Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired?

[Toobuff]

There is no question Ryan Mcdonough had an amazing first year as GM of the suns. Now a little over two years later there are several question marks regarding his performance. One can't help but wonder why Goran Dragic lost faith/trust in the Suns front office? What was the deal with Isaiah Thomas? Didn't Mcdonough realize (or at least plan for the fact) that if he signed Thomas and then Bledsoe signed that there would be a huge problem with too many guards on the team? Finally, what was he thinking when he traded Marcus Morris? I understand going after Lamarcus Aldrige but I'm certain the trade of Marcus could have been handled better, I mean, how could it have been handled worse. So now we are stuck in a situation where we have to trade Markieff from a seriously disadvantageous position. There are real questions about how the Sun's front office is doing business and the way they communicate with the players. Personally I think the front office makes promises to people that they have no intention (or at least no ability) to keep. What was promised to Dragic that made him "loose trust" in the front office? What was said to Isaiah Thomas that made him so happy to be a Sun, only to be traded away mid season. What was said to the Morris's when they got their contract extensions only to be split up and traded away? You have to wonder what promises have been made to all the new player acquisitions and how many of those promises will be kept or broken.

Is it time to fire McDonough, make amends with Markieff and go try to have a winning season???????

[NTB]

I like what McDonough is trying to do. I support him and I think he is one of great GMs in NBA.

[MrMiyagi]

I think we should fire half this board.......

[Frank Lee]

I'll be the first to say no (edit... the third)
Nor do you make amends with NoMoBro.
Carry on forward, roll with the punches.... but quit getting into these kind of fights. Learn from mistakes. This isn't all on McDuh.

I will add... inexperience and 'only a few seasons here' excuses should soon end. I will judge him on how his most recent moves work out, and what he does in the near future.

Cant call for his head while ignoring the other two

PS...

.......and I think he is one of great GMs in NBA.

Just curious, as you have had to given this some thought.... Who are your top 5 and just how many great GMs are there?

[MrMiyagi]

There is no question Ryan Mcdonough had an amazing first year as GM of the suns. Now a little over two years later there are several question marks regarding his performance. One can't help but wonder why Goran Dragic lost faith/trust in the Suns front office? What was the deal with Isaiah Thomas? Didn't Mcdonough realize (or at least plan for the fact) that if he signed Thomas and then Bledsoe signed that there would be a huge problem with too many guards on the team? Finally, what was he thinking when he traded Marcus Morris? I understand going after Lamarcus Aldrige but I'm certain the trade of Marcus could have been handled better, I mean, how could it have been handled worse. So now we are stuck in a situation where we have to trade Markieff from a seriously disadvantageous position. There are real questions about how the Sun's front office is doing business and the way they communicate with the players. Personally I think the front office makes promises to people that they have no intention (or at least no ability) to keep. What was promised to Dragic that made him "loose trust" in the front office? What was said to Isaiah Thomas that made him so happy to be a Sun, only to be traded away mid season. What was said to the Morris's when they got their contract extensions only to be split up and traded away? You have to wonder what promises have been made to all the new player acquisitions and how many of those promises will be kept or broken.

Is it time to fire McDonough, make amends with Markieff and go try to have a winning season???????

The unprofessionalism of the trading of Marcus is entirely on Marcus, and now Markieff. Trades are a part of the business of the NBA, just because you don't like where you've been traded or that you're brother has been traded, does not give you the right to bad mouth an organization. Most of their remarks don't seem like they have actual basis, they're broad and vague reflective of their feelings, not of the circumstance.

As for the IT situation, why is it McD's fault that Dragic and IT's egos clashed? Why isn't it on the players to make it work. I'm not buying this preciousness being placed on these GROWN MEN. Like they shouldn't be expected to handle their business, man up and talk to the guys on their own team. I would rather Dragic have said "I don't like Isaiah, he's selfish" than "I don't trust this FO".

[Frank Lee]

Dragons dont lie, they just would rather live by the sea

[MrMiyagi]

Dragons dont lie, they just would rather live by the sea

Clever phrasing doesn't cover the scent of bullsh*t, Frank.

[Toobuff]

The unprofessionalism of the trading of Marcus is entirely on Marcus, and now Markieff. Trades are a part of the business of the NBA, just because you don't like where you've been traded or that you're brother has been traded, does not give you the right to bad mouth an organization. Most of their remarks don't seem like they have actual basis, they're broad and vague reflective of their feelings, not of the circumstance.

As for the IT situation, why is it McD's fault that Dragic and IT's egos clashed? Why isn't it on the players to make it work. I'm not buying this preciousness being placed on these GROWN MEN. Like they shouldn't be expected to handle their business, man up and talk to the guys on their own team. I would rather Dragic have said "I don't like Isaiah, he's selfish" than "I don't trust this FO".

McDonough bears some responsibility because he, like the rest of us, already knows that a lot of these "professional" athletes are nothing more than self entitled over paid adolescents. It's his job to manage how it all plays out.

