Should Ryan Mcdonough be fired?

Leapinlarry22 · Post #21 » by **Leapinlarry22** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:52 pm

I personally believe the problem has been Lon Blabby myself. Remember he was just removed from making personnel decisions very recently.

He is the one that so publicly defended signing the brothers to extensions signing Zoran and the synergy it would create. I think he was the problem pre-Ryan McD, but Lance blanks took the fall, and I think he's been the problem since. I think starting now over the next two seasons you can judge Ryan McD solely

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Toobuff · Post #22 » by **Toobuff** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:02 pm

All professional athletes know they can be traded at any time. Even one's as stupid as the Morris's know that. So why the reaction from them? The only way you can explain the Morris's behavior is if they were told or led to believe they would be kept together here on the Suns for the remainder of their contract. That by itself is not completely damning to the front office. But when you add in the Dragic situation you cant help but wonder what kind of promises the front office is making to these guys. Your can't tell a guy he's gonna be your point guard of the future (Dragic) then all of the sudden tell him........uh gee about that point guard of the future thing.......ya uh........your gonna be playing shooting guard. Your can't tell the Morris's - sign here, take this contract and you'll be together on the Phx. Suns for the next four years then trade one of them away and try to recruit a replacement for the other one and not expect them to be pissed. We don't know what was said to these guys behind closed doors. What promises, if any, were made. But jeese, you gotta wonder, the evidence just keeps piling up.

I'm not trying to justify the Morris's behavior. Everyone knows they handled the situation like the little whiney babies they are. But everyone knew they were little whiney babies -- shouldn't McDonough have seen this coming from a mile away?

toucansma · Post #23 » by **toucansma** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:11 pm

Bogyo wrote:I have soured on McD since the last offseason. Initially I loved when he got the job, as he had a very solid background, was speaking very well, etc... But this asset hoarding mentality along with the 2 pg crap has gotten out of hand a bit, and so far I do not see evidence that he is learning (learned) from these situations.
We can look at each case differently, and make up excuses for him - and some of those are really legit - but if there is so much turmoil and bad remarks from players/previous players towards the management it just reeks bad business after a while. Where there is smoke there is fire...
I think he has one-two more seasons, depending on the outcome of this Kief situation, the development of our team (especially the young guys-his draft picks), and the "outcome" of some previous trades (hello lakers pick).
If we don't take steps forward in a season or two, or we'll have another case like Dragic/IT/Morri/Frye/Bledsoe, then I will want him gone asap.

His 2 PG "wish" might be just based on what he sees talent wise around the league. Right now there are more good to very good PGs than SGs. Players that may been that 2-3 in the past, now seem to gravitate towards 3-4(stretch) in systems. So if more talented SGs come into the league he might not be as big on the concept in the future.

saintEscaton · Post #24 » by **saintEscaton** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:22 pm

Jury is still out on our prematurely anointed Messiah. I'll give him a couple of more years tops to redeem himself. ( And no remaining a "competitive squad" that hovers north of Mt .500 isn''t enough). Only way I can see him doing that is if he puts his heralded scouting prowess to use and somehow strikes gold while drafting in an unfavorable position. That's our only avenue for salvation. A marquee FA signing/blockbluster trade seems as unlikely as ever. Then we can call for his head and send him to the guillotine if he continues with his laboratorial Dexter the Mad Scientist tinkering ways and keeps outsmarting himself by making lateral counter-intuitive moves with no over-arching vision in sight.Two steps backward for every pre-emptive step forward. McDuh is the slimy frog who has yet to complete the arduous climb out of the water well. Perpetually condemned to a Sisyphian task of pushing the bolder up the mountain only for it to come tumbling down once again. His efforts are in vain but why does he expect different results when he persists on making the same mistakes? The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead. Is coming full circle considered progress?As a fanbase our standards have dropped so low over the years that we just reassuringly tell ourselves that anything is better than Blanks as solace while giving him the benefit of doubt. The clock is now ticking and a verdict must be reached in due time. McDuh isn't a rook on the job anymore so inexperience cannot come to his defense. Neither can shifting of the culpability on to the trainwreck he inherited from the last regime.

Post #25 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:25 pm

I wouldn't consider firing him yet, but I have questioned some of his moves and non moves and handling of situations. He seems very calculated and strategic which is good and I think he is obviously not a people person so he should have a people person as an assistant who handles communication to players.

RaisingArizona · Post #26 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:07 pm

lol, wut

RaisingArizona · Post #27 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:15 pm

Should this thread be locked? Yes.

Bogyo · Post #28 » by **Bogyo** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:35 pm

toucansma wrote:
Bogyo wrote:I have soured on McD since the last offseason. Initially I loved when he got the job, as he had a very solid background, was speaking very well, etc... But this asset hoarding mentality along with the 2 pg crap has gotten out of hand a bit, and so far I do not see evidence that he is learning (learned) from these situations.
We can look at each case differently, and make up excuses for him - and some of those are really legit - but if there is so much turmoil and bad remarks from players/previous players towards the management it just reeks bad business after a while. Where there is smoke there is fire...
I think he has one-two more seasons, depending on the outcome of this Kief situation, the development of our team (especially the young guys-his draft picks), and the "outcome" of some previous trades (hello lakers pick).
If we don't take steps forward in a season or two, or we'll have another case like Dragic/IT/Morri/Frye/Bledsoe, then I will want him gone asap.

