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Poll: Happy or annoyed that Jays have re-captured casual fans again?

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Are you happy the Jays are becoming more popular again?

A) Yes.
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B) No.
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Re: Poll: Happy or annoyed that Jays have re-captured casual fans again? 

Post#61 » by Schad » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:38 pm

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Centre Court wrote:The unknown is what happens to attendance when the bandwagoners jump off or at least dial it back a bit?

Right now everyone is buying in and interest is at a fever pitch. Can it be sustained?


It will always be dependent on the team staying competitive.

The only way to ever fill the stadium or boost attendance to say 30-35k more consistently is to field a better product. Otherwise casual fans will always jump off the 'bandwagon'. Same thing with the Raptors in down years, you still get decent attendance from the hardcore fans and Raps are pretty luck with SSH overall. But if you want to fill the place and keep it going, you have to spend and keep the team competitive.

I think there's enough evidence to suggest it could be sustained both ratings and attendance, it's whether Rogers is committed to spending sufficiently to keep it that way.


Yep, but the positive here is that this is eliminating any source of uncertainty that Rogers might have about what a contending Jays team can bring in. Big weekend crowds are nice; big TV ratings are great, but they ebb and flow. Drawing 45k+ on Tuesday nights and Thursday getaway days (!) while selling out the stores can't be ignored.
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Post#62 » by Santoki » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:43 pm

It's pretty simple. If they win ratings, merchandise, and attendance will stay high. The ability to do that will be determined by Rogers this offseason. You would have to have absolutely no sense of the market and long-term memory issues to not know that interest for the Jays would be sky high if a winning product is put on the field.

This already happened in 2013. The buildup to the season was insane. If Rogers didn't learn then that spending on the Jays increased interest then the board of directors must entirely be made up of members that are in comas.

Spend it and they will come. The difference is this past two weeks has seen them leap into contention. Imagine sustaining that for years? This is why people here were championing the sustainability path. Throwing everything all in for one year is great but the casual fan has no loyalty to the Jays if they're not winning. If Rogers doesn't hold up their end of the bargain (which they've shown countless times they won't) then this is all for naught. And if they still can't understand the potential that the Jays can provide then the entire board of directors are incompetent **** that deserve to be fired by their shareholders.
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Post#63 » by C Court » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:58 pm

I've grabbed tickets for the Tigers, Indians, Orioles and Red Sox down the stretch.
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Post#64 » by Scott Hall » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:55 pm

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By: Star staff, Published on Tue Aug 11 2015

As if there’s any need for more evidence of Blue Jays fever sweeping the city, ticket sellers are demanding — and getting — prices well above face value on the resale market for the soldout, three-game series against the New York Yankees this weekend.

The average price for a ticket sold on Stubhub for Friday night’s game at Rogers Centre is about $95 Cdn, said Jeff Poirier, the company’s manager in Canada.

The highest ticket sold so far is about $1,370 for a Premier Dugout ticket — the face value for each ticket in this section is $75.
(The website uses U.S. dollars even though the game is in Toronto.)

There are even sellers with tickets in the 500 level (face value of $16 each) asking for just under $10,000 Cdn, but Poirier dismisses those prices.

“As a marketplace, sometimes you’ll see sellers ask a high price for an extremely popular game like this one,” he told the Star’s Daniel Otis in an email.

“However, this price is unrealistic and the ticket will likely not sell. This seller is trying to win the lottery and will most likely drop the asking price once we get closer to game time.”

Newly acquired ace David Price is slated to pitch Friday for the Jays, who are 1.5 games behind New York after sweeping the Yankees last weekend.

The TV numbers have also been record-setting.

The Jays game Sunday on Sportsnet against the Yankees attracted an average of 1.43 million viewers — the highest Blue Jays audience of the season, and just behind the largest in network history, the 2013 home opener (1.44 million).

The series vs. the Yankees had an average audience of 1.29 million viewers on Sportsnet, surpassing the series vs. the Twins last week (1.24 million) as the most-watched Blue Jays series in network history.

Sunday’s game also marks the seventh consecutive Blue Jays broadcast to eclipse the one million viewer mark, and the 11th time overall this season.

Since the trade deadline day July 31, Jays broadcasts are averaging 1.19 million viewers per game, and 1.23 million during the Blue Jays current eight-game win streak.

Sportsnet is averaging 684,000 viewers for its Blue Jays broadcasts this season.


