Do you still believe in your Goat?

[Bishop45]

I've stood up for him when others wanted him traded, probably more times than I can count.

He, as many of us seen last year, was a bad fit at the 2. Would he/will he play better now that he's officially back at the one with a better team?

Personally I think he lacks the skills to be as ball dominant as he has been and wouldn't mind a replacement. Essentially I thought a Shabazz/Rio back up unit was real solid but that is in the past now. Maybe he could fit in well with the second unit, idk, we've never seen them play together

In the event that he stays we should give him his #6 cape back



In the event that he's gone, this also doubles as a farewell thread

TJ/Rich radicals, also open to share... I'd go Rich over Tj in such a scenario because of his physical advantages but not sure either are point guards

[QUIZ]

Rio is a better 3pt shooter than TJ. That is something to consider. I know Rio didn't help his case by being Wade levels of bad from 3 last year but throughout his career he has been a solid 3pt shooter.

Move Rio off ball and have him strictly play backup point and we should be fine. I also find J.Rich more exciting than TJ but he still has a ways to go with his 3pt shot as well.

[Bishop45]

With the type of spacing we'd have, I could see Rio having a resurgence in 3pt%. wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with two 40% 3pt shooters with all the PNR coverage opposing teams are going to have to do

Think it's a question of 3D player over point guard... which is tough because we don't know how well this current back-up unit could play together but I'd hate to find out too late that Rio is our Dion Waiters

[Paz]

Regarding TJ/Rio/JRich... I will take the player that runs the offense better and lock down the opposing player. I think they're all about on the same level right now so it's hard to determine the better fit. I think TJ may be most apt to back up Goran right now because he's not trying to take over the game and isolate too often. He is more fluid, he keeps the ball moving, which is what we need.

[MartyConlonJr]

Also TJ shot 37.5% from three, Chalmers is a career 36.2% and 4 of his 7 seasons had a percentage below TJ's average.

Small sample size and TJ started off super hot, and cooled towards the end of the season, but its not like TJ can't stick it or Chalmers is all world here

[Bishop45]

I don't think Tj would have any problems playing off the ball either, I just worry if he can play point lone without Goran or Wade because that's really where he excelled last season. My problem with that is that I can't judge how well he did or could do at point because most of his minutes last season were in 3 guard rotations where he was probably never really running point. Could be a Cole situation where we just haven't seen him play enough to actually hate him for his faults. I don't feel like he's shown he's got the skillset to be pg or that he could become elite at something that would make him a commodity(yet), right now I'd feel better with him as an sg but I don't think he's gotten a real shot to prove himself either

[fishfuego.]

I feel it is going to be guards by committee with the exception of Dragic and Wade.

[QUIZ]

Also TJ shot 37.5% from three, Chalmers is a career 36.2% and 4 of his 7 seasons had a percentage below TJ's average.

Small sample size and TJ started off super hot, and cooled towards the end of the season, but its not like TJ can't stick it or Chalmers is all world here

Bruh… stop it… just stop.

Mario Chalmers is indeed a 36.2% 3pt shooter over his career but with a sample size of over 1800 3's attempted!!

Tyler Johnson has taken 48 3's over his entire career. A small sample size is an understatement. His 3pt percentage means absolutely nothing. He's made 18 3's… lol.

To put it in perspective if TJ came into a game tired after a bad nights sleep and missed 2 three's instead of making them suddenly he'd be a 33.3% 3pt shooter.

Mario Chalmers is the better and more proven 3 point shooter by far and no argument can be made otherwise based on their stats.

[Temuhjan]

Wario is past his prime. His treys lack legs. I will hate to witness him shoot 29.4% from the three two seasons in a row. At this point of the career, I would rather roll the dice with TJ.

[MartyConlonJr]

Also TJ shot 37.5% from three, Chalmers is a career 36.2% and 4 of his 7 seasons had a percentage below TJ's average.

Small sample size and TJ started off super hot, and cooled towards the end of the season, but its not like TJ can't stick it or Chalmers is all world here

Bruh… stop it… just stop.

