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Post#21 » by benchmobbin02 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:20 am

A lot to see from this game for the backs. T-Pain and Dyer both had the same amount of carries. T-Pain was with the starting oline and Dyer with the 2nd team pretty much. Both looked average. Tay-Train (I hope this doesn't stick as Murray's nickname) looked good making cuts and finding holes. Helu didn't play. Best thing was the one series Jones got and really flashed as a guy that we can give the ball 3-6 times a game and get in space. Looked fast and confident with the ball.
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Post#22 » by FNQ » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:22 pm

Taiwan looks for real..still has that crazy speed. Still just a gadget player though.

I'm thinking TRich makes the roster if he looks the same as Dyer due to gtd money
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Post#23 » by FNQ » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:27 pm

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oh trent..
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Post#24 » by benchmobbin02 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:49 am

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oh trent..


That still pic is hilarious!

Its a different story when the play is in motion.

First off, the play is a power play designed for T-Pain to follow the pulling guard (Jackson) around the right edge where Walford and Rivera are suppose to seal the DE and hopefully Rivera peels off the doubleteam and gets a piece of the OLB to seal him too.

Then Jackson can peel around the edge and headhunt the secondary player/s and T-Pain has an easier route to the endzone.

Well, the whole thing gets blown up by the DE smashin Walford and pushing him into the backfield. Rivera isn't able to get enough of the OLB (being distracted by helping Walford with the DE) and just lets him go.

Now Jackson has a choice of whether to block the corner or the OLB, whiffs and misses both and they gang tackle T-Pain but not after he twists for 1.5yrds

Now T-pain could have cut to that middle hole after his first 2 steps but I bet its pretty hard when your screamed at all camp to follow your lead blockers and a different hole flashes in front of you for 1 sec.

Yes, one sec! By the time that hole opens his body is already in motion following his blocker. For him to have made the cut to the middle hole successfully he would have had to anticipate it being there. Since that isn't what was practiced he didn't.

Now a back like Sanders or Charles or LT with superior lateral quickness and hole vision maybe could have made that cut 50% of the time on a guess but I'd say 90% of the backs in the league don't even see that hole til it's too late like T-Pain.

Sorry for the long spell. It's the frustration of a former Kick and Punt returner/ scat back in High school and college getting yelled at in the film room for missing hole you never see and/or aren't expecting to be there.

The solution to that is having Lee Smith in with Walford. Smith is able to get more of the DE and maybe Walford is able to get the OLB sealed.

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Post#25 » by FNQ » Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:52 pm

https://twitter.com/TullyBeChillin/status/632616734885736448

Video can be seen there. I dunno that 90% of backs miss that hole. I think a lot of starting backs see it, hit it. In fact, I think Latavius is quick/aware enough to hit that same hole.. we'll see. But with Richardson, its another in a long list of missed opportunities for him. The good news is, he looks quicker and still packs a wallop. But that vision.. its gotta improve. If he doesnt have tunnel vision to the right, he sees the gap, blasts through it, easy TD.
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Post#26 » by benchmobbin02 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:56 pm

FNQ wrote:https://twitter.com/TullyBeChillin/status/632616734885736448

Video can be seen there. I dunno that 90% of backs miss that hole. I think a lot of starting backs see it, hit it. In fact, I think Latavius is quick/aware enough to hit that same hole.. we'll see. But with Richardson, its another in a long list of missed opportunities for him. The good news is, he looks quicker and still packs a wallop. But that vision.. its gotta improve. If he doesnt have tunnel vision to the right, he sees the gap, blasts through it, easy TD.


I said they wouldn't see it til it's too late. What I mean by too late is when the MLB and OLB from the Left fill that gap. It's hard to judge so I shouldn't have put a # on it but many wouldn't hit it fast enough to make real yardage.

If you pause the video at 5 sec, right when he is being given the ball you can see he is on his left foot.

Rich is getting the ball and is taught to follow his blocker, see the MLB (the defender assigned to him if playing man coverage, who is in perfect position and staring at him) and look to the right (where the play was suppose to run).

Now if he anticipates that hole in the middle opening and he plants his right foot and drives for the hole, he is meeting the MLB and OLB head on with no blocking.

Or he can trust his blocking and let the play develop and take what you can get. We hear all the time coaches and play by play guys preaching being patience with blocks.

Yes, some backs could have made a great cut there and even maybe made one of the backers miss in the hole. But they are special guys and we are talking about our backup to 3rd string guy.

I agree his vision is lacking but that example isn't a good show of it IMO.
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