[jcsunsfan]

Oh good grief no! Who would you hire to replace him? I think the problem guy is stepping down already. Babby is an agent and agents tell players what they wNt to hear.

[Frank Lee]

Dragons dont lie, they just would rather live by the sea

Clever phrasing doesn't cover the scent of bullsh*t, Frank.

From Bullish*t grows the sweetest rose....

[enigmatics]

I'm not a fan of McDonUh-Oh. I think his handling of the franchise after that 2013 season nobody saw coming shows me that he's inflexible. He treats players like assets, nothing more nothing less and has some kind of vision in his head for redefining the NBA game with a two point guard system that most in the basketball community (from what I can see/read) are scratching their heads at.

That being said, I've thought a little bit more about the Marcus situation. I think both Morrii are complete self-entitled douche-lords .... just all-around bad character players that are terrible for a locker room. Originally I was going to come on here and say that Ryan McD can't be completely absconded of responsibility in the situation, but then I got to thinking some more. With the state of the relationship between the Morrii and the franchise, had Ryan gone to Marcus first and explained the trade - it might have ruined the surprise of the Suns trying to snag Aldridge. I mean those Morrii don't know how to keep their f*ckin' mouths shut. They tweet everything.

[NTB]

I'll be the first to say no (edit... the third)
Nor do you make amends with NoMoBro.
Carry on forward, roll with the punches.... but quit getting into these kind of fights. Learn from mistakes. This isn't all on McDuh.

I will add... inexperience and 'only a few seasons here' excuses should soon end. I will judge him on how his most recent moves work out, and what he does in the near future.

Cant call for his head while ignoring the other two

PS...

.......and I think he is one of great GMs in NBA.

Just curious, as you have had to given this some thought.... Who are your top 5 and just how many great GMs are there?

Presti
Riley
Myers
Morey
.
.
.

These are some good GMs. Not in particular order btw.

[JacobHoward]

There is no question Ryan Mcdonough had an amazing first year as GM of the suns. Now a little over two years later there are several question marks regarding his performance. One can't help but wonder why Goran Dragic lost faith/trust in the Suns front office? What was the deal with Isaiah Thomas? Didn't Mcdonough realize (or at least plan for the fact) that if he signed Thomas and then Bledsoe signed that there would be a huge problem with too many guards on the team? Finally, what was he thinking when he traded Marcus Morris? I understand going after Lamarcus Aldrige but I'm certain the trade of Marcus could have been handled better, I mean, how could it have been handled worse. So now we are stuck in a situation where we have to trade Markieff from a seriously disadvantageous position. There are real questions about how the Sun's front office is doing business and the way they communicate with the players. Personally I think the front office makes promises to people that they have no intention (or at least no ability) to keep. What was promised to Dragic that made him "loose trust" in the front office? What was said to Isaiah Thomas that made him so happy to be a Sun, only to be traded away mid season. What was said to the Morris's when they got their contract extensions only to be split up and traded away? You have to wonder what promises have been made to all the new player acquisitions and how many of those promises will be kept or broken.

Is it time to fire McDonough, make amends with Markieff and go try to have a winning season???????

The unprofessionalism of the trading of Marcus is entirely on Marcus, and now Markieff. Trades are a part of the business of the NBA, just because you don't like where you've been traded or that you're brother has been traded, does not give you the right to bad mouth an organization. Most of their remarks don't seem like they have actual basis, they're broad and vague reflective of their feelings, not of the circumstance.

As for the IT situation, why is it McD's fault that Dragic and IT's egos clashed? Why isn't it on the players to make it work. I'm not buying this preciousness being placed on these GROWN MEN. Like they shouldn't be expected to handle their business, man up and talk to the guys on their own team. I would rather Dragic have said "I don't like Isaiah, he's selfish" than "I don't trust this FO".

I think Toobuff is referring to the fact that McD never even called Marcus to inform him of the trade. Apparently the twins found out about the trade when all of us found out. If that's true, then that's on McD. There's no excuse for him not to personally call Marcus to inform him of the trade. Apparently, that's the main reason the twins are so pissed.

[Frank Lee]

McDonUh-Oh

Given that is their biggest gripe...

had Ryan gone to Marcus first and explained the trade

...
they would have no wind for their pissy sails.

[enigmatics]

McDonUh-Oh

Given that is their biggest gripe...

had Ryan gone to Marcus first and explained the trade

...
they would have no wind for their pissy sails.

I'm not sure I agree. Again, we're talking about two very self-entitled personalities. In their heads, they took a "discount" (which is laughable). We were the ones doing THEM a favor by reuniting them and allowing them to play together.

Alas, the moment McDonUh-Oh would have gone to Marcus to explain the trade, he still would not have taken it well. This whole "He didn't come to me like a man and tell me about the trade" stuff is blasphemy. They both would have went straight to social media and continued their b*tch-fest.