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2nd row 3B/Left Field side and if I can get $500-1000 bucks for them I'll definitely sell them and watch the game
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Post#65 » by JaysRule15 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:37 pm

This bandwagon talk is getting pretty annoying. Who cares if people just started following the team. The bigger the fanbase, the better. Toronto hasn't sold the Rogers Centre on a consistent basis since the early 90s. It's good to see the city embracing the Blue Jays again. Loving all the new Jays gear I'm seeing on the subway and in downtown. The Raptors experienced a huge surge of popularity when they finally made the playoffs, I can't wait to see the hype in the city if the Blue Jays ever make it to the postseason after all these years.
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Post#66 » by Michael Bradley » Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:05 pm

My only beef with bandwagon fans is it will be more expensive to go to games now. I went to Opening Night against the Rays and got great seats for a reasonable price on Stubhub. I can't imagine what prices for games will be like in August and September against even a remotely intriguing opponent now.
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Post#67 » by C Court » Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:31 am

I just picked up great value tickets from Ticketmaster for the Tampa Rays (final home series) in row 2, upper bowl at 1st base for $19 each. If you don't want to overpay for tickets, buy mid to late September games now while there is a good inventory available.
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Post#68 » by PurplePJs » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:27 am

If die hard fans were as die hard as they claim they'd already have purchased tickets.
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Post#69 » by J-Roc » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:37 am

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Centre Court wrote:Thursday's game is already sold out vs Oakland. The entire Yankees series is sold out. At least one Tigers game at the end of August is sold out as well.


If we're selling out mid-weeks and pulling massive merch sales through the remainder of the year, Rogers now has a very good idea of what peak regular season revenue looks like for his club. Which means that this offseason becomes the definitive answer to the "why won't Rogers spend like a big market owner?"...one would think that the increased cash is more than enough to spur action to protect their profits, so if we don't see payroll escalating significantly to ensure that this revenue isn't a one-off, it's never going to happen under their leadership.


But they did spend a couple of years ago, and there was a surge, but the team sucked and fan interest went back to normal. What you're suggesting is a real Yankee model where you just keep spending to repair the team and never rebuilding. That's a lot of money.

I also want them to spend, but I can see they already got burned not that long ago.
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Post#70 » by dagger » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:00 pm

J-Roc wrote:
Schad wrote:
Centre Court wrote:Thursday's game is already sold out vs Oakland. The entire Yankees series is sold out. At least one Tigers game at the end of August is sold out as well.


If we're selling out mid-weeks and pulling massive merch sales through the remainder of the year, Rogers now has a very good idea of what peak regular season revenue looks like for his club. Which means that this offseason becomes the definitive answer to the "why won't Rogers spend like a big market owner?"...one would think that the increased cash is more than enough to spur action to protect their profits, so if we don't see payroll escalating significantly to ensure that this revenue isn't a one-off, it's never going to happen under their leadership.


But they did spend a couple of years ago, and there was a surge, but the team sucked and fan interest went back to normal. What you're suggesting is a real Yankee model where you just keep spending to repair the team and never rebuilding. That's a lot of money.

I also want them to spend, but I can see they already got burned not that long ago.


I'm kind of hoping, however, that the added economic benefit of new platform delivery and the networks' competition for that content changes the landscape for Rogers. The current Jays TV ratings give it another leg up on TSN, whose CFL and other properties are running at a third to half of a Jays broadcast. And keeping the Jays competitive would cost a fraction of the money it cost Rogers to buy the NHL rights. For roughly $500m per season, it gets much of the Canadian rights to the NHL, not all, and has to make that and more back from advertising alone to justify the cost. Even if it attributes part of the cost to "good will" - helping it secure primacy in the various channels where it goes head to head with Bell/TSN - that might be a hard investment to quantify, let alone cover. By contrast, if the Jays are hot, TV ratings soar - they are running at about half the level of an NHL playoff game involving two Canadian teams. This is for the regular season. If the Jays are in the playoffs, one would expect a much higher level. And since it doesn't have to compete for the Jays regular season TV rights - though it would for post-season rights - it can recover the attributed costs of those rights at the gate. The ad revenue bulge should be gravy. The ability to get people to subscribe to mobile packages based on watching the Jays on their tablet or handheld should be gravy. If they plow another $30m into the Jays, they stand to get another 500,000-1,000,000 tickets sold at the gate, covering the payroll bulge.

This is all very logical, but I've applied this logic before to Rogers, and they never failed to act with a different logic.
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Post#72 » by LittleOzzy » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:10 am

Toronto deserves to be a world class sports city for awhile after having to sit through so much garbage.

Jays are winning, Raptors are a playoff team, TFC will also make the playoffs this season. I hope this run for all three lasts for awhile and returns the city to a great sports town.
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Post#73 » by Scott Hall » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:44 am

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J-Roc wrote:
Schad wrote:
If we're selling out mid-weeks and pulling massive merch sales through the remainder of the year, Rogers now has a very good idea of what peak regular season revenue looks like for his club. Which means that this offseason becomes the definitive answer to the "why won't Rogers spend like a big market owner?"...one would think that the increased cash is more than enough to spur action to protect their profits, so if we don't see payroll escalating significantly to ensure that this revenue isn't a one-off, it's never going to happen under their leadership.


