alternate universe McDonough came out publicly and said something like "shut up you whiney little B*tch, you'll play ball where I tell you your gonna play ball and if you don't do it right then in 4 years you'll be lucky to play for a Chinese team.

[FrozenIceCubes]

Hey guys: Laker fan here do you think there is a chance Markieff is traded to the Lakers it seems like the Lakers still have a need to upgrade the talent level and I'm throughly guessing that Markieff would have no problem playing the SF position... I think we should be hearing potential suitors regarding Kieff very soon.

[NTB]

Markieff at SF? lol It would be funny.

[bwgood77]

Hey guys: Laker fan here do you think there is a chance Markieff is traded to the Lakers it seems like the Lakers still have a need to upgrade the talent level and I'm throughly guessing that Markieff would have no problem playing the SF position... I think we should be hearing potential suitors regarding Kieff very soon.

I think they will trade him anywhere if they get proper value. I think it would be funny if he were traded to the Lakers and get further from his brother. I don't think you have the right assets to trade. While I assume Bass would go to the Suns we would need more than that and I can't see you parting with anyone we would want, and probably don't want to trade away more first rounders, especially to the Suns.

[Frank Lee]

Lots of players have asked for trades (Dwight, Melo, etc). They were not locked out of facilities or even benched. Of course those are stars, but if the players are better than alternatives, you play them and then find out if it is clear they are a disruption. There is no evidence whatsoever at this point that the team will be a better team (without another addition) with him not playing. That might be the case, but we don't need to jump to conclusions yet.

Yeah, but did those players outline their plan of non cooperation like NoMoBro did ? Seem like there would not be any legal beef in this unless it was pushed by Queef...he's still getting his dough.

Don't know what to think of Bolvin... she might as well ask for the moon rather than him to be contrite.