Mario Chalmers is indeed a 36.2% 3pt shooter over his career but with a sample size of over 1800 3's attempted!!

Tyler Johnson has taken 48 3's over his entire career. A small sample size is an understatement. His 3pt percentage means absolutely nothing. He's made 18 3's… lol.

To put it in perspective if TJ came into a game tired after a bad nights sleep and missed 2 three's instead of making them suddenly he'd be a 33.3% 3pt shooter.

Mario Chalmers is the better and more proven 3 point shooter by far and no argument can be made otherwise based on their stats.

bruh? Keep looking for those and 1's. You just regurgitated exactly what I said. Small sample size. Stop trying to feign such a ridiculous outrage and my post.

Tyler shot 40+ percent in his last two college seasons including 43.2% his final year, 37.5% the year before that. Shot 40+% while in the d-league, shot 37.5% in the NBA. He seems to be a reliable 3 point shooter over the course of the past 3 seasons at various levels. I wouldn't draw the line in the sand of who fills the spot based on Mario Chalmers outstanding 3 point percentage, seeing as TJ has shown to be a capable outside shooter, and Chalmers has looked ordinary in recent times. TJ is young and showing improvement from 3 every season from his stats. Chalmers has regressed.

Gun to my head I take Chalmers 3 point shooting over TJ's next season probably, but I don't ooze confidence that I'm going to have picked right.

[shanedude]

[goodboy]

Never did, never will.

He's a laughable player, literally.

[Chalm Down]

I don't think the Heat FO does, based on the abundance of trade rumors.

I'm a little interested to see how he would play with a smaller role next season, but at the same time, I'd be happy with having TJ become the new back-up point if Rio is traded. The great thing about TJ is that he stays in his lane -- unlike Rio who tries to do too much at times and drives everybody crazy.

Also, that 29% 3-point shooting is a huge red flag. I don't even know how to possibly explain it. Did he just have a terrible down-year or was his good shooting a product of playing with LeBron?

[Bishop45]

, Yea I feel like he isn't a terrible player like some feel but he is always refusing to accept a lesser role and seems not to understand his own shortcomings as a player. He could be really good or he could be really bad, I'm just not sure Heat should take a gamble on it right now

Damb thought there would be more Rio supporters... maybe I should add a pole

[QUIZ]

Also TJ shot 37.5% from three, Chalmers is a career 36.2% and 4 of his 7 seasons had a percentage below TJ's average.

Small sample size and TJ started off super hot, and cooled towards the end of the season, but its not like TJ can't stick it or Chalmers is all world here

Bruh… stop it… just stop.

Mario Chalmers is indeed a 36.2% 3pt shooter over his career but with a sample size of over 1800 3's attempted!!

Tyler Johnson has taken 48 3's over his entire career. A small sample size is an understatement. His 3pt percentage means absolutely nothing. He's made 18 3's… lol.

To put it in perspective if TJ came into a game tired after a bad nights sleep and missed 2 three's instead of making them suddenly he'd be a 33.3% 3pt shooter.

Mario Chalmers is the better and more proven 3 point shooter by far and no argument can be made otherwise based on their stats.

bruh? Keep looking for those and 1's. You just regurgitated exactly what I said. Small sample size. Stop trying to feign such a ridiculous outrage and my post.

Tyler shot 40+ percent in his last two college seasons including 43.2% his final year, 37.5% the year before that. Shot 40+% while in the d-league, shot 37.5% in the NBA. He seems to be a reliable 3 point shooter over the course of the past 3 seasons at various levels. I wouldn't draw the line in the sand of who fills the spot based on Mario Chalmers outstanding 3 point percentage, seeing as TJ has shown to be a capable outside shooter, and Chalmers has looked ordinary in recent times. TJ is young and showing improvement from 3 every season from his stats. Chalmers has regressed.

Gun to my head I take Chalmers 3 point shooting over TJ's next season probably, but I don't ooze confidence that I'm going to have picked right.

It'd be one thing if you simply said that TJ was a promising young 3pt shooter and left it there but you didn't, you instead pointed to his 3pt percentage and said that he shot a better percentage than 4 of Rio's 7 season which is simply an unfair statement because of the laughable sample size.

