Cliff Pennington Added from the Diamondbacks

[Santoki]

We don't have one other than Goins/Colabello (and Valencia wasn't an adequate OF by any stretch of the imagination). That's why AA just said today they're looking to trade for an OF, which was hardly surprising.

Should we assume he's looking for a right handed bat, or someone who can also play CF?

Carrera was pretty solid for us in a limited role so if he really wants a decent backup I don't see why we couldn't just keep Carrera around and not have to trade off any more assets? Unless of course he does want someone right handed who can play CF.[/quote]

Because Carrerra is terrible defensively in LF, so imagine him trying to play CF. We don't have a backup CF. I think Pillar has played every game so far. We need cover there as Revere or Bautista are not capable of covering the position in more than an emergency capacity. Pompey would be the natural person to bring up from the minors but that would mean departing with AA's treasured 8-man pen. I think he wants to find a way to get to September as is.

[Randle McMurphy]

We don't have one other than Goins/Colabello (and Valencia wasn't an adequate OF by any stretch of the imagination). That's why AA just said today they're looking to trade for an OF, which was hardly surprising.

Should we assume he's looking for a right handed bat, or someone who can also play CF?

Carrera was pretty solid for us in a limited role so if he really wants a decent backup I don't see why we couldn't just keep Carrera around and not have to trade off any more assets? Unless of course he does want someone right handed who can play CF.

I would assume they're looking for RHB somewhat like Valencia, but one that can actually play the OF adequately. Somebody in the mold of Chris Denorfia basically.

[spikeslovechild]

Encarnacion is the DH.

But he's injured. Which is exhibit A why it's important to have a couple of bench bats. In the Yankee series we had to use Pennington to pinch hit with the bases loaded.

In an ideal world we would have someone else pinch hit in key situations (ie Danny) and have Pennington play the field afterwards.

Edwin being injured is a perfect example of why the Jays needed to keep a better hitter in Colabello and not Valencia (who is nothing more than a platoon guy). That was the choice that was made.

He's hit well from both sides of the plate this year.

[spikeslovechild]

We don't have one other than Goins/Colabello (and Valencia wasn't an adequate OF by any stretch of the imagination). That's why AA just said today they're looking to trade for an OF, which was hardly surprising.

Should we assume he's looking for a right handed bat, or someone who can also play CF?

Carrera was pretty solid for us in a limited role so if he really wants a decent backup I don't see why we couldn't just keep Carrera around and not have to trade off any more assets? Unless of course he does want someone right handed who can play CF.

I would assume they're looking for RHB somewhat like Valencia, but one that can actually play the OF adequately. Somebody in the mold of Chris Denorfia basically.

That's much easier said then done.

[Randle McMurphy]

Should we assume he's looking for a right handed bat, or someone who can also play CF?

Carrera was pretty solid for us in a limited role so if he really wants a decent backup I don't see why we couldn't just keep Carrera around and not have to trade off any more assets? Unless of course he does want someone right handed who can play CF.

I would assume they're looking for RHB somewhat like Valencia, but one that can actually play the OF adequately. Somebody in the mold of Chris Denorfia basically.

That's much easier said then done.

Why? That was very clearly the plan as soon as Valencia was DFA'd.

[spikeslovechild]

I would assume they're looking for RHB somewhat like Valencia, but one that can actually play the OF adequately. Somebody in the mold of Chris Denorfia basically.

That's much easier said then done.

Why? That was very clearly the plan as soon as Valencia was DFA'd.

You act like these guys grow on trees they don't. We were looking for a platoon mate for Lind for how many years?

[Curtis Lemansky]

WE gave up our 12th rated prospect for this scrub? lol

Cy check the FFL thread please.

viewtopic.php?f=336&t=1401761&p=44452112#p44452112

[Sifu]

Giving up Valencia for nothing clearly hasn't hurt this team, but at the same time he was an asset with some tangible value.

And I think that's bothering some of us. It's like we have $5 in our pocket and just threw it away. But we have $1000 in the bank so who cares right? Some people do.

For an asset acquisition hawk like AA giving V for nothing is bizarre.

If AA really wanted to, he could have managed to keep Valencia without material risk to the team.

But that means paying his salary, which it seems to me was a bigger factor than we think.

[Santoki]

Giving up Valencia for nothing clearly hasn't hurt this team, but at the same time he was an asset with some tangible value.

And I think that's bothering some of us. It's like we have $5 in our pocket and just threw it away. But we have $1000 in the bank so who cares right? Some people do.

For an asset acquisition hawk like AA giving V for nothing is bizarre.

If AA really wanted to, he could have managed to keep Valencia without material risk to the team.

But that means paying his salary, which it seems to me was a bigger factor than we think.

Wasn't Valencia only making like $500K this year?

Prorated that's like $125K left to pay him. Even Rogers couldn't possibly be THAT cheap.

[hyper316]

Giving up Valencia for nothing clearly hasn't hurt this team, but at the same time he was an asset with some tangible value.

And I think that's bothering some of us. It's like we have $5 in our pocket and just threw it away. But we have $1000 in the bank so who cares right? Some people do.

For an asset acquisition hawk like AA giving V for nothing is bizarre.


If AA really wanted to, he could have managed to keep Valencia without material risk to the team.

