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What is the point of having an 8 man bullpen 

Post#1 » by bluerap23 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:54 am

If you are going to send out your starter in the 8th inning when he's already thrown 100 pitches?

This is on Gibby.
He made the same mistake last night and got lucky against a bad offence.

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Re: What is the point of having an 8 man bullpen 

Post#2 » by vaff87 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:47 am

I figured someone would make a stupid thread.
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Post#3 » by Natural11 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:04 am

vaff87 wrote:I figured someone would make a stupid thread.


Disagree. OP is right. Gibbons got lucky last time. This time Price was clearly winded and his velocity was down 4-5 mph.
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Post#4 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:09 am

Yeah, who would seriously leave a top 5 pitcher throwing a shutout in for the 8th inning against the Yankees' best hitters? Fire Gibbons.
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Post#5 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:12 am

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vaff87 wrote:I figured someone would make a stupid thread.


Disagree. OP is right. Gibbons got lucky last time. This time Price was clearly winded and his velocity was down 4-5 mph.

FYI, the last FB that Price threw was 95 MPH (in an inning full of 94s/95s). His first 3 FBs of the game were 92-93.
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Post#6 » by Jays4WS » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:13 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:Yeah, who would seriously leave a top 5 pitcher throwing a shutout in for the 8th inning against the Yankees' best hitters? Fire Gibbons.


He was clearly not having his best game. He allowed 10 hits at that point and threw over 100 pitches. He already did his job. Let the BP do theirs.

You're a huge apologist.
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Post#7 » by Mehar » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:14 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:Yeah, who would seriously leave a top 5 pitcher throwing a shutout in for the 8th inning against the Yankees' best hitters? Fire Gibbons.


The top 5 pitcher was not as sharp as his other two starts, allowed 11 hits, and was at 110 pitches when facing Headley (who had a couple of hits off him). Sanchez needed to be brought into face Headley. Gibbons even acknowledged his wrong move after the game, yet you keep on holding firm to your viewpoint like usual.
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Post#8 » by Jays4WS » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:15 am

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Randle McMurphy wrote:Yeah, who would seriously leave a top 5 pitcher throwing a shutout in for the 8th inning against the Yankees' best hitters? Fire Gibbons.


The top 5 pitcher was not as sharp as his other two starts, allowed 11 hits, and was at 110 pitches when facing Headley (who had a couple of hits off him). Sanchez needed to be brought into face Headley. Gibbons even acknowledged his wrong move after the game, yet you keep on holding firm to your viewpoint like usual.


I think Lowe should have been brought in. Sanchez has pitched in 3 of the last 4 games. Like the OP said, what's the point of 8 man bullpen?
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Post#9 » by Mehar » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:17 am

I wanted to get rid of Loup and keep Valencia. Loup has been sitting on the sidelines since they got rid of Valencia, while Valencia has been playing well in Oakland. He should have never been let go. I would have kept both Colabello and Valencia, and gotten rid of Loup which i had stated at that time the decision was going to be made.
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Post#10 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:19 am

Jays4WS wrote:He was clearly not having his best game. He allowed 10 hits at that point and threw over 100 pitches. He already did his job. Let the BP do theirs.

Price allowed 8 hits (mostly singles) with no walks in 7 innings against one of the best offensive teams in baseball. And while I love this odd contrived narrative that he was not pitching well, he actually pitched a great game (and got better as he went along). If something better than that is the expectation for him, he'll never reach it.

Your a huge apologist.

You're. And yes, I'm definitely an apologist for common sense.
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Post#11 » by bluerap23 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:20 am

Was thinking they should have put in Hawkins to start the 8th
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Post#12 » by bluerap23 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:24 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Jays4WS wrote:He was clearly not having his best game. He allowed 10 hits at that point and threw over 100 pitches. He already did his job. Let the BP do theirs.

Price allowed 8 hits (mostly singles) with no walks in 7 innings against one of the best offensive teams in baseball. And while I love this odd contrived narrative that he was not pitching well, he actually pitched a great game (and got better as he went along). If something better than that is the expectation for him, he'll never reach it.

Your a huge apologist.

You're. And yes, I'm definitely an apologist for common sense.


Season is a marathon not a sprint. Price is a work horse but no need to put him out there.
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Re: What is the point of having an 8 man bullpen 

Post#13 » by Jays4WS » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:24 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Jays4WS wrote:He was clearly not having his best game. He allowed 10 hits at that point and threw over 100 pitches. He already did his job. Let the BP do theirs.

Price allowed 8 hits (mostly singles) with no walks in 7 innings against one of the best offensive teams in baseball. And while I love this odd contrived narrative that he was not pitching well, he actually pitched a great game (and got better as he went along). If something better than that is the expectation for him, he'll never reach it.

Your a huge apologist.

You're. And yes, I'm definitely an apologist for common sense.


He did his job, Wilner. BP needs to do theirs. You seem to lack common sense quite often.

Price allowed 3 doubles, did you watch the game?
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Post#14 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:24 am

Jays4WS wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Jays4WS wrote:He was clearly not having his best game. He allowed 10 hits at that point and threw over 100 pitches. He already did his job. Let the BP do theirs.

Price allowed 8 hits (mostly singles) with no walks in 7 innings against one of the best offensive teams in baseball. And while I love this odd contrived narrative that he was not pitching well, he actually pitched a great game (and got better as he went along). If something better than that is the expectation for him, he'll never reach it.

Your a huge apologist.

You're. And yes, I'm definitely an apologist for common sense.


He did his job, Wilner. BP needs to do theirs. You seem to lack common sense quite often.

Price allowed 3 doubles, did you watch the game?

Your'e right. Our crazed lunatic of a manager actually used David Price in a close game of a shutout he was pitching. Ride the guy out of town on a rail already.
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Post#15 » by Jays4WS » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:25 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Jays4WS wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Price allowed 8 hits (mostly singles) with no walks in 7 innings against one of the best offensive teams in baseball. And while I love this odd contrived narrative that he was not pitching well, he actually pitched a great game (and got better as he went along). If something better than that is the expectation for him, he'll never reach it.


You're. And yes, I'm definitely an apologist for common sense.


He did his job, Wilner. BP needs to do theirs. You seem to lack common sense quite often.

Price allowed 3 doubles, did you watch the game?

Your'e right. Our crazed lunatic of a manager actually used David Price in a close game of a shutout he was pitching. Ride the guy out of town on a rail already.


Didn't blame Price, Wilner. I am blaming Gibby for bringing him out in the 8th. Your reading comprehension is lacking Wilner. I expect better listening to your shows.
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Post#16 » by Trilogy » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:28 am

Managers make decisions during games. Team loses game. Ergo, one of the decisions cost the team the game.

Seriously, rinse and **** repeat.
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Re: What is the point of having an 8 man bullpen 

Post#18 » by Michael Bradley » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:32 am

The 8 man pen is even more baffling since Gibbons only trusts 5 guys in meaningful situations, so three relievers are basically ignored unless there's a blow out or a starter leaves the game early (which isn't happening as often now).

They need a 4th OF. Badly.
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Post#19 » by Jays4WS » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:33 am

Michael Bradley wrote:The 8 man pen is even more baffling since Gibbons only trusts 5 guys in meaningful situations, so three relievers are basically ignored unless there's a blow out or a starter leaves the game early (which isn't happening as often now).

They need a 4th OF. Badly.


They are going to wait until the rosters expand in September most likely.
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Post#20 » by EastBayBoy » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:33 am

If Gibbons pulled Price before the inning started and the Jays lost, everyone would be complaining about how he should have sent out his ace in a close game against a prolific offense. Its once loss, the season isn't over.

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