But they did spend a couple of years ago, and there was a surge, but the team sucked and fan interest went back to normal. What you're suggesting is a real Yankee model where you just keep spending to repair the team and never rebuilding. That's a lot of money.

I also want them to spend, but I can see they already got burned not that long ago.


I'm kind of hoping, however, that the added economic benefit of new platform delivery and the networks' competition for that content changes the landscape for Rogers. The current Jays TV ratings give it another leg up on TSN, whose CFL and other properties are running at a third to half of a Jays broadcast. And keeping the Jays competitive would cost a fraction of the money it cost Rogers to buy the NHL rights. For roughly $500m per season, it gets much of the Canadian rights to the NHL, not all, and has to make that and more back from advertising alone to justify the cost. Even if it attributes part of the cost to "good will" - helping it secure primacy in the various channels where it goes head to head with Bell/TSN - that might be a hard investment to quantify, let alone cover. By contrast, if the Jays are hot, TV ratings soar - they are running at about half the level of an NHL playoff game involving two Canadian teams. This is for the regular season. If the Jays are in the playoffs, one would expect a much higher level. And since it doesn't have to compete for the Jays regular season TV rights - though it would for post-season rights - it can recover the attributed costs of those rights at the gate. The ad revenue bulge should be gravy. The ability to get people to subscribe to mobile packages based on watching the Jays on their tablet or handheld should be gravy. If they plow another $30m into the Jays, they stand to get another 500,000-1,000,000 tickets sold at the gate, covering the payroll bulge.

This is all very logical, but I've applied this logic before to Rogers, and they never failed to act with a different logic.


If they plow another $30m into the Jays, they stand to get another 500,000-1,000,000 tickets sold at the gate, covering the payroll bulge.


Hmmm $30m sounds about right to resign David Price :wink:
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Post#74 » by Scott Hall » Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:54 am

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Post#75 » by tecumseh18 » Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:01 pm

dagger wrote:If they plow another $30m into the Jays, they stand to get another 500,000-1,000,000 tickets sold at the gate, covering the payroll bulge.

This is all very logical, but I've applied this logic before to Rogers, and they never failed to act with a different logic.


Here's what I take to be Rogers logic: We had a successful year at the current budget, why increase it?

Oligopolistic companies don't think in terms of spending money to make more money. Entrepreneurs fantasize about upside potential, but not these guys.
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Post#76 » by Santoki » Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:07 pm

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dagger wrote:If they plow another $30m into the Jays, they stand to get another 500,000-1,000,000 tickets sold at the gate, covering the payroll bulge.

This is all very logical, but I've applied this logic before to Rogers, and they never failed to act with a different logic.


Here's what I take to be Rogers logic: We had a successful year at the current budget, why increase it?

Oligopolistic companies don't think in terms of spending money to make more money. Entrepreneurs fantasize about upside potential, but not these guys.


It's the President's job to have them understand the reality of competing at the same level for the next couple of years based on the current and projected roster if payroll stays the same. Beeston hasn't been successful at getting them to understand when to infuse money at the right time. In fact, I'm actually not sure what Beeston has contributed over the past couple of years besides lying publicly for Rogers.
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Post#77 » by Scott Hall » Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:07 pm

The Blue Jays' extra ticket and beer sales have almost paid for Troy Tulowitzki's contract already
By Grant Brisbee  @mccoveychron on Aug 14, 2015, 2:18p 10


Nick Turchiaro-USA TODAY Sports

That's not how this is supposed to work, Blue Jays.

When the Blue Jays traded Jose Reyes and prospects for Troy Tulowitzki, no money exchanged hands. Tulowitzki was owed $94 million after this season and Reyes was owed $48 million. That means the Blue Jays assumed an extra ... uh ...

/pulls off socks

An extra $46 million. It was a risk. Except, the Blue Jays have apparently almost made that money back already. From Financial Post:

Overall, (Team Marketing) estimates that group of four would pay $270.43 for the whole trip to the ball game, just a few dollars over the MLB average.

That works out to $67.61 per person. Multiply that by 465,000 more bums in seats and you’ve got a whopping $31.4 million — more than triple the extra spending on salaries.

Now, I'm no economan, so I can't replicate those numbers. And those are Canadian dollars, which are about 75 percent as strong as U.S. dollars right now. Still, we're talking about two weeks of extra Blue Jays excitement.

It's almost like ... getting the fans excited helps teams make money? Maybe the Marlins haven't been right this whole time.


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