But that means paying his salary, which it seems to me was a bigger factor than we think.

Wasn't Valencia only making like $500K this year?

Prorated that's like $125K left to pay him. Even Rogers couldn't possibly be THAT cheap.

$1.675M for Valencia. So prorated like $600k left

[Santoki]

Giving up Valencia for nothing clearly hasn't hurt this team, but at the same time he was an asset with some tangible value.

And I think that's bothering some of us. It's like we have $5 in our pocket and just threw it away. But we have $1000 in the bank so who cares right? Some people do.

For an asset acquisition hawk like AA giving V for nothing is bizarre.


If AA really wanted to, he could have managed to keep Valencia without material risk to the team.

But that means paying his salary, which it seems to me was a bigger factor than we think.

Wasn't Valencia only making like $500K this year?

Prorated that's like $125K left to pay him. Even Rogers couldn't possibly be THAT cheap.

$1.675M for Valencia. So prorated like $600k left

Ah I must have been confusing his salary with what was left on it when they brought him in at the deadline last year.

[Cyrus]

We traded big V for cash to Oakland, in fact every deal we have done since, we've gotten cash back (to pay remaining dollars). Like the Cliff Pennington deal.

We addition of Lowe, Hawkings, Price, Ben R, we've added like almost 13-14 mill in salary (Tulo and Reyes a wash).

Hell even the Felix Dumbront Deal we sold him off for cash money.

[Santoki]

We traded big V for cash to Oakland, in fact every deal we have done since, we've gotten cash back (to pay remaining dollars). Like the Cliff Pennington deal.

We addition of Lowe, Hawkings, Price, Ben R, we've added like almost 13-14 mill in salary (Tulo and Reyes a wash).

Hell even the Felix Dumbront Deal we sold him off for cash money.

I don't think it's close to $13-$14 million in added salary. I believe the prorated salary for all of those guys is closer to the $5 million mark that was rumoured to be left in AA's savings account.

[Cyrus]

We traded big V for cash to Oakland, in fact every deal we have done since, we've gotten cash back (to pay remaining dollars). Like the Cliff Pennington deal.

We addition of Lowe, Hawkings, Price, Ben R, we've added like almost 13-14 mill in salary (Tulo and Reyes a wash).

Hell even the Felix Dumbront Deal we sold him off for cash money.

I don't think it's close to $13-$14 million in added salary. I believe the prorated salary for all of those guys is closer to the $5 million mark that was rumoured to be left in AA's savings account.

No Fan Graphs did Salary addition article at the deadline.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/payroll-changes-at-the-2015-trade-deadline/

Adding PRice alone even pro-rated was over 8 mill, Lowe/B. R and Hawkings, probably a couple mill here and there, so over 10 for sure.

[Randle McMurphy]

We traded big V for cash to Oakland, in fact every deal we have done since, we've gotten cash back (to pay remaining dollars). Like the Cliff Pennington deal.

We addition of Lowe, Hawkings, Price, Ben R, we've added like almost 13-14 mill in salary (Tulo and Reyes a wash).

Hell even the Felix Dumbront Deal we sold him off for cash money.

I don't think it's close to $13-$14 million in added salary. I believe the prorated salary for all of those guys is closer to the $5 million mark that was rumoured to be left in AA's savings account.

No Fan Graphs did Salary addition article at the deadline.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/payroll-changes-at-the-2015-trade-deadline/

Adding PRice alone even pro-rated was over 8 mill, Lowe/B. R and Hawkings, probably a couple mill here and there, so over 10 for sure.

That article says the payroll change was under 10M.

[Santoki]

[quote="Santoki"][quote="Cyrus"]We traded big V for cash to Oakland, in fact every deal we have done since, we've gotten cash back (to pay remaining dollars). Like the Cliff Pennington deal.

We addition of Lowe, Hawkings, Price, Ben R, we've added like almost 13-14 mill in salary (Tulo and Reyes a wash).

Hell even the Felix Dumbront Deal we sold him off for cash money.

I don't think it's close to $13-$14 million in added salary. I believe the prorated salary for all of those guys is closer to the $5 million mark that was rumoured to be left in AA's savings account.[/quote]

No Fan Graphs did Salary addition article at the deadline.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/payroll-changes-at-the-2015-trade-deadline/

Adding PRice alone even pro-rated was over 8 mill, Lowe/B. R and Hawkings, probably a couple mill here and there, so over 10 for sure.[/quote]

I was under the assumption Price was making $7.2 million this year.

[Cyrus]

Fine whatever 10 mill add to payroll for 2 months is still significant...it is why in any dealing moving forward alex has wanted cash to supplement the cost of the incoming player, like Pennington. It's probably why we are giving up a higher rated prospect than normal too.

[Santoki]

Fine whatever 10 mill add to payroll for 2 months is still significant...it is why in any dealing moving forward alex has wanted cash to supplement the cost of the incoming player, like Pennington. It's probably why we are giving up a higher rated prospect than normal too.

It looks to be about $8 million total. He was rumoured to have $5-$6 million in his piggy bank. He got rid of Valencia to save another $500K. I'm not sure how he funded the other $1.5-$2.5 million but maybe he promised to pay it back in instalments with interest.