[toucansma]

There is no question Ryan Mcdonough had an amazing first year as GM of the suns. Now a little over two years later there are several question marks regarding his performance. One can't help but wonder why Goran Dragic lost faith/trust in the Suns front office? What was the deal with Isaiah Thomas? Didn't Mcdonough realize (or at least plan for the fact) that if he signed Thomas and then Bledsoe signed that there would be a huge problem with too many guards on the team? Finally, what was he thinking when he traded Marcus Morris? I understand going after Lamarcus Aldrige but I'm certain the trade of Marcus could have been handled better, I mean, how could it have been handled worse. So now we are stuck in a situation where we have to trade Markieff from a seriously disadvantageous position. There are real questions about how the Sun's front office is doing business and the way they communicate with the players. Personally I think the front office makes promises to people that they have no intention (or at least no ability) to keep. What was promised to Dragic that made him "loose trust" in the front office? What was said to Isaiah Thomas that made him so happy to be a Sun, only to be traded away mid season. What was said to the Morris's when they got their contract extensions only to be split up and traded away? You have to wonder what promises have been made to all the new player acquisitions and how many of those promises will be kept or broken.

Is it time to fire McDonough, make amends with Markieff and go try to have a winning season???????

The unprofessionalism of the trading of Marcus is entirely on Marcus, and now Markieff. Trades are a part of the business of the NBA, just because you don't like where you've been traded or that you're brother has been traded, does not give you the right to bad mouth an organization. Most of their remarks don't seem like they have actual basis, they're broad and vague reflective of their feelings, not of the circumstance.

As for the IT situation, why is it McD's fault that Dragic and IT's egos clashed? Why isn't it on the players to make it work. I'm not buying this preciousness being placed on these GROWN MEN. Like they shouldn't be expected to handle their business, man up and talk to the guys on their own team. I would rather Dragic have said "I don't like Isaiah, he's selfish" than "I don't trust this FO".

I think Toobuff is referring to the fact that McD never even called Marcus to inform him of the trade. Apparently the twins found out about the trade when all of us found out. If that's true, then that's on McD. There's no excuse for him not to personally call Marcus to inform him of the trade. Apparently, that's the main reason the twins are so pissed.

If they didn't call I agree that is unprofessional. However, how do we know they didn't try though? The brothers were traveling out of the country when the trade went down. Who knows if they were able to get through to them. Time may have been of the essence (due to LMA) and they could only wait so long.

[Frank Lee]

They should have at least tweeted it to them ... #inyoface

You are likely right Enig... doesn't really matter now as they sh*t in our living room

[letsgosuns]

Fire McDonough? Think about the players he has acquired through trade, signed, and gone after in free agency. Now think about what Lance Blanks and Lon Babby did together. Beasley, Childress, Turkoglu, Marshall, Scola, traded for Marcus, gave Gordon a max offer sheet (worked out terrible so far for the Hornets), fired Gentry, hired Hunter. That GM combination was a disaster. McDonough came in and in one offseason turned the team around with HIS trades and moves. It is not his fault the Morris brothers went off the deep end last season.

Communication problems? Who cares how they communicate with the Morris brothers. Those guys are so disrespectful to media, fans, even other players in the league for no reason. They go out of their way to insult people. Has anybody ever seen a twitter war between a professional athlete and fans like Marcus just recently had. I am sure the front office traded Marcus and were thinking to hell with him. You want respect shown to you? Do not verbally assault the coach on national television. Regardless of what was said to cover that up situation, it was unforgivable. Hence why Marcus was given away this offseason for a second round pick.

Btw, all of these players are assets. The owner can do whatever he wants with them. Didn't Jason Kidd find out he was traded from Mark Curtis' NBC 12 news story in 2001? Trades are not easy things for players. Although, bottom line is they still collect their paycheck and are NBA players. Also, I will stress that two supreme class acts like Knight and Chandler are ecstatic to be in Phoenix. And this is going to be only the third season with McDonough as the GM. The ultimate test is court results, not how he handles the feelings of losers like the Morris brothers. Let's see how the team plays first before fans want to fire him because of a crazy situation involving crazy players.

[Bogyo]

I have soured on McD since the last offseason. Initially I loved when he got the job, as he had a very solid background, was speaking very well, etc... But this asset hoarding mentality along with the 2 pg crap has gotten out of hand a bit, and so far I do not see evidence that he is learning (learned) from these situations.
We can look at each case differently, and make up excuses for him - and some of those are really legit - but if there is so much turmoil and bad remarks from players/previous players towards the management it just reeks bad business after a while. Where there is smoke there is fire...
I think he has one-two more seasons, depending on the outcome of this Kief situation, the development of our team (especially the young guys-his draft picks), and the "outcome" of some previous trades (hello lakers pick).
If we don't take steps forward in a season or two, or we'll have another case like Dragic/IT/Morri/Frye/Bledsoe, then I will want him gone asap.

[Frank Lee]

Fire McDonough? Think about the players he has acquired through trade, signed, and gone after in free agency. .........

Chasing butterflies does not make you a collector


Lets not turn this into a love-fest. I woke up today with an air of restraint.