His 2 PG "wish" might be just based on what he sees talent wise around the league. Right now there are more good to very good PGs than SGs. Players that may been that 2-3 in the past, now seem to gravitate towards 3-4(stretch) in systems. So if more talented SGs come into the league he might not be as big on the concept in the future.

Yeah, we'll also see about that in the near future. There are more and more young 2s coming into their own nowdays, Butler, Beal, Middleton, Klay, and I'm pretty sure one-two other guys will break out soon enough. We did draft Booker (who is about 2 years away I think), so thats a plus for me.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #29 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:35 pm

I've not had a problem with any of his moves. In two years, he's turned a dumpster fire into a roster full of promising young talent, valuable contracts, and future picks. The answer to this question isn't just no, it's **** no.

kennydorglas · Post #30 » by **kennydorglas** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:13 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:Should this thread be locked? Yes.

Seriously... it's almost unbelievable.
wtf is wrong with this people?

Damkac · Post #31 » by **Damkac** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:31 pm

Of course he should be fired. He works on this team for whole two years. In this time he should won at least three titles.

SkinnyOMiller · Post #32 » by **SkinnyOMiller** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:43 pm

NTB wrote:I like what McDonough is trying to do. I support him and I think he is one of great GMs in NBA.

This. Give me a **** break with the whole "grass is greener" nonsense. There are very few GM's in the NBA I would rather have. Every single GM makes bad mistakes but if you compare this roster to what it looked pre-McDonough and what it looks like now, the difference is like night and day.

No bad contracts, promising young talent and well set for the future in terms of draft picks.

Saberestar · Post #33 » by **Saberestar** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:44 pm

SkinnyOMiller · Post #34 » by **SkinnyOMiller** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:46 pm

kennydorglas wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Should this thread be locked? Yes.

Seriously... it's almost unbelievable.
wtf is wrong with this people?

On every fan forum of every team in every sport theres usually a few yahoos who want the coach, GM or both gone. You even had some Patriots fans claiming a few years ago that Belichick was "done", "washed up" and needed to be replaced.

McDonough hasnt been perfect but he has cleaned up the mess created by the previous front office quite nicely.

SkinnyOMiller · Post #35 » by **SkinnyOMiller** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:54 pm

Bogyo wrote:I have soured on McD since the last offseason. Initially I loved when he got the job, as he had a very solid background, was speaking very well, etc... But this asset hoarding mentality along with the 2 pg crap has gotten out of hand a bit, and so far I do not see evidence that he is learning (learned) from these situations.
We can look at each case differently, and make up excuses for him - and some of those are really legit - but if there is so much turmoil and bad remarks from players/previous players towards the management it just reeks bad business after a while. Where there is smoke there is fire...
I think he has one-two more seasons, depending on the outcome of this Kief situation, the development of our team (especially the young guys-his draft picks), and the "outcome" of some previous trades (hello lakers pick).
If we don't take steps forward in a season or two, or we'll have another case like Dragic/IT/Morri/Frye/Bledsoe, then I will want him gone asap.

I think people need to come to terms with Hornacek favoring the 2 PG system. A good GM tries to find players that fit what the coaching staff wants to do, that is what McDonough has done.

AtheJ415 · Post #36 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:00 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:I think we should fire half this board.......

Yup. It's embarrassing that this is even a thread.

Post #37 » by **Qwigglez** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:39 am

I think this is a good topic of debate. McD has been great for the most part, but some of his moves have been questionable. Do I think he should be fired? No, not really. But first let's see where this season takes us to really determine how well he has been of a GM.

saintEscaton · Post #38 » by **saintEscaton** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:41 am

Qwigglez wrote:I think this is a good topic of debate. McD has been great for the most part, but some of his moves have been questionable. Do I think he should be fired? No, not really. But first let's see where this season takes us to really determine how well he has been of a GM.

We need to open up the dialogue between reasonable posters like you and the open dissenters such as myself. Meet me halfway

TeamTragic · Post #39 » by **TeamTragic** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:58 am

Damkac wrote:Of course he should be fired. He works on this team for whole two years. In this time he should won at least three titles.

This thread should be locked without hesitation. We should fire McD because Dragic/Morri/Green complained? GTFO :lol:

Frank Lee · Post #40 » by **Frank Lee** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:12 am

Why lock a thread ? Don't like reading what you don't like to write ?

Some valid concerns swirl about ... Third yr on the job, and he's into his second rebuild. :ouch:

But hey, most of the dissenting sentiments are of a wait and see nature. For some here, the honeymoon is over.

Y'all have to admit, the farm is riding on this back court.

PS...slimy frog equals tadpole right ? :razz:

nice rip