That was my point and it still stands think whatever you want though. I'm just fishing for and1's after all.

[QUIZ]

I don't think the Heat FO does, based on the abundance of trade rumors.

I'm a little interested to see how he would play with a smaller role next season, but at the same time, I'd be happy with having TJ become the new back-up point if Rio is traded. The great thing about TJ is that he stays in his lane -- unlike Rio who tries to do too much at times and drives everybody crazy.

Also, that 29% 3-point shooting is a huge red flag. I don't even know how to possibly explain it. Did he just have a terrible down-year or was his good shooting a product of playing with LeBron?

He seems to be a better 3pt shooter with his feet set than he is off the dribble. This season he played a lot of different roles for us where he was forced to create for himself and for other. He didn't have LeBron or anyone else setting him up for open shots like before. With that said players don't just drop 10% off their 3pt percentage from the previous season. He's been a good 3pt shooter for most of his career so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Also the FO wanting to get rid of Rio has more to do with tax saving than it does with them believing in TJ imo.

[MartyConlonJr]

Chalmers has shot 32.9% from three in his 3 seasons (almost 800 attempts) that didn't include Lebron so it's not that huge an anomaly, his 29% shooting. He plays better when he has playmakers on the roster at other positions. Maybe McBob can fill that role for this team to get Chalmers the shots he can make. That being said, it felt like he missed a hell of a lot of wide open threes last season. But that may just be scrutinising. Do any of the advanced stats sites show you those types of splits?

I hope Chalmers shows us something either way this season, but I won't lose sleep on getting any of our other guards in that position instead.

[Chalm Down]

Chalmers has shot 32.9% from three in his 3 seasons (almost 800 attempts) that didn't include Lebron so it's not that huge an anomaly, his 29% shooting. He plays better when he has playmakers on the roster at other positions. Maybe McBob can fill that role for this team to get Chalmers the shots he can make. That being said, it felt like he missed a hell of a lot of wide open threes last season. But that may just be scrutinising. Do any of the advanced stats sites show you those types of splits?

I hope Chalmers shows us something either way this season, but I won't lose sleep on getting any of our other guards in that position instead.

Player tracking on nba.com is awesome, it has all kinds of interesting stats.

Apparently, Chalmers was 108th among 157 players in "wide open" (6ft+ between closest defender) 3-point shooting percentage, with a minimum of 1 "wide open" 3-point shot attempted per game. Chalmers shot 35.6% on 1.3 wide open attempts per game.

For some comparison,

-Deng shot 37.1% on 1.3 wide open attempts

-Bosh shot 42.0% on 1.8 wide open attempts

-Walker shot 48.8% (top 10 in the league LOLOLOL) on 1.8 wide open attempts

[QUIZ]

Player tracking on nba.com is awesome, it has all kinds of interesting stats.

Apparently, Chalmers was 108th among 157 players in "wide open" (6ft+ between closest defender) 3-point shooting percentage, with a minimum of 1 "wide open" 3-point shot attempted per game. Chalmers shot 35.6% on 1.3 wide open attempts per game.

For some comparison,

-Deng shot 37.1% on 1.3 wide open attempts

-Bosh shot 42.0% on 1.8 wide open attempts

-Walker shot 48.8% (top 10 in the league LOLOLOL) on 1.8 wide open attempts

Thanks for the site Chalm.

As I suspected Rio was 38% on catch and shoot 3's 0.8/2.2 attempts He shot only 10.3% when pulling up for 3 off the dribble 0.1/0.9 attempts.

He was 37% on 3's with 0 dribbles taken. 18% after 1 dribble and 10% after 2 dribbles so basically Rio cannot shoot off the dribble he needs someone to set him up.

Thats something that Spo seriously needs to look at if we keep Rio. He needs to be moved off ball where he can be more effective.

[3ballbomber]

We'll be stuck w/ him until we can dump him. The fact we've been trying to rid of him & no team is interested says it all. One thing is for certain.....he will give 200% of himself this season out of anger & spite, wich is good for us. He may end up playing well and then we can dump him at trade deadline